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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #120 on Jun 21, 2011, 12:32pm »
Thanks :)

They are what I expected
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #121 on Jun 22, 2011, 3:12am »
Yup, no real surprises there.

I may expand the simulation forone o r two guns and produce plots showing where each individual shot in a burst is likely to go. Think I will choose the Galil V AK47, as this covers 4 guns (and looks as if the Famas may get a nerf).
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #122 on Jun 26, 2011, 7:25pm »
Recently I have been using the Galil. Normally I never use the Galil/ Enfield but the AK and Commando are some of my favorite weapons.
Even though the stats say Galil/ Enfield the will recenter perfectly more, I am more accurate with long-range 2/3-round-bursts of the AK/ Commando.
This makes sense because the majority of my shots land in the abdomen/ crotch area. So with vertical recoil, subsequent shots will continue hitting the body. But the recoil to the right will pull my crosshairs off the enemy and make me miss.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #123 on Jun 27, 2011, 10:35am »
I too get on better with the AK, but for absolute accuracy whilst longshotting in 2 round bursts the Galil is marginally the better choice. I am talking about serious longshotting here; "taking out snipers on the Array mast" longshotting.

For longer bursts (3-4), the AK/Commando are better, or for really long bursts at stationary targets, the Skorpion (yes, it really does work!)
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #124 on Jul 13, 2011, 4:33am »
I dont know if this is too much to ask for, butI have some more requests if you wouldnt mind simulating them.

- Skorpion [w/ Grip. w/ RF. w/ Grip+RF]
- MPL [w/ Grip. w/ RF. w/ Grip+RF]

If you dont want to or cant, no biggy. Thanks for all you've done already.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #125 on Jul 13, 2011, 6:38am »
RPK + ACOG pretty please?
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #126 on Jul 13, 2011, 11:42am »

Jul 13, 2011, 4:33am, asasa wrote:
I dont know if this is too much to ask for, butI have some more requests if you wouldnt mind simulating them.

- Skorpion [w/ Grip. w/ RF. w/ Grip+RF]
- MPL [w/ Grip. w/ RF. w/ Grip+RF]

If you dont want to or cant, no biggy. Thanks for all you've done already.

Will do asasa; away from home a lot lately on business so plenty of time stuck in hotel rooms in the evening.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #127 on Jul 13, 2011, 11:46am »

Jul 13, 2011, 6:38am, kirbyderby wrote:
RPK + ACOG pretty please?

So you want a laugh. Or are you a masochist?

Will get it done, maybe in a few hours time.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #128 on Jul 13, 2011, 4:25pm »
Skorpion with various attachments.

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MPL to follow.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #129 on Jul 13, 2011, 4:31pm »
WOW look at that gripped skorpion..

RF actually seems to have a substantial effect on its recoil as well, which is disappointing.

Thanks.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #130 on Jul 13, 2011, 4:37pm »
Now the MPL + attachments. I haven't bothered with ACOG.

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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #131 on Jul 13, 2011, 4:47pm »
Hope you are ready for this, kirbyderby !

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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #132 on Jul 13, 2011, 5:07pm »

Jul 13, 2011, 4:31pm, asasa wrote:
WOW look at that gripped skorpion..

RF actually seems to have a substantial effect on its recoil as well, which is disappointing.

Thanks.

Yes, grip just a straight line. Not a huge effect upon percentage of shots recentered though, which is why I don't waste the attachment slot on grip (emags instead).

Never got on well with RF, all too easy to burn off the small clip, and longshotting compromised.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #133 on Jul 13, 2011, 5:09pm »
K, that needs a name.

'Piece De Resistance' or
'Paint The Sky' or
'WTF do you expect me to do with this garbage'

all fit
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #134 on Jul 13, 2011, 5:14pm »
Anti Aircraft gun
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #135 on Jul 13, 2011, 7:03pm »
Neo-ACR?
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #136 on Jul 13, 2011, 9:46pm »
Yeah, you know what they say about the RPK ACOG: that gun's a laser!

Anyone who longshots with this thing deserves a medal.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #137 on Jul 13, 2011, 10:37pm »
Apparently Raging Amish is comfortable with the RPK's recoil...

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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #138 on Jul 14, 2011, 12:34am »

Jul 13, 2011, 4:47pm, psijaka wrote:
Hope you are ready for this, kirbyderby !

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LOL


And the green dots are just the 2nd and 3rd shots? Well gosh darn golly gee whiz, no wonder I have to single-shot the gosh darn golly gee whiz thing. Even then it shoots slower than a gosh darn golly gee whiz M14...
I only use it on my strela class anyway.

Thanks for the chart.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #139 on Jul 14, 2011, 12:48am »

Jul 13, 2011, 4:47pm, psijaka wrote:
Hope you are ready for this, kirbyderby !

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LOL


I'm gonna go try that right now.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #140 on Jul 14, 2011, 1:38am »

Jul 14, 2011, 12:34am, kirbyderby wrote:

Jul 13, 2011, 4:47pm, psijaka wrote:
Hope you are ready for this, kirbyderby !

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And the green dots are just the 2nd and 3rd shots? Well gosh darn golly gee whiz, no wonder I have to single-shot the gosh darn golly gee whiz thing. Even then it shoots slower than a gosh darn golly gee whiz M14...
I only use it on my strela class anyway.

Thanks for the chart.

No bother. Yes; green = shots 2 and 3; blue = shots 4 to 10.

Note how ZERO blue shots are recentered.

I wouldn't totally despise this setup for longsotting though, as long as you fire in single shots. It still does 40 damage at range and you get more ammo than the HK21 and Stoner.

But why bother when you can ride the Pig?
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #141 on Jul 14, 2011, 1:51am »

Jul 13, 2011, 10:37pm, phale wrote:
Apparently Raging Amish is comfortable with the RPK's recoil...


He's not too keen on the ACOG though [/understatement]

edit - I knew that hip accuracy of the HK21 & RPK were good, but hadn't actually realised that they were slightly better than the ARs. WTF Treyarch?
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #142 on Jul 14, 2011, 2:57am »

Jul 14, 2011, 1:38am, psijaka wrote:

Jul 14, 2011, 12:34am, kirbyderby wrote:


And the green dots are just the 2nd and 3rd shots? Well gosh darn golly gee whiz, no wonder I have to single-shot the gosh darn golly gee whiz thing. Even then it shoots slower than a gosh darn golly gee whiz M14...
I only use it on my strela class anyway.

Thanks for the chart.

No bother. Yes; green = shots 2 and 3; blue = shots 4 to 10.

Note how ZERO blue shots are recentered.

I wouldn't totally despise this setup for longsotting though, as long as you fire in single shots. It still does 40 damage at range and you get more ammo than the HK21 and Stoner.

But why bother when you can ride the Pig?


Yeah, it didn't work. I was better off with an ASP.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #143 on Jul 14, 2011, 3:30am »
Actually, I don't do so bad with the RPK when I don't have an ACOG on it. It's a pretty good Steady Aim sprayer if you don't mind moving slow.

And I definitely get a good few headshots with it.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #144 on Jul 14, 2011, 3:56pm »
You know, I might just take up the RPK challenge, once I have finished my Skorpion Prestige.

Although there is no way that I would use ACOG + RPK; iron sights with emags for me.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #145 on Jul 14, 2011, 6:10pm »
I'm currently on the RPK right now (trying to get at least 550+ kills with all weapons). And it's frustrating. Sometimes I'll do ok, with maybe a 2 KD. Other times it's hell, not being able to do anything. The one thing that the RPK is not, is consistent. And that's what I don't like. I want a weapon that works with me, not against me. There is essentially nothing the RPK does better than ARs. Nothing. You have a barely noticeable hipfire advantage against them (but only when you are not moving), which the higher mobility of the ARs easily trumps. "But wait!", you might say, "what about the lack of damage drop off? Surely that counts for something at long range?" Nope. The recoil is so high, even when you burst fire, you'll be off target and the guy with the AR will kill you even though it takes him an extra bullet.

There is nothing that the RPK is decent at.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #146 on Jul 15, 2011, 1:56am »
RPK certainly looks like a challenging weapon, but I am going to give it a serious go. Mastering this gun Is, I suspect, all about getting used to the strong upwards recoil.

On the plus side, the gun has 80 rounds with emags (the only sensible choice, IMO), and with the Wii, you get double total ammo as well (as it should be, IMO). 80 rounds means that I can just spray and spray and spray, and I intend to take advantage of that!

The answer to longshotting recoil is to single shot, as there is virtually zero chance that the 2nd and 3rd shots will be on target (7% and 3% respectively).

Medium range is all about compensating for the recoil, I suspect.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #147 on Jul 15, 2011, 4:38am »
Actually, burst firing the RPK is pretty feasible. full auto close range, 3-burst mid range, 2-burst long range.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #148 on Jul 15, 2011, 7:03pm »
Thanks for the MPL ones.

Now, last one, I promise [maybe?]

FAL @ 7/8 shots per second. I think thats about what I shoot at. It seems that it is overly accurate in some bursts and other times just goes crazy.
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Re: Black Ops Recoil Chart and Plots (11 May 2011)
« Reply #149 on Jul 16, 2011, 7:51am »
Will do asasa. Will choose fire times of 0.125 & 0.140. May also do comparable plots for M14, with and without grip.

And no need to promise that this will be your last, it is no bother at all, just copying and pasting numbers into my spreadsheet. And the results are interesting.
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