When you hear talk about people grouping up in a 'party'....a group of six, seven, eight or nine...whatever it may be, there are some misconceptions going on.
Today I played some games with a party of seven to eight people on Ground War Domination. Six of the eight people had never played before. So in essence, when we joined up into the lobbies....we weren't really any different from the other group of nine players we were opposing. We were eight people who just grouped up...no different from the nine opponents who grouped up. We won like ten straight games.
While there are many reasons we won .......one reason that can be stricken off the list was because we were "IN A GROUP'. As said, our group was recently just as 'randomized' as the opponents. I think there is a huge misconception with people. It's not the 'grouping' that helps win games....like just forming a party gives an auto win. It's the communication that goes on by the players inside the group, and playing the right way, ...that wins the games. There is a difference.
LOL, that's exactly what I said to you, but you were too busy with the knee jerk "you are so wrong" reaction to see it.
On PC, a party of 3 decent players wins every game any objective game mode if against randoms (6vs6), so "GG case" is non existent.
Sorry, but that comes across as some big time bluster.
A party of three 'decent' players is NOT going to win EVERY objective game they play. Especially in 6 v 6. No way. No chance. Not going to happen. It's impossible. I'm not even sure why you would go that route. That's absurd.
If that is the reason you feel my point was negated, ...why it's irrelevant what green guys do ...because 3 'decent' guys will always win EVERY single game they play....you failed there with your point.
Well, Of course, every rule has some exceptions, it is not math.
I oversimplified with "EVERY" of course, I agree... Just to emphasize how strong any cooperating team is.
1. Do you have any pictures to upload that show the "spawn trap front lines"?
2. Do you have your own "maps" with streets/building own names to communicate what is going on? Examples below:
LOL, that's exactly what I said to you, but you were too busy with the knee jerk "you are so wrong" reaction to see it.
'LOL"? What are you, a comedian?
Hopefully you can take a moment and stop laughing at your own jokes. It is you who are missing the point with my example. I'm looking at your earlier post right now. What you tried to say before was that if a group of people start playing a game: - they talk, communicate, try to work strategies, work as a 'team'.....you tried to say before that they are NOT being 'skilled'. That's bs.
Having the ability to communicate, use your headset, be open-minded enough to work with people....IS SKILL. That's part of the game and part of being skilled at the game. Your idea that skill is only comprised with how fast your finger can bang the controller buttons based on what's on the TV screen is patently wrong.
Again....talking, communicating....that IS being skilled at this game. That's what most teenage twinkies and other lone wolf players don't get. They think just because they can run around fast twitching their controllers to a 38-10 KD ratio during a game, that makes them a great objective game player, one who is SKILLED. The reality is, objective games are about winning the Objective....not about 'SEE WHO GETS THE HIGHEST KD'. And if these clown players don't communicate, don't involve their teammates, play for themselves, don't even try to work together, only use the teammates as meat shields, .....they aren't that skilled. Period.
Here's your earlier post:
^^ You missed the whole point, it's not about player skill what so ever, when you have a team, you talk, you coordinates, you play as a team not as 6 players. I'd say 6 pub players who are all better than the other team can get crushed against a full party. The advantage is not in skills but in communication and willingness to corporate."
You have a very limited comprehension of what 'skill' is.
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #123 on Feb 21, 2012, 8:42am »
LOL, sorry but you love to disagree with other people so much, it really is funny.
This is what you said.
"Six of the eight people had never played before. So in essence, when we joined up into the lobbies....we weren't really any different from the other group of nine players we were opposing."
Now after my post, you just HAVE TO disagree with me so you said this.
"Having the ability to communicate, use your headset, be open-minded enough to work with people....IS SKILL. "
So which is which? First one says you are no different from other the other group. Now you are changing it to you have some skills that the other group doesn't have, just so you can disagree with me...
^^ You missed the whole point, it's not about player skill what so ever, when you have a team, you talk, you coordinates, you play as a team not as 6 players. I'd say 6 pub players who are all better than the other team can get crushed against a full party. The advantage is not in skills but in communication and willingness to corporate."
You have a very limited comprehension of what 'skill' is.
Now to address this, there is a difference in willing and able.
How do ...the egocentric, seriously obsessed, ultra competitive, strategic team-based patient campers, who foolishly went into an objective game without a full squad of dependable role players... handle the dreaded 'Green Guy'", and the answer to that question is simple... factor in the expected and unexpected, adjust your game-play accordingly and conquer. There, the topic is now settled.
LOL, sorry but you love to disagree with other people so much, it really is funny.
I guess that's good you find things funny. But perhaps you are substituting humor in for yourself, because you don't understand the point people are making?
How do ...the egocentric, seriously obsessed, ultra competitive, strategic team-based patient campers, who foolishly went into an objective game without a full squad of dependable role players... handle the dreaded 'Green Guy'", and the answer to that question is simple... factor in the expected and unexpected, adjust your game-play accordingly and conquer. There, the topic is now settled.
^This. Nice post.
All very well and good....but the point was to get a fun discussion going on how to handle the guy. Different takes, views, and get a different type of topic going. Maybe get some people's views. Maybe see something else interesting pop up. A discussion, know what that is? Do you understand that? The point of the post was NEVER to have you and the above guy post..."this is dumb, it's obvious, it's settled, move on". Then we all just stop, because you two superstar Jesus Christ CoD players spoke 'the truth'
If this whole board operated on your above premise...there would no longer be any more posts. As do we need to discuss for the 27th time shotgun pellets? Or the 61st time what guns are overpowered? Or the 112th time, how to make the perks bettter? Or the 276th time range dropoff?
So as it is, lets cut to the chase. Get to the point of the REAL meaning of the above post. It would appear both you and lantern are a bit pissy about people playing to win. Why is that? Should we divert the topic to address your issues with that?
LOL, sorry but you love to disagree with other people so much, it really is funny.
I guess that's good you find things funny. But perhaps you are substituting humor in for yourself, because you don't understand the point people are making?
Wonder why u just ignore the part where I point out you are contracting yourself?
So your team "weren't really any different from the other group of nine players we were opposing" OR you have this skill that they don't have:"Having the ability to communicate, use your headset, be open-minded enough to work with people....IS SKILL. "
Which is which? I really wouldn't able to understand someone who is contracting himself.
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #129 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:47am »
You are missing the point.
I was addressing some people in the post, ...where there 'seems' to be a misconception that just because a group of people 'group up'....that they will automatically win. It's easy to win, just because you formed a 'group' That's not always true. A 'group' does not automatically win....just because it's a 'group'. Get it? If one guy gets a friend, who gets a friend, who gets one...then you later get eight people...your group really isn't any different from the 'group' that IW matchmaking process fills up in the lobby as your opponent. Both are 'groups' of people who don't know each other. That was my point (which sailed over your head, and made you pissy)
What makes a difference is what the group DOES, once the game starts. What do the individuals in those group do. Do they work together? Not together? Communicate or play alone? Share spots or kill-whore? And all those things....they are ALL part of the heading of 'SKILL'. Those are all things that are part of being a 'skilled' player. Being skilled (i say that knowing this is just a silly video game) is comprised of more than just fast twitching/jamming your controller and getting a high KD.
And saying "I am able to, but just not willing'. (paraphrasing your earlier line)...well, maybe or maybe not. That comes across as saying something like "I could make $350,000 a year in income, but i don't want to".....
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #130 on Feb 21, 2012, 11:20am »
^^^ .... u still have not answer the question.... but I will let it go.
Now to answer yours, the guy IS making 350,000... in another company. When he is in his party with his friends, he will do it. But in a random pub match? Maybe he does decide to go for a high K/D.
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #133 on Feb 21, 2012, 5:36pm »
For me:
TDM: We need 2 decent players (>2k/d) and 2 average players (>1kd) to always win. With 3 you always get a 0-19 riot shield retard and his split screen wacky guy friend. Dom: We need 3 decent domination players to always win. We play parties of 6 all the time with 3 randoms on our team and beast them, in fact they almost always quit before we get 50 points. The funniest game I ever played was when the three randoms camped B & C on Interchange while us 3 spawntrapped A (well, they just didn't leave A) so we had me something like 60-5, my two mates had 40/50 kills a single digit deaths and the three randoms were like 1-1, 1-0 at the end of the game. HQ: Due to the higher number of parties of decent players I find that we need at least 5 of our team playing. SnD: Just need me
edit: I understand that, in Domination, if my party of 3 came up against a team of our twins (i.e 6 of them) then we would lose. I have never come against a cohesive unit like this though, the closest matches are always against good players in parties of 3. In MW3 it's so easy to capture a point and hold it though, the maps are rarely conducive to flowing matches.
Sorry if your braindead ! your so funny, so you think triple caping is bad ! ahhhhh so if i were to play against you to show you got no gunskill and are just a terrible not smart player. Eventualy my party would get A and B, now you think because we would go for C we would insta loose ? If you defend and we don't get C, we still push you back keep you on defensive away from our 2 capture point, likely giving you doo-doo spawn. And if we get it, so your triple caped loosing many points. So now you spawn on the other side of the map and have to capture a new hhome flag... I wonder who win here. My nadespot are sick you and you got to capture a new homeflag, you loose
1. It's 'you're'....not 'your' 2. It's 'you have'....not 'you got' 3. 'terrible not smart player' is phrased wrong 4. 'Eventualy' should be spelled 'Eventually' 5. 'insta loose?'.....i think you meant 'instantly lose' 6. It should be 'losing' not 'loosing' 7. It should be 'who wins here'....not 'who win here' 8. 'My nadespot are sick you' ...this is a trainwreck of grammar 9. 'you loose' should be 'you lose'
ps.....and one last point. Triple Capping isn't 'bad'. You are free to play how you feel is best. The whole original point is that it is just not the most effective way to win the game. And that is 100% correct.
HOW MANY LANGUAGE DO YOU Foxtrotting SPEAK IDIOT stupid americain think everybody learned english language at birth
Oh yeah, I am sure american girl love my accent then your Foxtrotting stiff language but thanks for trying to improve my vocabulary, now go buy brain
Go Foxtrotting watch mlg game if you Foxtrotting triple caping is bad, stupid ignorant looser. Now imagine if mlg would be insta respawn like pub , it just got a lot more agressive ! You don't know how bad i would crush you. It would not be even close
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #139 on Feb 22, 2012, 2:50am »
Honestly, I don't have a problem. I have never had a random cost me a game by running into to capture the third point. I find that if it is more likely some other flaw in either my or my teams strategy, decision, etc. that caused the loss. Rather than blaming one random blame yourself and your teamates, because to be honest one guy be costing you a game that you should have won to begin with.
Also I rarely post, but isn't this thread more of a hey, guy thread?
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #140 on Feb 22, 2012, 1:44pm »
Wait... Let me get this straight:
You spawntrap, and rage because someone doesn't exploit the bad maps and spawnsystem?
All of my rage..!
Not against the green guy, but against the pro wannabes...
And the map designers...
Especially the map designers.
More clutter = More reason to camp and more successful chance of tactical loitering = More spawntrapping because people have no idea where they or the enemy is on each respawn, while those who trap and camp know exactly where the enemies spawn every time.
...
Edit: On the other hand, large scale tactical loitering DOES provide your team with predictability of enemy spawns, making it a good idea.
... And I thought I had spent all of my rage already - but alas, no! WHO IN THE NAME OF THE SEVEN HELLS DECIDED THAT CHINATOWN WAS THE BEST MAP EVER AND THAT EVERY MAP SHOULD BE BASED ON CHINATOWN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Honestly, I don't have a problem. I have never had a random cost me a game by running into to capture the third point. I find that if it is more likely some other flaw in either my or my teams strategy, decision, etc. that caused the loss. Rather than blaming one random blame yourself and your teamates, because to be honest one guy be costing you a game that you should have won to begin with.
Also I rarely post, but isn't this thread more of a hey, guy thread?
The original point made, was never about a green guy COSTING anyone a game, or blaming him for a loss. Go look. The original point was just about how he wrecks the spawn situation...AND...how best to get him to work with your team, rather than against. I appreciate the comments, but you are arguing and addressing a point that was never made. Where did I or anyone else say..."Hey Green Guy, you caused us to lose!!!"
parapapa's GT is lesbian Steeve, he's posted it on here before.
He is legit and an absolute beastly domination player. I hate people who play like he does they just don't back down
On a side note, Wetwork was Foxtrotting amazing, why can't they bring that back?
Are you serious? I have played against a Lesbian Steve before (or some name like that, how many can there be). He's a blatant dashboarder. That is confirmed.
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #145 on Feb 22, 2012, 5:37pm »
Yeah I think you mentioned that before and were mistaken, I looked through his 10 day game history and found no dashboards. 74% win percentage suggests otherwise too.
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #146 on Feb 22, 2012, 5:50pm »
Don't get me wrong, being a good player in no way excuses him for being coming off as a pompous, irate, semi-literate buffoon; I was just curious as to whether or not he could back up his jive.
Re: How do people handle the dreaded 'Green Guy' « Reply #148 on Feb 22, 2012, 6:06pm »
I know dozens of folks for whom English was a second language, and not one of them has shown such a blatant disregard for basic etiquette as this guy. English not being one's first language is no excuse for being an ass.
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