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Shotgun will not be buffed a second time!
« Thread Started on Apr 30, 2012, 10:47pm »
Quote from Ghandi:


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As promised I followed up with the MP design team on a number of weapon and game balance issues today:

Shotguns will remain at their current settings.

We shall begin testing of new Dragunov stats that buff the weapon but do not brerak the intra sniper class balance.

The radius of Dead Man's Hand efficacy will be reduced.

I'll update this forum wiith details and ETAs when I receive them from the team.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II


Oh well. He got my hopes up.
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Re: Shotgun will not be buffed a second time!
« Reply #1 on Apr 30, 2012, 11:28pm »

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We shall begin testing of new Dragunov stats that buff the weapon but do not brerak the intra sniper class balance.

The radius of Dead Man's Hand efficacy will be reduced.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II


Well, definitely better than nothing. Good thing I'm already good at chest-shooting with the suppressed MSR.
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« Reply #2 on Apr 30, 2012, 11:34pm »
Well, at least Arcanine will be happy =)
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« Reply #3 on Apr 30, 2012, 11:38pm »
How much do we fave to Foxtrotting complain and whine and provide proof that Shotguns are horrible before they decide to buff them? I feel bad for Brick, he tries so hard, gets plenty of support for a shotgun buff, and then ONE Foxtrotting what what shows up and says shotguns are OP.
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« Reply #4 on Apr 30, 2012, 11:47pm »
Even though shotguns aren't going to be buffed I am glad that Arcanine finally got someone to consider his buff. Got a question though. Should we tell them how to buff it or hope they get it right on their own? I'd hate for it to turn into the same thing as the shotgun nerf.
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« Reply #5 on Apr 30, 2012, 11:55pm »

Apr 30, 2012, 11:47pm, cmck wrote:
Even though shotguns aren't going to be buffed I am glad that Arcanine finally got someone to consider his buff. Got a question though. Should we tell them how to buff it or hope they get it right on their own? I'd hate for it to turn into the same thing as the shotgun nerf.


We should probably ask politely what they are considering to change about the Dragunov first. It is IW, so chances are they won't get it right the 5th try. But we should most definitely try to guide them the right way.
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« Reply #6 on May 1, 2012, 12:01am »
At the most, I'm hoping the Dragunov would OHK to the chest -- with a suppressor. :3

Rather unlikely, though...
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« Reply #7 on May 1, 2012, 12:27am »
SVD:
98 damage (70 suppressed)
2.0 head and neck
1.5 chest
1.0 stomach and limbs

But plain 98 damage with the current 1.1 chest multiplier will suffice...
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« Reply #9 on May 1, 2012, 2:14am »
They'll buff the Dragunov by increasing its damage to 90 and call it good.
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« Reply #10 on May 1, 2012, 2:15am »
They will buff those weapons. I have some film clips tonight that really drive home the point.
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« Reply #11 on May 1, 2012, 3:30am »
Hey brick, what was that glitch you were talking about in the official forums?
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« Reply #12 on May 1, 2012, 3:34am »
Brick, I like you
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Re: Shotgun will not be buffed a second time!
« Reply #13 on May 1, 2012, 7:47am »
The most important information there is the DMH reduction in radius, I just hope they don't do half measures, I'm already barely playing this game anymore...
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« Reply #14 on May 1, 2012, 8:55am »
Are they kidding me? Fix. the Foxtrotting. aa12.
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« Reply #15 on May 1, 2012, 9:20am »
They are JUST NOW realizing that DMH is far too powerful?

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« Reply #16 on May 1, 2012, 9:31am »
Why can't they at least make them more consistent by reducing ADS spread?
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« Reply #17 on May 1, 2012, 12:01pm »
I think you're all forgetting that the AA-12 is full auto therefore OP and they can't buff the 1887 or it will be as good as the MW2 pre-patch Brokimbo 1887 even thought the 1887 can't use attachments in MW3.
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« Reply #18 on May 1, 2012, 12:41pm »
I know that we have a lot of shotty-loving bros on this board, but I would like to point out that based on my impression the COD playing community in general prefer shotty to not be too powerful. Where does this impression come from? The "colorful" comments I hear in game when a shotty player is running around.

The shotty buff they made can also be considered as a Striker nerf in disguise. Even after the nerf, the Striker is still the most preferred shotty and one of the most "colorfully commented" weapon in game.

There is a fine line around the boundary of shotty powerfulness that can be considered acceptable to the whole community. They consider it under control right now and will not risk breaking it. I believe that is the underlying reason behind their decision.

I also have a noob question: could the shotty's inconsistent performance caused by lag or lag compensation?
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« Reply #19 on May 1, 2012, 12:48pm »
Before the patch, the SPAS-12 with extended mag fired 12 pellets. Nobody complained about it being overpowered. It doesn't make sense not to buff the manual-action shotguns.
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« Reply #20 on May 1, 2012, 2:16pm »

Apr 30, 2012, 11:38pm, Killerpuffball wrote:
How much do we fave to Foxtrotting complain and whine and provide proof that Shotguns are horrible before they decide to buff them? I feel bad for Brick, he tries so hard, gets plenty of support for a shotgun buff, and then ONE Foxtrotting what what shows up and says shotguns are OP.


I know, right? Me, Brick, and others really had Ghandi thinking about Shotguns. Then one one idiot named oCool0 comes in and says the Model can kill across the map in one hit consistently. Whats really sad is that Ghandi agreed with him, despite not one piece of evidence of the Model ever doing that.
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« Reply #21 on May 1, 2012, 5:15pm »

May 1, 2012, 2:16pm, MoopusMaximus wrote:

Apr 30, 2012, 11:38pm, Killerpuffball wrote:
How much do we fave to Foxtrotting complain and whine and provide proof that Shotguns are horrible before they decide to buff them? I feel bad for Brick, he tries so hard, gets plenty of support for a shotgun buff, and then ONE Foxtrotting what what shows up and says shotguns are OP.


I know, right? Me, Brick, and others really had Ghandi thinking about Shotguns. Then one one idiot named oCool0 comes in and says the Model can kill across the map in one hit consistently. Whats really sad is that Ghandi agreed with him, despite not one piece of evidence of the Model ever doing that.


That pretty much confirms to me that IW know Shotguns are terrible. And IW WANTS them to suck.

By the way Brick, let us know how the glitch turned out with GHANDI.
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« Reply #22 on May 1, 2012, 11:02pm »
YESSSS, FINALLY! I guess me reminding them a few days ago, finally made them consider to patch the Dragunov!
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Hopefully you guys are able to get your shotgun patch!

For some ****ing reason though, I can't post again in the callofdutyboards with my arcanine2013 account. Its asking me to link up an account to x-box live or PSN.. I don't have EITHER (well bro has PSN).. gosh darn golly gee whiz it, don't tell me I have to make a new account.. Or. is there a way I can bypass this, without having to link xbox/psn account?
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« Reply #23 on May 1, 2012, 11:29pm »
Oh the AA-12, the only gun in CoD history that needs 5 perks just to be usable.
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« Reply #24 on May 1, 2012, 11:36pm »
Anyone wanna post on the callofduty patch board and remind Ghandi to increase the base damage from 70 to 98 (and silencer damage from 50 to 90)?
http://community.activision.com/thread/100584619?start=8730&tstart=0

Could have sworn there was something else I forgot to say also..



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« Reply #25 on May 1, 2012, 11:47pm »

May 1, 2012, 12:27am, ragnarok wrote:
SVD:
98 damage (70 suppressed)
2.0 head and neck
1.5 chest
1.0 stomach and limbs

But plain 98 damage with the current 1.1 chest multiplier will suffice...


Is there really a need to have 2X multipliers for head and neck, if its going to OSOK with 98/70 silenced damage anyway? 1.5X chest with 98//70 damage will give the barret a run for its money, and outclass every other sniper rifle with silencer attachment.
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« Reply #26 on May 1, 2012, 11:47pm »
Pen'tration brah!! Also might effect Ballistic Vests.
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« Reply #27 on May 2, 2012, 12:47am »
Really feels bad getting shot down like that. Those couple days where I got to run around with ext. mags spas will be sorely missed. They might have ignored it if it didn't make the striker mad good.

This dragunov patch probably isn't going to hit PC for at least a month considering we still haven't gotten the akimbo or lmg patches...
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« Reply #28 on May 2, 2012, 2:10am »

May 1, 2012, 11:47pm, asasa wrote:
Pen'tration brah!! Also might effect Ballistic Vests.


Yeah, I know through walls at least..

Why don't you mention it?

http://www.callofduty.com/message/205596621#205596621


Oh and I brought up buffing the L118A, MP412 and PM9. I doubt they will get looked at..

However my most important concern now--which I think we should all be looking at (besides shotguns), is buffing the minimum range damage of the handguns. Non magnum/deagles should 5 shot kill, and deagle/magnums should 3 shot kill.

So raise min damage from 17 to 20 and 17/25 to 34.

I need support though guys... I feel bad enough as it is making my last post about balancing said weapons. >_>
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« Reply #29 on May 2, 2012, 2:16am »
Don't need to make the revolvers-Deagle have 34 damage, make it 31 and if the guy is accurate enough, the multipliers will take care of it. IMO, it's enough so the devs don't whine about it. Also, I don't believe the L118A3 needs a buff, it is a good weapon, the MSR is just better. It could use some help (less sway, upper arm/shoulder 1.1 multiplier), sure, but it's not necessary.
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