Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #90 on May 24, 2012, 4:57pm »
Sorry. Modded controllers are kind of a troll thing to me. Lets make the p99 akimbo into fmgs. Turn the semi snipers into huge recoil OSK assault rifles. For the more realistic things I view mashing the button at max speed to be detrimental to your aim while having max speed holding the button to be the same as an automatic weapon. It makes it easier to aim it and most likely someone using a modded controller can't fire it at its fastest fire rate anyway. Its like taking the skill out of using a semi.
I'm taking about the really high rpm weapons. The plain mk14 or a usp I could see being maxed often enough, but the p99 is crazy fast and not everyone should be able to do that.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #92 on May 24, 2012, 5:05pm »
Wouldn't the higher fire rate be better for a modded controller? Or is a single 5-7 better than the p99, but akimbo p99s are better than akimbo 5-7s with a modded controller?
Wouldn't the higher fire rate be better for a modded controller? Or is a single 5-7 better than the p99, but akimbo p99s are better than akimbo 5-7s with a modded controller?
It's all a matter of perspective. Akimbo 5-7's can reload in 0.1 sec, so you can use Scavenger all the way. Singles have less rof (1000 instead of 1200) but are very accurate (and have a doo-doo lot of ammo).
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #95 on May 24, 2012, 5:56pm »
Then yeah, if you want it to be really the best, the P99 is there for you. Also 1 shot + a Headshot with that fella is a kill (pretty much the same as the G18)
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #96 on May 24, 2012, 8:43pm »
This is ridiculous. What does TB have lobbyist at Activision headquarters? For all intensive purposes the guy who doesn't want to drop cash on accessories is screwed. You can make excuses like SRP takes time to get (has nothing to do with anything), that any decent player has headphones (again, has nothing to do with anything and is flat wrong) or that you can crouch (is a total copout) but it still doesn't change the fact that an already cheap tactic has become even more cheap.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #97 on May 24, 2012, 10:04pm »
I never took crouching seriously either. Now that I know it can't be heard no matter what I'm slightly less angry with headsets, but still pissed how there are useless perks in the game. Maybe they should change the description of DS so people know it can only fool idiots and the unobservant now.
I never took crouching seriously either. Now that I know it can't be heard no matter what I'm slightly less angry with headsets, but still pissed how there are useless perks in the game. Maybe they should change the description of DS so people know it can only fool idiots and the unobservant now.
Talk about an overreaction.
DS isn't a useless perk by any means, simply that it gets countered by SRP and the incredibly small percentage of people who have headsets/headphones which are good enough to hear you regardless.
Let's not try to suggest that audiophile level headphones, and $300 headsets are the 'norm' because they just aren't.
I see way more players using Stalker and Steady Aim than I do either Sit Rep or Dead Silence, and so do virtually all other players I've spoken to about that tier. My own experiences put Stalker usage at close to 50-55%, with Steady Aim on another 20-30% which suggests that maybe 5-10% of people are running Sit Rep, so out of a normal 12 man game you'd expect to see 1 (at most 2) running Sit Rep - and one or both could be on your side.
Pretty good odds for a DS user if you ask me. Don't forget that anyone not running SRP or using good audio equipment won't be able to handle DS, so even if we were fairly generous - 75% of the people you play against don't have an active counter to DS - this certainly doesn't make it 'useless'...
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #99 on May 25, 2012, 3:46am »
See I do it slightly differently. There is a 100% chance when I use DS there is someone listening to me. I only switch to it when there is someone doing it. The problem is that when I switch now there is no sure way to know if it did anything practical.
And I've been noticing a lot more sitreps lately. Its almost as if people actually follow youtube's advice. The whole community claims to hate tactical loitering, but what does youtube do, put up tactical loitering spot vids. Great job on discouraging it guys.
Your arguement that "its unfair cause sound is like a radar". well yes that's apparently how sound works. Its how i know which room the cordless phone is in when it starts ringing. You're complaining about the very nature of sound itself and how 2 human ears work to locate it. it comes froma source u can locate that source. Sorry the game is not unfair in that way. You are a player lacking in the proper equipment and blaming the game for it/expecting people to adjust the game for your lack of proper equipment.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #101 on May 25, 2012, 10:53am »
I'll post a video here later of a game of mine, using Sitrep and Recon on some guys using anything other than DS. I guarantee you that DS would have saved them a lot.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #102 on May 25, 2012, 1:46pm »
What's proper equipment again? Where is the dividing line between improper and proper equipment?
It would be different if this were actually war and your life depended on it. As it is, this game is for fun and/or to compete. Having something the majority of players don't not only ruins fun (for all the people you destroy) and makes the game even more noncompetitive.
All I know is that soundwhores stats mean absolutely nothing. It's like being proud you beat deaf people in musical chairs.
I see way more players using Stalker and Steady Aim than I do either Sit Rep or Dead Silence, and so do virtually all other players I've spoken to about that tier. My own experiences put Stalker usage at close to 50-55%, with Steady Aim on another 20-30% which suggests that maybe 5-10% of people are running Sit Rep, so out of a normal 12 man game you'd expect to see 1 (at most 2) running Sit Rep - and one or both could be on your side.
Pretty good odds for a DS user if you ask me. Don't forget that anyone not running SRP or using good audio equipment won't be able to handle DS, so even if we were fairly generous - 75% of the people you play against don't have an active counter to DS - this certainly doesn't make it 'useless'...
I pulled data from Elite recently, this covers 497 random PS3 players with 2,943 custom classes:
Dead Silence
Marksman
Sitrep
Stalker
Steady Aim
Classes with Perk
229 (8%)
836 (28%)
207 (7%)
1120 (38%)
551 (19%)
Players with a Class with Perk
108 (22%)
350 (70%)
108 (22%)
372 (75%)
242 (49%)
I'm sure in game usage does not correlate exactly, but thought it was a good start.
All I know is that soundwhores stats mean absolutely nothing. It's like being proud you beat deaf people in musical chairs.
What absolute garbage.
In any competitive game or sport, players will look to use the best equipment possible to acheive the best results.
That's why we see new innovations in golf clubs, football boots and even fishing rods on an ongoing basis - it's called evolution, and you either adapt with the changes or get left behind.
Using your thought process, we'd all still be working with an abacus and getting music out of two sticks of wood being clonked together...
Complain all you want about soundwhores, people who use gaming mice, state of the art tv's, or whatever else you want to use as an excuse, but it doesn't change the fact that it's YOU that's behind the times.
Anyway, I'm off for the night, so I'll leave you to sleep on your nice comfy rock with leaf blanket, whilst I relax in my 'meaningless' king size bed and goose feather duvet...
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #106 on May 25, 2012, 5:43pm »
footbal boots? dude. its soccer cleats. have some respect. get it straight ride krooked.
seriously though, my 42' plasma Foxtrots up all other monitors on the market, except for the uber-expensive ones that go beyond 1920x1080 res. and my logitech 5700dpi and steelseries ikari do in fact take a dump on most other mice, too. and having a a pair of 300+ headphones will seal the deal(particaularly the ones with 50mm dirvers. and for all the math nerds out there, you will note that 50mm drivers are twice as effective as 40mm dirvers. i cannot wait to try the new closed-back AKGs that run about 299 in 'the states')
i dont have to camp like a small child or use the mp7 with this setup. the pm-9 acog will do just fine.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #107 on May 25, 2012, 6:30pm »
Soundwhores get an advantage on people near them. That doesn't even come close to helping them get the the ratios that they currently hold. All their longrange deaths, DMH, killstreak deaths, random explosions. and who knows what other bullshit this game throws at you are all not influenced by sound. They earned their stats. Just having a better awareness can't replace map knowledge, assassin during uav spam, general gun skills, and other common sense or obscure pieces of knowledge they have. Headsets are a tool to help them win SOME gunfights, but its a long way away from playing the game for them.
I don't like people having an edge others can't neutralize or copy in game. But thats all it is an edge that not everyone has.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #108 on May 25, 2012, 8:15pm »
Sitrep by itself isn't overpowered. Sitrep with Ballistic Vests is. I've been using this recently with the KSG and results have been HILARIOUS. Making sure you're not snuck up on plus being able to survive four bullets means plenty of time to line up your shot and deal nine pellets of death.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #112 on May 26, 2012, 9:47pm »
Sitrep always compensate :
Watch in HD (although not necessary)
Guy using Portable Radar against me Hardline'd = Instant Win
See, Sitrep is not only about soundwhoring. So even if a majority of players are using it (they're not) there are multiple uses to it. I have 2 friends that use it occasionally and it's just so they can find enemy equipment.
What's proper equipment again? Where is the dividing line between improper and proper equipment?
It would be different if this were actually war and your life depended on it. As it is, this game is for fun and/or to compete. Having something the majority of players don't not only ruins fun (for all the people you destroy) and makes the game even more noncompetitive.
All I know is that soundwhores stats mean absolutely nothing. It's like being proud you beat deaf people in musical chairs.
Is this guy for real? "What's proper equipment again? Where is the dividing line between improper and proper equipment? "
Its not about improper equipment. You play sports with proper equipment don't you? (if u do any sports at all) u play soccer in cleats? Use a tennis racquet made from decent lightweight composite materials? That's proper equipment, if you're still playing tennis with a vintage wooden racquet u don't have "improper" equipment but u certainly don't have the proper equipment for a modern game of tennis. And yes u'll of course be disadvantaged.
"Having something the majority of players don't not only ruins fun (for all the people you destroy) and makes the game even more noncompetitive. "
Most players have 2 ears and can hear. most people who can afford a PC that can play MW3/XBOX & Xbox live/ PS3 & PS online + internet connection can afford a decent pair of stero earphones. I soundwhore with a pair of sennheiser pc131's that u can get for 30ish USD or less on amazon. hardly top of the line and it does well enough that people always accuse me of walling. Hell i bet i could do it with apple earphones too.
"All I know is that soundwhores stats mean absolutely nothing. It's like being proud you beat deaf people in musical chairs"
Poor analogy. More like the "deaf people" who refuse spend 30-40USD on decent earphones are like people who can hear but deliberately cover their ears when playing play musical chairs and blame those who are actually listening to the music as having an unfair advantage.
Like i said before do u suggest the game's audio be produced in mono only or have no sound at all?
All the anti-soundwhores should go live in the 1950s. Stereo audio was already being massed produced for vinyl records in the 1960s. U don't need surround sound headphones or surround sound theatre systems to soundwhore. Just 2 ears and a decent pair of stereo earphones.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #114 on May 30, 2012, 5:35am »
I regularly play with around 10 people, all of whom have headsets and can theoretically "sound whore". I would guess the average is maybe a 1.1-1.2 K/D overall in that group. Having a headset doesn't automatically make you a really good player.
I would argue that using an HDTV against someone on an old standard tv (like myself) is a much bigger advantage, as there are often times I can't see people even slightly in cover as the game is optimized to run in HD. Learn to live with it and quit whining about YOUR favorite advantage being taken away.
As someone said: "Sound whoring is gamer slang for listening."
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #115 on May 30, 2012, 10:30am »
i fall into the middle of this debate. its a big advantage, and i probably couldnt even go back to playing without a headset now, but at the same time, its just part of the game at this point. in golf, if you have a sweet swing, you can play with garbage clubs and still shoot in the 70s. if you dont have a great swing, top equipment helps. there are guys out there that can crush me with a sd tv and no headset...
last night i had two excellent search rounds in a row. 9-0 and then 10-1. i got all four kills in the final round of the 9-0 match. i clutched twice in that match. after the match, a guy on my team goes, 'hey cash, which turtlebeaches do you have?' he didnt know me, and had no clue i had turtlebeaches except for having such an extended opportunity to watch me work its an advantage for sure.
anyway, i only have the cheap x12s, they are usb so they dont drain battery life. i cant pinpoint people like the 300 dollar ones, but if you are to my right or left i know it, and it only takes basic map knowledge to figure out the rest. its a big advantage, but honestly, for the cost of another controller, i dont see how people can really whine about it.
there are guys out there that can crush me with a sd tv and no headset...
So true.
My daughter's uncle (or my daughter's mother's brother), I think he's 15 or 16 years old now, but he was either 10 or 11 when he started playing my Call of Duty games and he became one of the best players that I've had the opportunity to play with.
Anyways, he would come over and play on my second Xbox360 which had disk reading problems (you had to pound on it when you closed the disk trey and had to hope it would read the disk), plus one of my many old worn-out controllers. I had hooked that 360 up to an old TV I had in my closet which I had bought "used" back in 1993. The color on that TV was all screwed up, plus the upper left corner of the screen faded to black. The resolution could be described as blurry or fuzzy, I mean you really couldn't read any medium-small text, and the sound was absolutely horrible. I think the speaker, yes speaker not speakers, was busted. Also, in order to make the TV work with the 360 I had to use an adapter to turn the RCA connections into an Analog one. Not-to-mention, I didn't have all that great of internet service either. For the longest time I had AT&T U-verse's cheapest high speed internet connection, I upgraded to a download speed of 6Mbps after MW2 came out and then doubled that to 12Mbps after Black Ops came out. Basically, for him it was a nightmare way to play the game, but you would have never of known he was playing with such a handicap by how he performed.
When he first started playing it was when WaW had just come out and we basically took turns playing on my decent standard definition TV, not the crappy one I mentioned above. Back then he wasn't all that great, although I'd say he certainly progressed quite a bit in a pretty short period of time to being just as good as me, with a few differences in strengths and weaknesses. When MW2 came out he bought a copy of the game so he could play with me and my friends who finally jumped on the Call of Duty bandwagon (most were devoted Halo players unwilling or slow to switch) instead of taking turns playing. This forced me to pull out that old sh*tty TV and hook up my problematic older 360. He also started visiting my place like 3-4 times a week. He really started to come into his own by the time Black Ops came out and at this time he was basically temporarily living at my place because of family issues, but this had him playing all the time. He began to put up some pretty stupid good games, Sandy Ravage entertainment, but he was doing it on a piece of sh*t TV, with no headset, a worn out controller, and my less then stellar internet connection. Although, about 3-4 months after Black Ops released I switched to playing on my old computer Monitor and was able to throw-out that piece of sh*t TV and give him my better standard definition TV to play on. Bouncing back and forth between playing Black Ops and MW2 he rarely finished anywhere other than as the top player on the leaderboard regardless to the gametype.
Currently, he's moved to another state to live with his father and he's been unable to get online and play because his father and his father's wife want him to focus on school, plus they don't really want him communicating with me in light of the break-up and legal matters that exist between his sister (my daughter's mother) and I. Nevertheless, I can easily say that that kid had incredible talent, especially in lite of the equipment he played on. After I switched to the Monitor and bought the Turtlebeach x11s I couldn't take going back and playing on the standard TV the way he had too, it was torture. Today, I now play on a 46" Plasma TV with a Bose stereo system, although I will occasionally use my Turtlebeach x11s instead of playing the audio through the Bose stereo system, plus I supposedly have Time Warner's top internet connection (50Mbps - download, 5Mbps - upload) although it doesn't always feel like it.
Point is, I agree, top equipment certainly does help, but it is in no way a replacement for skill, experience and IMO connection (internet).
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #117 on May 30, 2012, 1:36pm »
ugh, im jealous of that kid. my first cod was cod4 and i got it well after it had come out. i didnt have it for too long before mw2 came out. i played almost exclusively in parties with friends who were good (1.5kds and of course they whored out the silenced mp5...). anyway, i had a massive KD of 0.7. natural talent, i did not have haha.
ugh, im jealous of that kid. my first cod was cod4 and i got it well after it had come out. i didnt have it for too long before mw2 came out. i played almost exclusively in parties with friends who were good (1.5kds and of course they whored out the silenced mp5...). anyway, i had a massive KD of 0.7. natural talent, i did not have haha.
thankfully, things have improved
Yeah, I wish I had his natural gaming instincts as well as his impeccable hand-eye coordination and timing
My K:D ratios between the different Call of Duty games -
CoD3: 1.12 K:D - played solo, on a standard definition tv with no audio headset and the most basic high speed internet. played pretty defensively and pretty much only Team Battle... basically, I sucked.
MW: 1.23 K:D - occasionally played with multiple friends, but mostly solo or with one other person (my uncle who's not very good). still played on a standard definition tv with no audio headset and basic high speed internet. play style was still pretty defensive, but over time I started to get pretty comfortable with the game and would occasionally mix in some offensive aggressiveness. gametypes consisted of almost all TDM and Mercenary TDM with the occasional Domination. on very rare occasions I'd participate in Touch Football TDM games. very rarely i'll pop it back-in and play a few games where i'll fair much better than I have in the past (as long as there's no rampant cheating occurring) which has helped increase my K:D ratio some.
WaW: 1.37 K:D - at first I just played with the same few friends who enjoyed partaking in some Call of Duty, yet that still left me playing solo mostly or with one other person, but I did begin taking turns w/ my daughter's uncle. still played on a standard definition tv with no audio headset and basic high speed internet. just before MW2 came out several of my friends who were looking to play something else other than Halo finally gave in and bought WaW and MW, so they gave me some other people to play with even though they weren't all that great at first. pretty similar play style to how I played in MW, but when playing with a friend or friends I began becoming more and more aggressive offensively. primary gametypes I played once again centered around TDM & Mercenary TDM with the occasional Domination and CTF games, but I really started to get into the Touch Football TDM games in the last 4 months prior to MW2 being released. similarly to MW, i'll pop this game back in very rarely, but when I do and there's no cheating, I have helped increase my career K:D ratio.
MW2: 1.72 K:D - most of my friends got MW2 on release and I made several new friends through MW2 too. I seemed to always have someone to play with, usually a full squad. this, plus an upgrade to my internet connection, as well as the fact that my daughter's uncle would occasionally play under my account when his temporary 1 month xbox live accounts would run out, not-to-mention, the eventual switching to a crisper image thanks to using an old computer monitor and the purchase of a Turtlebeach x11 headset all helped me raise my K:D ratio pretty significantly from past titles. though, the switch to an old computer monitor and the purchase of the Turtlebeach headset took place after BO was released. pretty much picked right back up were I left off in playstyle from WaW, but over time my playstyle became almost pure aggressive offense, incorporating lots of rushing and flanking, minus exceptions that were dependent on map, weapon choice, and gametype. The pre-patched Models were a huge reason I started becoming ubber aggressive, those weapons were the quintessential definition of overpowered. gametypes continued to be mostly focused on playing regular TDM thanks to all the Halo friends who at first pretty much refused to play any other gametypes other than the occasional Domination matches, which mostly came about thanks to Ground War, however, it seemed like after a while several other game types (Demolition, Headquarters, Sabotage, and CTF) were being optioned to infrequently, but often enough to keep the gameplay from becoming to repetitive. after BO was released, Team Tactical became a huge favorite of my core friends if only four of us were online and this introduced several other gametypes other than TDM more and more often. got away from playing Touch Football games in MW2.
BO: 1.81 K:D - a large portion of my friends hated BO and returned the game shortly after its release and preferred to play MW2 and dabble with Halo: Reach, so I ended up playing more solo games and games with smaller groups 1-3 people (including most games with my daughter's uncle who had become an extremely dominant player) instead of the full squads and ground wars that became pretty common place in MW2's prime. my daughter's uncle no longer used my account at all because he had his own year long xbox live account so all statistics were just me once again. another upgrade to my internet connection, the early switch to a monitor and audio headset, plus, in my opinion, the fact that BO was an easier game to dominate in regardless to the annoyingly poor hit detection allowed me to raise my K:D ratio even more then in previous titles. I became ultra aggressive in this game because of how easy it seemed to be and thanks to the SR71. the chosen gametypes still focused on TDM, I think because of how often I played Mercenary TDM by myself or with a friend, plus after MW3 was released TDM was the only place I could find matches. also, for the first time I spent a good portion of my solo time playing FFA games and Mercenary which had other gametypes other than TDM for solo players. when playing with multiple teammates we diversified our time pretty well between TDM, Domination, Headquarters, CTF, and Demolition.
MW3: 1.56 K:D - I purchased my first HD TV when Battlefield 3 was released, I picked up a top of the line stereo system, and upgraded my internet again, then switch to a different provider because they supposedly offered an even faster connection. for MW3 I pretty much carried on with my ultra aggressive attacking playstyle right from the get-go and because I was determined to be successful with the sh*tty Spas-12 shotgun as well as finding myself playing quite a bit of solo play in the early goings I was getting sh*t on way to often. in fact, my K:D ratio after the first month was somewhere around a 1.20 - 1.25... ugly for what I had come to expect from myself. the reason I was playing a lot of solo games at first was because a large portion of my friends, including myself had bought Battlefield 3, and they were still very much into it where as I started to play more and more MW3 instead. plus, several of my other friends who were on MW3 I simply didn't feel like playing with... don't really know why, but I'm sure it had something to do with not playing with them for some time and feeling a bit awkward sending them game invites or asking for one at that time. another problem I faced was that I was getting constantly raped by the Striker and dual FMG9s in CQC and at ranges you wouldn't think you should be getting destroyed by them. this especially made it difficult when I was trying to run and gun with my Spas-12 or KSG. I tried like hell to not give in and start using these overpowered weapons, but I could only take getting my @$$ kicked for so long before I felt the need to be competitive against them. in giving myself an actual fighting chance I started incorporating those weapons and immediately saw my K:D ratio and SPM increase, but unfortunately I made this decision only mere weeks before they got patched, but thankfully around this time many of my friends who before were playing Battlefield 3 nearly 24/7 were beginning to partake more and more often in MW3, so playing on teams of 3-6 people was becoming the norm, which also helped allow me to increase my winning % and K:D ratio. gametypes continued to revolve around TDM, but most friends are just as willing to play Domination, Kill Confirm, and Headquarters. to a lesser degree Demolition, Team Defender, and CTF are options that may also get chosen. Team Tactical is still a huge favorite of my core friends and when we gather more then six players together we're more than happy to partake in Ground War. I don't really play much FFAs anymore, but with the introduction of Face Off, I've begun playing a decent amount of 1v1 as well as 2v2 and 3v3. I messed around with Infection and Drop Zone for a while, but didn't really find them entertaining enough to keep playing, however, IMO Drop Zone is a ton more fun than Infection. since the game's release, my custom classes and playstyle has transformed, going from an extreme aggressiveness regardless to the class to more of a mixture of momentary aggressiveness mixed with plenty cautious aggressiveness and some actual patience, lots of which are class dependent. this change has seen my K:D ratio steadily increase, but at the cost of seeing my SPM dip a tad. biggest issue with MW3 is the inconsistent connections (lag? perhaps), one game I'll be a 4 bar yet have a connection that acts like a 2 bar, the next game I'll be a 3 bar and yet feel like I can do no wrong, and another game I'll be a 2 or 3 bar, but feel like some people I face are causing me to be a 1 bar and yet against others I'll feel like a 4 bar... its just this crazy inconsistency in connections that is ever so aggravating. in several ways it much more annoying than BO's well known hit detection issues. I think these problems (including BO's hit detection issues) all stem from the introduction of massive online stat tracking, recorded (theater) games, and the developers attempt to balance the connections amongst the many different types of connections (lag compensation), but that's just me. would I rather not have these features if it meant having a more consistent connection... yes and no (basically undecided), yes when I'm facing constant bad connection games and no because I really like those features a lot.
Re: SitRep Pro V DS Patch « Reply #119 on May 30, 2012, 5:12pm »
Cmck - 1. If you don't see much difference between standard def and HDTV, then there is either something wrong with your eyes or you are using the wrong cables/settings to connect your equipment.
2. Your whole rant in this thread is based on you being a scrub. There is no obligation for things to be fair for you. Nobody owes you anything.
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