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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Feb 19, 2013 12:44:28 GMT -5
The Guardian change is nice -- those got a tad bit stupid when you didn't have the mandatory EMP grenade.
Not sure what to make of the Toughness buff since I never use it.
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Post by wwaa on Feb 19, 2013 13:20:15 GMT -5
New patch: Reduced Guardian damage in Touch Football modes. hell ... Guardian was 2HK ... sad they changed it ...
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Post by brutalonslaught on Feb 19, 2013 13:38:29 GMT -5
That's a nerf for me, I like the red flash damage indicator it warns me if I'm going too big.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 14:09:43 GMT -5
What is the red flash? Anyway, toughness is still shit so long as its only .75x reduc. Needs to be .9x reduc or better.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 14:13:58 GMT -5
Oh, yeah.. well thats a small buff then. Not enough to make toughness worthwhile though.
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Post by palladium on Feb 19, 2013 14:18:46 GMT -5
Not much at all in the way of balance, so I guess the game is balanced now in their eyes?
EMP nades still need a real counter in my eyes. Being able to make all equipment (and several scorestreaks) in the level worthless by having one person run EMP nades is kind of insane.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 14:24:58 GMT -5
I agree with that. Toughness, footsteps, EMP, Shock Charges, Chicom, Target Finder, Rapid Fire, Grip, Suppressor, PDW, SMR, AN94, Shotguns, and Ballista all have notable room for balancing IMO.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Feb 19, 2013 14:36:15 GMT -5
You leave my AN-94 out of this!
He didn't mean it, hun... *pat pat*
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 19, 2013 15:13:35 GMT -5
I agree with that. Toughness, footsteps, EMP, Shock Charges, Chicom, Target Finder, Rapid Fire, Grip, Suppressor, PDW, SMR, AN94, Shotguns, and Ballista all have notable room for balancing IMO. I agree. Footsteps, Chicom, SMR, Ballista and Grip seriosly need a nerf!
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Post by ecomni on Feb 19, 2013 15:57:37 GMT -5
EMP nades still need a real counter in my eyes. Being able to make all equipment (and several scorestreaks) in the level worthless by having one person run EMP nades is kind of insane. I know it wouldn't make any sense at all physically, but I'd like it if EMPs didn't penetrate walls. They effectively make using a trophy system to protect sentries/Guardians near-worthless. On Hijacked against somewhat decent semi-campy teams, I've gotten into the habit of throwing EMPs either outside the cabins or in the lower deck and I end up destroying 3-4 things. It's kinda silly.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 16:07:27 GMT -5
I agree with that. Toughness, footsteps, EMP, Shock Charges, Chicom, Target Finder, Rapid Fire, Grip, Suppressor, PDW, SMR, AN94, Shotguns, and Ballista all have notable room for balancing IMO. I agree. Footsteps, Chicom, SMR, Ballista and Grip seriosly need a nerf!
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 19, 2013 16:09:44 GMT -5
I agree. Footsteps, Chicom, SMR, Ballista and Grip seriosly need a nerf! The way it sounded in my head made it pretty obvious what meaning I was going for. But in case you are still on the fence: The Former.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Feb 19, 2013 16:10:08 GMT -5
For real man, the SMR and Chicom with grip is the most imba thing in the world. Ballista also rapes far too much against SMGs and Shotguns alike. 3arc would do well to nerf them. For real, yo.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 16:23:47 GMT -5
Yes, really. With you and danoski always being on irc together, its hard to look at you differently. Since youre on a crusade against me, I figure he is too.
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 19, 2013 16:54:34 GMT -5
Yup. On Weekends we plot on how to make your life miserable, and on Wednesdays we craft Voodoo dools that look just like you.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 17:09:05 GMT -5
But you do argue, so whats your point? I dont think I have many extreme viewpoints aside from the Target Finder, Stopping Power, Recoil, and the UMP...? Otherwise disagreements are normal and I dont think anything gets as heated as an internet argument can get?
Also, I was well aware danoski.
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Post by asasa on Feb 19, 2013 20:45:42 GMT -5
Well im totally aware of how I come off but I mean, I've tried to not come off that way [on the internet] for a long time and havent been able to.. so, maybe it'll be the same to you. Not like it really matters. No one has killed themself from a CoD argument.
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Post by wwaa on Feb 20, 2013 7:28:09 GMT -5
Not much at all in the way of balance, so I guess the game is balanced now in their eyes? EMP nades still need a real counter in my eyes. Being able to make all equipment (and several scorestreaks) in the level worthless by having one person run EMP nades is kind of insane. I cannot decide myself: Option 1: Hardwired should protect your equipment, player who used EMP nade would see hitmark indicating equipment was protected. Option 2: No changes. Less BS in game = more gun-on-gun, good job 3arc.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Feb 20, 2013 9:39:38 GMT -5
No one has killed themself from a CoD argument. Yet.Come on, man, where's your winning attitude? Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be! When some twinkie hangs himself with his mother's dirty laundry and they find my gamertag in his note, my dick is going to be hard as fucking diamonds you will be so jelly.
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Post by daftpunk on Feb 20, 2013 14:50:23 GMT -5
Whats all you're opinion on emp grenades , i run them on almost all of my classes , they are just too good i almost cant bear to run any other tac , i dont need to list all that it does to you guys , is it too good ?
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Feb 20, 2013 22:18:50 GMT -5
Or you could be like me and run both of them via Tactician. Shit is baws, yo. :3
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Post by sh58 on Feb 21, 2013 14:41:05 GMT -5
If you notice your equipment being hacked or empd change to a class with no equipment
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Post by -3055- on Feb 21, 2013 14:51:29 GMT -5
I agree with that. Toughness, footsteps, EMP, Shock Charges, Chicom, Target Finder, Rapid Fire, Grip, Suppressor, PDW, SMR, AN94, Shotguns, and Ballista all have notable room for balancing IMO. EMP as in EMP grenades or the killstreak? They're both fine, as is. Shock charges need to shut the fuck up give the Chicom CQB LSAT recoil. And maybe a slight range buff. Target Finder is fine as is. Maybe, like everyone else is saying, make cold blooded completely immune. Fuck rapid fire. I hated MW3 extended mags & rapid fire PP90M1. Too powerful. Grip does need an obvious buff. But only for the reason that it does absolutely nothing right now. PDW and AN94 are fine, honestly. SMR needs even more range, less range, faster ads, and a higher damage model. 80-49 lolshotguns Ballista needs like an everything buff. But I think they should make it smg run speed. Make LMGS all have an ADS time of 0.4, with QBB LSW 0.35. WIth quickdraw, all should have an ADS time of 0.3, and 0.25 for QBB LSW We finally made it, LMGs. You're actually competent now.
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Post by citrus on Feb 21, 2013 21:16:02 GMT -5
Whuh.
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Post by danoski666 on Feb 22, 2013 8:37:12 GMT -5
I agree with that. Toughness, footsteps, EMP, Shock Charges, Chicom, Target Finder, Rapid Fire, Grip, Suppressor, PDW, SMR, AN94, Shotguns, and Ballista all have notable room for balancing IMO. EMP as in EMP grenades or the killstreak? They're both fine, as is. Shock charges need to shut the Foxtrot up give the Chicom CQB LSAT recoil. And maybe a slight range buff. Target Finder is fine as is. Maybe, like everyone else is saying, make cold blooded completely immune. Foxtrot rapid fire. I hated MW3 extended mags & rapid fire PP90M1. Too powerful. Grip does need an obvious buff. But only for the reason that it does absolutely nothing right now. PDW and AN94 are fine, honestly. SMR needs even more range, less range, faster ads, and a higher damage model. 80-49 lolshotguns Ballista needs like an everything buff. But I think they should make it smg run speed. Make LMGS all have an ADS time of 0.4, with QBB LSW 0.35. WIth quickdraw, all should have an ADS time of 0.3, and 0.25 for QBB LSW We finally made it, LMGs. You're actually competent now. I hate to be that guy, but the grip does do SOMETHING. Nobody said 2% was of any significance though.
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Post by -3055- on Feb 22, 2013 9:41:36 GMT -5
Ha, I usually proofread. One of those rare moments. It needs more range and less recoil.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Feb 26, 2013 11:27:27 GMT -5
I disagree. It has a 2HK range of 1500, and I honestly don't find the range or recoil to be a problem. That is, unless I use a suppressor. Then, the recoil and range become an issue. Giving it more range and less recoil would pretty much make it a better FAL, and I thought the consensus was that the FAL is pretty much the best gun in the game.
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Post by asasa on Feb 26, 2013 11:44:57 GMT -5
Nope, best is AN94.
Basically any semi auto weapon is overrated by players, because they can never understand "SEMI. AUTO"
SMR should just have its firerate cap increased and slightly reduced horizontal recoil. .25s ADS couldnt hurt. And maybe 75 close range damage, since 69 still yields a lot of 3HKs.
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Post by honeybunch on Feb 26, 2013 12:29:02 GMT -5
And maybe 75 close range damage, since 69 still yields a lot of 3HKs. I don't understand this. In what situation would 69 damage per shot yield a three hit kill where 75 per shot wouldn't?
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Post by asasa on Feb 26, 2013 12:31:07 GMT -5
Penetration?
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