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Now, this would be a good game... « Thread Started on Feb 17, 2011, 1:54am »
COD: ___?
FIRST: important game notes
The melee button (the default Reflex Blade) should more accurately mimic the length of time it would take to lower a fire arm and draw out a sheathed knife before it is used lethally. Basically, after pressing the melee button the lengthier delay should be caused by the animation of lowering the weapon, reaching and pulling out the knife from its sheath before any stab or swipe takes place. This doesn't mean the animation would have to be ridiculously long, but it obviously ought to be more lengthy then what's seen in current Call of Duty titles and should be affected by the lowering speed of the weapon a player is carrying. The lunging range should be similar as to that which has been seen in BO2. The cool-down period for putting it away might also be in line for an increase in time... testing could determine the appropriate amount. The Reflex Blade should maintain its One-Hit-Kill capability to ensure the pace of the game remains similarly fast as previous CoD titles.
Modify the "Join Active Session" system. When being forced to automatically join a game where the team you joined is already losing then you won't get credited for the loss under your game stats. However, if your team managed to take the lead sometime after you joined but still managed to go on to lose, then in those situations you would get credited with the lose. For those who join a game in which the team they joined was winning and went on to win, the difference will be the length of time you were on the team. If the game ended within a specific amount of time (lets say "X" amount of time), then you had to be playing with that team for at least 1/3, or maybe 1/4, of that "X" amount of time in order to have that win count toward your lifetime statistics. In any case, all of the other game stats will still count toward your statistics; like kills, deaths, xp, etc. A 3-strike penalty system should also be implemented in that for those who choose to quit a game or dashboard from a game, whether intentional or not, will be given a penalty strike and after accumulating 3 strikes those strikes will be turned into 3 losses. An accumulated strike should be cleared with 20 or maybe 25 clean games, meaning games with no quitting. Also, no strike is issued to a player who earns a game boot through the automatic 12 death Deathstreak. (this is discussed later on)
Modification on the money purchasing system from BO, intertwining it with a minor unlocking system for customization options only. Prestiging will have similarities to MW3 and BO2 with a few new twists.
ALL Weapons, Attachments, Proficiencies, Equipment, Throwing Items, Perks, Deathstreaks and Awards are immediately available for purchase from Rank 1. A player can begin modifying 5 custom classes immediately, but purchasing money is required. The game will also provide a default class for use that's dependent on the map and gametype. Gaining player experience, which is heavily influenced by in-game score, earns spending cash, but after every custom class item that's purchased the price of the rest of the custom class items that have not been purchased will inflate in their cost and likewise after personalization items are purchased the rest of the personalization items that have not been purchased will inflate, though purchasing a custom class item will not inflate the cost of personalization items and vise versa.
At reaching level 10 a player gains access to a contract system, similar to BO1 but different. The system ought to be one large database of available contracts, which cover a large variety of tasks, and by fulfilling the request of the contract by its time limit a player is awarded additional cash. At level 10 they are allowed to take out 1 contract at a time. When they reach level 20 they can select up to any 2 contracts, at level 30 they can get up to 3 and at level 40, 4. Level 50, 5, but Level 55 is the highest attainable character level before a player has to decide whether or not they want to prestige their character. There are 10 character prestige levels and character prestige's will be handled somewhat similarly to MW3 in that there will be prestige tokens. Prestige tokens are worth a certain amount of money (the higher the prestige, the higher value of the token) and they credit the player that amount of money in order to purchase custom class items right from the get-go (level 1).
The "minor" unlocking system mentioned earlier that's intertwined with the money purchasing system will only be for personalized customization options such as; Call-sign Backgrounds, Call-sign Emblems, Weapon Tags, Reticules, Weapon Camouflages, Face Paints, Outfit Camouflages and new optional Outfits. These unlocks should be earned through the usage of Weapons, Attachments, Equipment, Throwing Items, Perks, Proficiencies, Scorestreak Awards, Deathstreaks, Wildcards as well as Lifetime Milestones & Prestiges. Though, once unlocked and then purchased, these items will only inflate the price of further unlockable customization items and not the regular custom class items.
Also, under one custom class you should be able to select as many Face Paints, Outfits, and Camouflage options as there are different character scenarios which are created by the different maps and the team factions you could potentially play on. Basically, you will be able to pre-select all the multiple different Face Paints, Outfits & Camouflages for all the various characters and environments. Example: Any one custom class could have a snow colored Face Paint, A Sniper Suit, and Weapon Camouflage colors for a specific snow covered map while also having preset jungle colors and a Jungle Gillie Suit for a specific jungle map. These also can be altered depending on the team faction, whether it was the United States, Russia, Middle Eastern Terrorist, etc.
This game's custom class system incorporates some of the positive directions seen in BO2, MW3 and BO, but blends them in a way to really provide a player with the ultimate level of customization. The BO2 "Pick 10" point system is a great foundation, but instead of limiting the number of picks to 10 the number is increased to 17. Wildcards, or the penalty system for "bending" the so-called traditional custom class rules, is also present in this custom class system, but with some very important tweaks. Perks are still grouped per three color groups, but now instead of a default benefit for a perk and a pro benefit of that perk there's simply two parts of a perk and a player can choose to make use of one or the other or both without the need of a Wildcard, but with the Wildcard a player will have even more options under the color group. Proficiencies return, but the role they play is redefined from their role in MW3. Instead of being directly related to the weapon and its experience, they instead simply act as a fourth "Perk-like" group that's designed specifically for addressing some core weapon handling enhancements. This prevents an issue where all weapon modification benefits are handed over to the group of weapon attachments. Equipment makes a return in a similar way as it was included in BO1, in that its separated from Throwing Items. Deathstreaks return but they're implemented differently from the past MW games and they require a custom class point or pick to make use of, so players can choose not to use them if they so wish. The Deathstreaks won't significantly influence the outcome or flow of close games because their effective impact per requirement and limited benefits have been mitigated. The biggest change is that all of the individual streaks will work together for a player, but they will still need to be purchased in order to make use of them all.
A Scorestreak award system that's somewhat of a blend between the Pointstreak system seen in MW3 and BO2's new Scorestreak system. There will be two different award packages to choose from and they're classified as Assault and Assist and they're custom class assigned, meaning you can modify the Scorestreak per class. The Assault package requires that the Scorestreak points earned towards the selected awards be accumulated within each life, meaning that once a player loses his life the accumalated points earned will reset back to zero, however these awards can stack, meaning any kills achieved by the award itself can help earn another the player an additional award. The Assist package on the other hand does not reset with the loss of a life, meaning that a player can continue earning additional Scorestreak points right where they left off after they lost a life. Both of these packages will automatically reset back to zero when reaching the last of the selected awards in order to allow the player to cycle through again. Also, the Special Award, the M.O.A.B., from MW3 is back.
Weapon ADS sway should be duplicated from MW3 in that it builds over time while aiming down the sight for a prolonged amount of time. Also, the idle sway should be greater with greater weapon's that have greater weight and are less compact, yet the greater the weight the likelihood of the weapon having less recoil too, however, there are other dynamics which will also affect a weapon's recoil other than just the firearm's weight such as the bullet's weight, the powder charge, and the design of the firearm. The firearm's design may make use of hydraulic or pneumatic shock absorbers; systems of springs, cams and levers to modify, dampen, or dissipate the rearward impulse generated as the projectile is fired down the bore of the firearm. Other design factors are a muzzle brake, a muzzle compensator, or a ported barrel to redirect propellant gases with the effect of countering both the recoil of the gun and the unwanted rising of the barrel during rapid fire. All things being equal, a heavier gun should have softer recoil, a lighter bullet/shot should have softer recoil, and a faster bullet should have heavier recoil. These are some things to keep in mind when developing the game's weapons.
By default all Primary weapons (including Primaries made as Secondaries when using the Overkill Wildcard) are given two attachment slots and Secondary weapon's are given one, however the Gunfighter Wildcard doubles the amount of available slots. Attachments that interfere in any way with one another will not be capable of being paired together (for example: no two under-barrel attachments, no two sights, no two toggle-able attachments).
New and returning attachments should include; Rifle Bayonet (under-barrel), Grenade Launcher (under-barrel), Bi-Pod (under-barrel), Masterkey Shotgun (under-barrel), Foregrip (under-barrel), Laser Pointer, Reflex Sight (same magnification and ADS speed as Iron Sights for most weapons, increases magnification on Submachine Guns & Shotguns), Holographic Sight (more magnification than Reflex, but same ADS speed), SUSAT Scope (more magnification than Holo, but slower ADS speed then Holo sight), ACOG Scope (more magnification than SUSAT, but same ADS speed as SUSAT), Hybrid Optic (Toggle-able sight that provides two different magnifications, variable ADS speed dependent on the chosen zoom), Thermal Scope (more magnification than ACOG/SUSAT, held-breath scope, slower ADS speed then ACOG/SUSAT), Sniper Scope (more magnification than Thermal, held-breath scope, slower ADS speed then Thermal), Variable Magnification Scope (multi-magnification, held-breath scope, same ADS speed as Sniper), Extended Magazine, Barrel Upgrade, Extended Chamber, Choke Tube, Dual Magazines, Select Fire, Rapid Fire, Suppressor, Specialty Ammo, Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) Rounds, Tracker Rounds, Akimbo (Pistols, Machine Pistols, and specific Shotguns), Tactical Knife (Pistols Only), and Speed Reloader (Revolver Specific).
NEW! Laser Pointer Sight - A side mounted attachment which aesthetically projects a red light laser beam outward from the front of the weapon. The laser provides a center aiming point which makes it easy to aim the weapon when it's at a player's hip. You'll be able to toggle the laser light on and off which means it cannot be paired with other attachment that include a toggle feature. The downside to having the Laser on all the time is that it's very noticeable and it causes the player to have very little conceal ability with the weapon. When aiming down sight (ADS) on a weapon with the Laser Pointer attachment and just Iron Sights the weapon model will move down on the screen a bit in order to get it out of the way and a floating red dot will appear above the weapon's Iron Sights. Think of it as a floating Red Dot Sight attachment without the sight's frame blocking the surrounding scene. If you equipped a sight attachment with the Laser Pointer this ADS effect will be negated and you will ADS as normal with the equipped sight attachment. NEW! Choke Tube For Shotguns, it will tighten the shot spread. NEW! Extended Chamber For some Shotguns and Rifles which draw extra loaded ammo from a chamber. This attachment it will increase the amount it can hold. NEW! Specialty Ammo For Shotguns only, it will reduce their range (certainly more so than the Silencer), but it increases the amount of shots per shell. This will increase the weapon's lethality, but at the cost of having a much shorter effective range NEW! Select Fire This attachment provides a firing option (toggled) for semi-auto firing and burst firing Rifles by providing a full auto feature for the weapon which will be capped at a competitive ROF. The ROF must not be to fast as to make the weapon overpowered. NEW! Barrel Upgrade Available for only specific weapons. Increases the max damage range. NEW! Tracker Rounds Provides an effect like MW3's Recon Pro perk. Enemies who are damaged by the ballistic round will be actively tracked on the opponents mini-map for up to 8 seconds. REVISED! Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) Rounds They will continue to play the role that they've played before, providing for greater penetration and maintaining a better percentage of the bullets damage through the material it's penetrating, but now they also play an additional role. These rounds will ignore the benefits of a Ballistic Vest, meaning that opponents who have a Ballistic Vest equipped will be treated as if they didn't. REVISED! Foregrip The Foregrip is an attachment option that's specific to pump-action Shotguns only and provides them with a slightly quicker rechambering animation. Since the rechambering animation isn't affected by the Load Proficiency this attachment is quiet useful with these weapons. Side note: several weapon's will have Foregrips already attached as part of their cosmetic design for the game similarly to how some Sniper Rifles will already have Sniper Scopes already attached too, but the Foregrips won't produce some kind of measurable altercation or improvement to the weapon's statistics that may go away if a different attachment is placed on the weapon that takes away the cosmetic Foregrip.
Game Integrity Protections: The Tactical Insert equipment won't work in FFA games and a tracking system should be introduced to look for patterns that suggest boosting. This tracking system will further analyze the play around the players who are matching the boosting patterns and if the play is suspicious the system will red flag these players. Once red flagged the player(s) will have his/her actual gameplay tracked to see if they require a warning for cheating. If the warning is issued and the player continues to cheat, the player will receive a temporary ban and if the cheating actions continue yet after the temporary ban, then they risk a permanent account ban. Also, the report a player option should still exists and if a player is reported often enough they too will have their actual gameplay analyzed by the system... if found to be cheating they will suffer the same banning procedure.
Explosives, on the whole, should have their lethality level maintained near MW3's levels. Bring back the level of gibbing from World at War (WaW), a gib is a piece of a soldier that's blown off with explosives or by a powerful weapon, as well as the body physics from MW2, where the body would get thrown about when killed by explosives. This higher level of gore, should be controllable by a menu setting, so that parents who don't want their children to deal with the increased level of gore (including swearing too) can remove that aspect of the game. Have larger and more diverse maps mixed with areas that force CQC and plenty of medium engagement. I personally favored the generally more open and larger map designs and principles found in WaW. Also, favor some of the map interaction that can be found in BO. Keep the BOs "dolphin dive". Improve on the overall Call-Sign customization capability from BO. Provide a more detailed after game report / scoreboard, expand on the one in BO, perhaps BO2. Expand on the Combat Record from Black Ops as a method to research player statistics in game.
There are several objects in BO where when you climbed up you automatically would go right over them instead of being able to stand on top of them, it seemed like to me that in the MW games most things you could climb up and it wouldn't force you to go right over. If you want to achieve a similar result in BO you have to side angle a jump onto that object, if you could jump high enough. I think they should bring back a similar climbing ability from the MW games, but with an eye toward's the fluidity of the climbing and pull-up system used in the game Crysis 2.
Improve Combat Training and add objective game modes. You should be able to customize individual AI Bots, like choosing if a bot is more aggressive or passive, plus whether they are focused more on completing Objectives or Slaying. This should allow for better simulation of real players. Not-to-mention, Combat Training should work as a multiplayer option even if you're unable to get online.
Gametypes: TDM, KC, Defender, FFA, Mercenary, Dom, HQ, Demo, SnD, Sabo, CTF, KotH (Hardpoint), and Air Drop. Playlists Types: Ground War (9v9), Traditional (6v6), Team Tactical (4v4), Doubles (2v2), Multi-team (3v3v3v3), Face off (1v1). Setting Types: Standard-core, Hard-core, and League (skill based matchmaking)
WILDCARDS: Only three slots are available
Gunfighter Doubles the amount of attachment slots available for use (Primary: from 2 to 4; Secondary: from 1 to 2), plus causes the user's weapon to immediately disappear after they die, ensuring nobody else can make use of the heavily customized weapon. (1 class point)
Overkill Removes the weapon slot classification, so that a second Primary weapon can be chosen in the Secondary weapon slot or a second Secondary weapon can be chosen in the Primary weapon slot (1 class point)
Danger Close Provides the ability for the selected Lethal Throwing Item to be doubled-up by doubling the amount of available slots, from 1 to 2, but it can only be filled by adding the same Lethal Throwing Item (1 class point)
Tactician Replaces the Lethal Throwing Item selection slot(s) with an additional Tactical Throwing Item slot(s). There will only be an additional two slots if this Wildcard (Tactician) is paired with the Danger Close Wildcard. This Wildcard will only allow for two different types of Tactical Throwing Items to be paired together (1 class point)
Greed (Perk) Provides an additional pair of perk slots per perk color group, in other words it'll grant 2 pairs of perk slots per color group when using only the Greed Wildcard verses the default 1pairing or 4 individual perk slots per color group when paired with the Diversity Wildcard (1 class point)
Diversity (Perk) Alters the perk slot pairing into individual slots, meaning that instead of perk slot 1 and 2 requiring a relationship to the same perk title (part 1 or 2 of said chosen perk), any perk from the same color group can be chosen for the individual color perk slot (1 class point)
Weapons Master Doubles the amount of available Proficiency slots, from 2 to 4 (1 class point)
Extra At the cost of using a Wildcard slot it grants an extra point (2 points) (1 class point)
Frontline Reduces the death requirement for the Deathstreaks by 1 (1 class point)
PERKS: By default only two slots which are paired together are available per color group. The pairing of the slots means that by default the second slot can only be used for the additional benefit in relation to the benefit chosen in the first slot (benefits 1 or 2 of a given perk title). The perk Wildcards alter the default slot system for perks.
Blue Perks:
Cloak 1 - The user of this perk will not provide opponents a red cross-hair or name when being targeted at medium-ish (normal) or longer distances, plus the aim assist at those ranges will be removed too. This effectively neutralizes or cancels the first part of the Marksman 1 perk's ability to identify opponents at distances greater than normal (1 class point) Cloak 2 - Cut the length of time you are actively tracked in half, providing a semi-counter to the Tracker Rounds (8 seconds becomes 4), Sensor Grenade (12 seconds becomes 6), Recon Drone (16 seconds becomes 8), and Blue Force Tracker (48 seconds becomes 24 seconds) (1 class point)
Blind Eye 1 - Remain unidentified by lethal AI-Controlled Scorestreak Support Awards (1 class point) Blind Eye 2 - Grants stealth capabilities to all of the user's airborne aerial Scorestreak awards (1 class point)
Cold-Blooded 1 - Remain unidentified by the user-controlled lethal targeting system (1 class point) Cold-Blooded 2 - Undetectable by Thermal devices and Millimeter Scanners (1 class point)
Ghost 1 - Remain unidentified by UAV surveillance systems (UAVs and Advance UAVs) when mobile (1 class point) Ghost 2 - Undetectable by Portable Radars and Heartbeat Sensors (1 class point)
Marksman 1 - Identify enemy targets at longer ranges, this effectively counters (or cancels) the Camouflage 1 perk benefit of no red cross-hair, no name, and no aim assist at medium-ish or normal ranges (1 class point) Marksman 2 - Extra bullet damage is provided to the user versus enemy Scorestreak awards, plus a slightly quicker lock-on for lock-on Launchers (1 class point)
Red Perks:
Tactical Mask 1 - Provides a level of resistance (x0.50) to the effects of the Flashbang, Concussion, and Shock Grenades (1 class point) Tactical Mask 2 - Full immunity to the Gas Grenade (1 class point)
Blast Shield 1 - Provides explosive damage resistance (x0.50) (1 class point) Blast Shield 2 - Greatly lessens the shellshock effect caused by explosions (1 class point)
Hard-Wired 1 - Grants immunity from mini-map scrambling awards (EWAs) and devices (the Local Jammer Equipment), plus immunity to EMPs and mini-EMP Grenades (1 class point) Hard-Wired 2 - Reduces the flinch effect when shot (1 class point)
Scavenger 1 - Resupply weapon ballistics and Hatchets from any dead body (1 class point) Scavenger 2 - Scavenge any un-used explosives or Tactical Throwing Items from dead players if those players were making use of the same items as the user of the Scavenger perk (1 class point)
Hardline 1 - Earn extra points toward Scorestreak Point Awards (1 class point) Hardline 2 - Allows the user to recover their health quicker (1.5x faster) after being injured (1 class point)
Green Perks:
Dead Silence 1 - The range in which a player's movement sounds can be heard will be greatly reduced (x0.25) and the volume at which it can be heard at will be cut in half. This more than neutralizes the sound-enhancing ability of the basic Awarness 1 perk (1 class point) Dead Silence 2 - All other sounds, other than footsteps, that a player can make (reloading, weapon switching, climbing, knifing, falling, health recovery breath, ext.) are reduced in auditory range and volume by half. This effectively neutralizes the sound-enhancing ability of the Awarness 2 perk (1 class point)
Awarness 1 - Doubles the range and volume of enemy footsteps, neutralizing to a degree the sound reduction of Dead Silence 1, plus it counters the stealth capabilities of opponent aerial Scorestreak awards (1 class point) Awareness 2 - All other enemy sounds other than footsteps are doubled in range and volume (this includes weapon switching, reloading, climbing, knifing, etc.) This effectively neutralizes the sound reduction of Dead Silence 2 (1 class point)
Engineer 1 - Detect enemy place-able Equipment and place-able Scorestreak awards, re-roll the chance on Care Packages, plus quickens the ability to hack enemy equipment and awards with the Black HAT PDA (1 class point) Engineer 2 - Delays enemy detection-based explosives which would also make them easier to be hack with the Black HAT PDA equipment. This would allow the IMS to become hacked too (1 class point)
Lightweight 1 - Move about on foot quicker than normal (1.1x speed boost) (1 class point) Lightweight 2 - Climb obstacles faster and receive no fall damage (1 class point)
Extreme Conditioning 1 - Sprint for longer periods of time with a faster recover time in-between sprints allowing the player to begin a new full sprint a little quicker than normal (1 class point) Extreme Conditioning 2 - Increases the speed of using place-able equipment, throwing items, and Scorestreak awards (this includes the action of calling a reward in) (1 class point)
PROFICIENCIES: Only two slots are available unless the Weapons Master Wildcard is used
Kick Reduces a weapon's recoil (1 class point)
Steady Increases the hip-fire accuracy of weapons (1 class point)
Load Reduces the reloading time for weapons (1 class point)
Swap Reduces the raise and lower times for weapons (swapping speed) (1 class point)
Quick Weapons are ready for use quicker then normal after ending a sprint (1 class point)
Draw Weapons can be aimed-down-sight (ADS) faster (1 class point)
Agile Move faster while aiming down the sights of a weapon (1 class point)
Stable Reduces the progressive "idle" ADS sway of weapons and provides a slight reduction to the built-in ADS sway for "held-breath" scopes, plus doubles the length of time a player can hold their breath when using a "held-breath" scope without doubling the cool-down after releasing the breath (1 class point)
EQUIPMENT: Only one slot is available
Camera Spike Live camera feed which you can toggle on and off between your radar map (this camera will uplink live video footage to all of your teammates if they so choose to make use of it, this works by providing your teammates a second piece of equipment icon which they can select in order to toggle into the camera feed over their radar map. If multiple team Camera Spikes have been placed in-game the camera feeds will have to be cycled through before returning back to the mini-map) (1 class point)
Tactical Insertion Pick your next re-spawn point. The player is able to deny their re-spawn on the Tac Insert if they so choose (similar to Black Ops). Disabled in FFA games (1 class point)
Portable Jammer Jams any local opponents placeable Equipment, placeable Support Awards, their electronic weapon attachments, and their mini-maps. The Jammer will hide players from being detection by opponent Lethal Aerial Scorestreak Awards. Also, any opponent who wonders into a jammed area will find they're not able to vocally communicate with his or her teammates or electronically call in a Scorestreak Award (1 class point)
Portable Radar A placeable local radar device which shows up on a player's and their teammate's mini-maps, but it will NOT create an auditory sound when detecting enemy movement like in MW3 (1 class point)
Heart Beat Sensor A mobile directional heart beat sensing device which is carried with you as a separate piece of equipment. Upon sensing an unknown heartbeat within its scanned range it will produce an auditory sound, but in order to view the devices screen to gain information on the possible whereabouts of the enemy a player will have to lower their weapon so that they can bring the screen into view, this action will create a period of vulnerability. Also, the speed at which the scan occurs should be closer to the one in MW3 rather than MW2 (1 class point)
Millimeter Scanner Activating it sends one pulse scan of the nearby area to identify enemy positions by silhouetting them for a set amount of time (only for the user). Also, after sending out a pulse it requires time to recharge before being able to send out another pulse (1 class point)
Smoke Screen Acts as a Throwing Item and produces a large smokescreen to inhibit sight. This thick cloud is not harmful to health (1 class point)
Tear Gas A placeable device that has a release trigger. When activated it will release a sizable gas cloud that causes extreme irritation to the eyes producing a blurring effect and being caught within it causes a progressive amount of damage to any player (friend or foe). It basically provides a temporary area of high risk for anyone to enter. The gas will restrict movement some too, but it will not be constant like the Concussion Grenade. Instead this movement restriction cycles on and off with the cumulative damage caused by the gas, similar to the effects from the Gas Grenade in Black Ops. This damage can and will kill players who are caught within it for a prolonged amount of time or to those who were wounded before entering it. The gas cloud itself will be semi-transparent and blur the background allowing someone outside of it to see through it, but not clearly (1 class point)
Claymore A destructive proximity explosive which has a directional (pie shaped) outward blast radius. Its very sensitive to enemy motion and has nearly no delay before exploding when tripped, similar to the Claymore in Black Ops (1 class point)
Bouncing Betty A less destructive proximity explosive, in comparison to the Claymore, but it has a blast radius that covers 360 degrees in one plane, yet is limited in others. It has a noticeable click sound when triggered and has an apparent delay caused by it's lifting up into the air before exploding which will allow someone to possibly avoid it by dropping to the floor. The Betties can be approached or gotten past without triggering by crawling (1 class point)
Trophy System Will deflect nearby explosives, but has limited capacity for doing so (only two discharges) (1 class point)
Black HAT PDA Allows user to hack enemy equipment turning them friendly. Approach enemy Claymores and Sentry Turrets from their backside when hacking them. Bouncing Betties can be hacked as well, but they must be approached by a crawl (1 class point)
Bandolier You will never run out of reserve ballistic ammunition for your (#1) Primary Weapon as it provides a limitless (infinite) supply (1 class point)
Duffel Bag Works very similarly to the MW2 OMA perk. The main difference between this equipment and MW2s OMA perk is that it will restrict the continuous replenishing of Lethal and Tactical Throwing Items, plus because its an equipment option it cannot be used with any type of Launcher, which is also equipment, and modular weaponry attachments that would fall under the Warlord equipment. Not-to-mention, when class switching occurs by this equipment the original class's Support Awards will remain as does the current amount of Support points. Just to clarify... if the original custom class with the Duffel Bag equipment was to have the Assassin Support Point Package and some of the selected perks were the same as the default perks of the custom class that was being switched to then there would be a duplication of that perk, but this duplication would not provide any doubled or special ability (1 class point)
Combat Mask Will reduce a players head multiplier. Its benefit comes at the cost of having no available mini-map and a bit of tunnel vision. The mask is capable of being toggled on and off, giving it a similar trait to the MW2 Blast Shield (1 class point)
Launcher A Launcher may have one of two firing modes or even both, a free firing mode and a lock-on mode. When selecting this equipment you will be directed to purchase before you can choose your Launcher from a list (1 class point)
XM25 CDTE - a 4 shot magazine fed air burst grenade launcher that comes with an additional clip. The trajectory of the explosive rounds are straight with nearly no drop and the radius and lethality of the exploding rounds are smaller than what the M320 under-barrel Grenade Launcher produces
Milkor MGL - a repeating 6-shot grenade launcher with no reserve rounds. These rounds will introduce a curved trajectory and the explosive radius of these grenades are the same as the rounds found on the XM25
RPG-7V2 x2 - a free firing only launcher, character movement restriction is affected by the launchers weight, rockets show some movement when traveling
SMAW II x2 - another free firing only launcher, slightly heavier than the RPGs which slows a character's movement, but it fires rockets straighter then the RPG
AT4 x1 - a free firing and anti-aerial lock-on launcher. Also, can lock-on to mobile enemy ground devices such as the Assault Drone and RC/XD. Has a similar weight to the RPG
FGM-148 Javelin x1 - a ground location lock-on and anti-aerial lock-on launcher. It can also lock-on to mobile enemy ground devices (Assault Drone & RC/XD) and when fired the trajectory of the rocket will travel directly at the device, where as the normal trajectory will cause the rocket to shoot skywards before dropping down on it's target. Has similar weight as SMAW
FIM-92 Stinger x2 - an anti-aerial lock-on launcher only, similar weight as the SMAW & Javelin.
Warlord This becomes a default equipment choice whenever a modular weaponry attachment is chosen such as the Grenade Launcher, Masterkey or Bayonet. The point here is too remove Equipment as a resource option when equipping basically a third weapon by means of a modular weaponry attachment to your primary weapon
THROWING ITEMS:
Lethal: Only one slot is available, unless the Danger Close Wildcard is used (Danger Close does not allow for two different types of Lethal throwing items, only doubling-up)
Fragmentation Grenade x1 A timed fuse grenade which can be cooked and is designed to disperse shrapnel upon exploding. It allows for good throwing range and it has a slightly bigger blast radius and damage amount then the Semtex (1 class point)
Semtex Grenade x1 A set timer sticky grenade that cannot be cooked, though the timer which does begin once it's released from the hand is shorter than the Frag's fuse. It has a shorter throwing range and slightly smaller blast radius size than the Frag grenade (1 class point)
Incendiary Grenade x1 A contact detonation grenade which produces intense heat by means of a chemical reaction. Similar throwing range as the Semtex, but it has the smallest blast radius size, yet it will cause a very high amount of damage within that radius (1 class point)
C4 x1 A remote detonation explosive which can be tossed by the player. The throwing range is by far the smallest of all the Lethal Throwing Items, but its explosive radius is the biggest. Quick detonation can occur by tapping the reload button twice really fast (1 class point)
Hatchet x1 Similar to Black Opss Tomahawk. One hit kill capability and can be picked back up (1 class point)
Tactical: Only two slots are available, unless the Tactician Wildcard is used which simply turns the Lethal throwing item slot(s) into additional Tactical slots
Concussion Grenade x1 Detonates on contact. The detonation will create a minor amount of visual discomfort on top of a ton of auditory discomfort which helps immobilize opponents, restricting their movement speeds. The blast will actually have a smaller radius in which it can cause a minor amount of damage to nearby enemies, and a greater radius in which it inflicts it's sensory and movement effects onto opponents. The effect radius will be lesser than the effect radius caused by the Flashbang Grenade, however, the prep time for throwing this grenade is ever so slightly quicker than that of the Flashbang Grenade and it can be thrown further because it detonates on impact (1 class point)
Flashbang x1 A fuse time will detonate the grenade after a period of time once it is released from a player's hand. Detonation creates a flash of bright light which makes vision impossible or near impossible for a period of time depending on where a person is from the blast point. The blast, has a very small radius in which it can cause a tiny amount of damage to nearby enemy, but the visual and audio effect it causes will expand to a radius that is larger then all other Tactical Grenades. The prep time for the Flashbang should be on pair with what was used in MW3 (1 class point)
Mini-EMP Grenade x1 Detonates after a period of time once released from a player's hand. Detonation sends a burst of electromagnetic energy into the local atmosphere which will destroy placeable enemy equipment, placeable enemy Support Awards, and if lucky even some low flying/hovering air borne Support Awards. Though, the burst will only temporarily disable other enemy electronics such as electronic weapon attachments, voice communications, and the ability to use or call forth earned Support Awards. The grenade's blast radius is the smallest of all the Tactical Grenades, but it will cause a slight amount of damage if caught to close to the blast. The prep time is faster than the Concussion Grenade, but in all honestly all the Tactical Grenades aren't that much different from one another in prep time (1 class point)
Shock Grenade x1 Will stick to most surfaces. Releases an electric charge when it detonates which temporarily leaving enemies caught in its proximity unable to move or fire at all. The length of time the shock effect holds an opponent is less then the slowing down effect of the Concussion Grenade and causes almost no visual effect (1 class point)
Sensor Grenade x1 Detonates on impact. Opponents caught within the grenade's blast radius will be tagged for active tracking for up to 12 seconds, similar to how the Recon perk provided active tracking on opponents in MW3 (1 class point)
DEATHSTREAKS: They can all work in succession but they're benefits won't compile, however, each must be purchased (unlocked) and selected in order to have them all work together (1 class point)
Juiced Gives a 25% speed boost to the player when re-spawned, lasts for 5 seconds (3 deaths)
Revenge Provides a delayed indicator above the head of the enemy that killed the player after they re-spawn. It can been seen through walls and everything, but it will disappear after the player earns a kill or after 10 seconds (4 deaths)
Martyrdom Drop a live Frag grenade upon death (5 deaths)
Hollow Points On re-spawn a player is provided an increase to their ballistic damage (1.4x), but the boost will end after a kill is earned (6 deaths)
Protection Provides the user a Ballistic Vest on re-spawn (7 deaths) -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - --- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- Das Boot An automatic Deathstreak that ALL players have (don't need to use a point toward Deathstreaks) and it's only enabled for team based games. It will basically boot the player from the game back to their own lobby. A couple reasons why this automatic boot Deathstreak is reasonable... (1) It can be viewed as another method of preventing player boosting, and (2) removing an extremely bad player from a game can make the difference between a team losing and a team winning (12 deaths)
SCORESTREAKS: The listed Scorestreaks below are just ideas, actual Scorestreaks should match in ideal fashion to the theme of the CoD game.
Assault Package Awards: Stack-able
Personal Spy Predator Deploys a medium altitude RQ-1 Predator surveillance UAV to sweep scan the battlefield to reveal enemy locations, but only to the user's mini-map. It does not carry any flares for missile defense (300 Points)
RCC A remote controlled mobile ground unit rigged with a video camera and C4 that's ready to be detonated manually. It cannot drive up stairs (350 Points)
Hunter Killer Airborne drone that seeks out and destroys a nearby target (400 Points)
Guardian Projects microwave field which stuns and impairs enemies. Arrives via a dropped package (450 Points)
Care Package A CH-47 Chinook cargo helicopter air drops a care package which contains a random Assault or Assist Support Award within it, excludes the Escort Airdrop (500 Points)
Intelligent Munitions Systems (IMS) An anti-personal explosive device that works similarly to a Bouncing Betty except that it cannot be placed on walls and it provides a true 360 degree explosive blast radius. It arrives via a dropped package (550 Points)
Hellfire Missile Fires one user controlled AGM-114 Hellfire missile from a MQ-9 Reaper UAV that can be scattered into a cluster bomb when falling (600 Points)
Artillery Strikes It strikes three different areas on the map, each selected before the strike is called in (650 Points)
Eagle Strike Direction control a strategic F-15E Strike Eagle airstrike. A bombing run of three F-15E Strike Eagles which lay waste to an area of the map (700 Points)
Sentry Turret An automated Minigun Turret which can also be remotely controlled. Arrives via a dropped package (750 Points)
Death Machine Your own personal handheld mini-gun (800 Points)
Dragonfire A user controlled aerial hover drone equipped with a 150-round Submachine gun and rigged to explode manually (self destruct capability). User will operate remotely viewing through a mounted camera (850 Points)
Assault Drone A user controlled ground drone equipped with a 150-round MK46 LMG and a single shot rocket launcher. User will operate remotely viewing through a mounted camera (900 Points)
Viper Attack – Calls in a AH-1Z Viper attack helicopter for ground support, has lethality closer to that from Call of Duty 4s helicopter. It carries a flare for defense (950 Points)
AGR Air drop an autonomous ground robot that searches for and destroys enemies and can be remote controlled (1000 Points)
Spirit Bomber Direction control a B2 Spirit large carpet bombing, which should extend across the entire map. Also, the B2 bomber is a stealth bomber so it will not show up on enemy mini-maps (1050 Points)
Stealth Chopper Deploys heavily mounted stealth helicopter equipped with one flare for defense against guided missiles (1100 Points)
Reaper Call in a MQ-9 Reaper UAV that's equipped with two flares for defense against guided missiles. This award allows the user to manually spot targets from the air and launch Predator Missiles at them. However, these AGMs will be laser-guided from the Reapers camera, instead of an on-board missile camera and it will have a payload of 14 total Predator Missiles (1150 Points)
Juggernaut Provides the user an enhanced body armor suit along with an M60E4 LMG and a handgun. Arrives via a dropped package (1200 Points)
Spooky Gunship Rotate between manning all three cannons on an AC-130U "Spooky", a single 25mm GAU-12 Equalizer, a Bofors 40mm auto-cannon, and one 105mm M102 cannon, with two flares for defense against guided missiles. You will also have the ability to control the speed in which the Aircraft circles the battlefield (1250 Points)
VTOL Warship Full control of an VTOL warship (1300 Points)
Canine Unit Unleashes an amount of Attack Dogs equal to the number of enemies on the other team onto the battlefield for a set time period, with the total number of dogs including those in reserve equaling 12. Example: 4 enemies = 4 dogs on the battlefield with 9 in reserve, 6 enemies = 6 dogs on the battlefield with 6 in reserve, or 9 enemies = 9 dogs on the battlefield with 3 in reserve. These Attack Dogs are "one-hit-kill" like in Black Ops (1400 Points)
Swarm Calls in a swarm of lethal Hunter Killer drones that search and destroy enemies (1500 Points)
Assist Package Awards: Non-stack-able
Team Spy Predator Deploys a medium altitude RQ-1 Predator surveillance UAV to sweep scan the battlefield to reveal enemy locations. It does not carry any flares for missile defense (400 Points)
EWA Deploys an EC-130J Commando Solo, an Electronic Warfare Aircraft (EWA), which jams all enemy radars (mini-maps) for its flight duration. It does not carry any flares for missile defense (600 Points) Airdrop Trap A dummy Care Package that will explode upon opening (600 Points)
Ballistic Vests A package that contains Ballistic Vests to teammates. The vests will provide a defensive buff (800 Points) SAM Turret A Surface-to-Air Turret which shoots down most enemy airborne Scorestreak Awards (800 Points)
Care Package A CH-47 Chinook cargo helicopter air drops a care package which contains a random Assault or Assist Scorestreak award within it, excludes the Escort Airdrop (1000 Points) Spy Hawk Deploys a high-altitude RQ-4 Global Hawk surveillance UAV which will sweep scan the battlefield revealing enemy locations and their movement direction to the whole team. This UAV does not carry any flares for missile defense (1000 Points)
Advanced EWA Deploys a high-altitude Electronic Warfare Aircraft (EWA), which jams all enemy radars (mini-maps) for its flight duration. This aircraft can be shot down, but it carries a flare for missile defense (1200 Points) Recon Drone A small user controlled helicopter UAV that can fly around the map and Tag enemy players for real-time tracking, minus a directional indicator. The active-tracking will last for 16 seconds (1200 Points)
Dragon Lady Deploys a U2 "Dragon Lady" reconnaissance aircraft which will sweep scan the battlefield revealing enemy locations and their movement direction to the whole team. It carries 2 flares for missile defense (1400 Points)
Juggernaut Recon An enhanced Juggernaut armor suit equipped with a Riot Shield and a USP .45 handgun. Arrives via a dropped package (1600 Points)
Escort Airdrop Deploys a V-22 Osprey which drops four random care packages and goes on for a temporary period of time to provide cover fire from above (1800 Points)
Orbital BFT (Blue Force Tracker) Deploys a global position satellite uplink for real-time tracking, including directional indications, of enemy positions. It can NOT be shot down (similar to SR71), however an EMP can destroy the uplink and an EWA or local radar Jammer (equipment) will provide different measures of intel interference. The active-tracking will last for 48 seconds (2000 Points) Dirty Bomb Launch an dirty bomb which emits an Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) that destroys and prevents enemy Support Awards and it disables the enemies' HUD, radar and any other device that uses electronics, lasts for 54 seconds (2000 Points)
Special Award:
M.O.A.B. The Mother of all Bombs is a special award because it becomes available to anyone who can earn 25 kills themselves without dying regardless to the type of package they are using. The M.O.A.B. will instantly become available after achieving the 25 kills and after a brief countdown it will wipe-out the opposing team and any active Scorestreaks they have in play. It does not act as an end-game award. (25 Kills with Primary and Secondary weapons without dying)
WEAPONS: (in general terms)
Primaries:
Submachine guns & Personal Defense Weapons - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (provides the best primary movement speeds, not quite as good as the secondaries though), has pretty good hip-fire accuracy, very low amount of ADS sway, can do low to medium-high damage up close depending on the bullet caliber, but at a pretty short distance the damage tones down to a very small damage amount, very high rates of fire, fast reload times, variable clip sizes and low bullet penetration (full auto)
Shotguns - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely provide better than average movement speeds), so-so hip-fire accuracy but shot spread creates efficient accuracy numbers, medium-low-ish ADS sway, can do massive damage up close and tails off at around medium-close distance till their is no more damage at all, reload times may vary, various clip sizes, and low shot penetration (pump action, semi-auto, full auto, & lever action) *To note: Sight attachments for Shotguns increase the weapon's minimum damage range slightly when ADSing, but has no effect on their max damage range
Assault Rifles & Carbines - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely provide average movement speeds), somewhat decent hip-fire accuracy, medium to low-ish ADS sway, can do medium damage up close, has better range than submachine guns, good rates of fire, decent reload times, average clip sizes and medium bullet penetration (full auto)
Battle Rifles & Designated Marksman Rifles - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely provide slightly less than average movement speeds), not-so-good hip-fire accuracy, medium ADS sway, can do huge damage up close, some may have increased body multipliers, has very good range, medium rates of fire, decent reload times, most clip sizes should be less than those found with Assault Rifles, and large bullet penetration (semi-auto burst & single shot weapons)
Light & Heavy Machine Guns - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely provide medium-slow to slow movement speeds), poor hip-fire accuracy, medium-heavy ADS sway (all HMGs come default with the bi-pod attachment which heavily reduce ADS sway when prone), can do medium to big damages at most ranges, some may receive a body multiplier increase, varying rates of fire, very slow to medium-slow reload times, largish to very large magazine clip sizes, medium to large bullet penetration (full auto)
Sniper & Anti-Material Rifles - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely allow for less than average movement speeds), very poor hip-fire accuracy, medium heavy ADS sway (some come default with bi-pod attachments which heavily reduce ADS sway when prone and others will have it as a possible attachment), can do devastating amounts of damage at all ranges, big body multipliers, medium to medium-slow reload times, magazine clip sizes vary but tend to be on the smaller side except a few, large to extreme bullet penetration (bolt action and semi-auto)
Riot Shield and/or Assault Shield? - need to see more from the Assault Shield to determine if it's a good replacement for the Riot Shield or if they both should be offered as options
Secondaries:
Handguns (Pistols & Revolvers) - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely have the best movement speeds by far), has pretty good hip-fire accuracy, very little ADS sway, damage up close varies by caliber but so does the recoil and distance, typical semi-auto firing rates, various reload times, small-ish clip sizes and various bullet penetration with the majority being low however the bigger caliber bullets will see an increase in penetration (semi-auto)
Machine Pistols - movement speeds based off of the firearm's weight (will likely provide some of the best movement speeds, rivaling the Pistols and Revolvers), has pretty good hip-fire accuracy, very little ADS sway, damage up close varies by caliber but so does the recoil and distance, typical semi-auto firing rates, various reload times, small-ish clip sizes and various bullet penetration with the majority being low. These should be less effective in almost every manner in comparison to Submachine guns (full auto and 3-round burst)
Crossbow - one hit kill weapon, movement speeds based off of the weight, less than ideal hip-fire accuracy, low-ish ADS sway, medium reload time, but a round must be loaded after every shot, variable penetration level based on distance
No Weapon Selected:
Combat Knife - It's in-hand, and at the ready, so it has nearly 0 delay when used, plus it has a quicker cool-down period (animation), a slightly better lunge range and can use the fire button (trigger)
Re: Ideas for a future MW game « Reply #1 on Feb 17, 2011, 2:43am »
I'm against the return of jugg and danger close, as well as Ghost's semi transparent ability.
I'd rather have scavenger than pack rat and CoD4s ammo sharing. It makes scavenger more valuable.
You know what? I'm gonna go on record here and say that I liked how Ninja pro countered Sitrep Pro in MW2. Everyone complained about Sitrep not countering Ninja, but I see it the other way. Ninja counters sitrep, and I like it.
I'm not down with the camera spike, motion sensor, or revive kit.
I see no reason to bring deathstreaks back. One of the few things Blops has done right.
I say nay to the tank.
Lose BO's money purchasing system, it sucks.
I could care less about more customization.
I would like a combination of MW2s emblem/title system as well as a better Blops emblem creator... There are emblems you earn, or after a prestige or something, you can create your own.
Improve on theater mode (think Halo here, but with Blops ability to put multiple clips into one)
Care less about contracts
Just remove the knife... as well as melee entirely. It really isn't necessary. If you won't do that do a 60 damage primary weapon melee and a 100 damage Pistol whip melee. Snipers and LMGs can't melee unless they swap to their pistol.
I don't miss Sway.
Dedicated servers uh huh, yup, of course.
If you can't tell, all I really want is a tweaked MW2 with theater. And like 60 maps. That would be great.
I'm against the return of jugg and danger close, as well as Ghost's semi transparent ability.
I'd rather have scavenger than pack rat and CoD4s ammo sharing. It makes scavenger more valuable.
You know what? I'm gonna go on record here and say that I liked how Ninja pro countered Sitrep Pro in MW2. Everyone complained about Sitrep not countering Ninja, but I see it the other way. Ninja counters sitrep, and I like it.
I'm not down with the camera spike, motion sensor, or revive kit.
I see no reason to bring deathstreaks back. One of the few things Blops has done right.
I say nay to the tank.
Lose BO's money purchasing system, it sucks.
I could care less about more customization.
I would like a combination of MW2s emblem/title system as well as a better Blops emblem creator... There are emblems you earn, or after a prestige or something, you can create your own.
Improve on theater mode (think Halo here, but with Blops ability to put multiple clips into one)
Care less about contracts
Just remove the knife... as well as melee entirely. It really isn't necessary. If you won't do that do a 60 damage primary weapon melee and a 100 damage Pistol whip melee. Snipers and LMGs can't melee unless they swap to their pistol.
I don't miss Sway.
Dedicated servers uh huh, yup, of course.
If you can't tell, all I really want is a tweaked MW2 with theater. And like 60 maps. That would be great.
No Commando and consistent lag compensation for consistent knife range, it sucks to be Reflex Bladed, but in most of those situations, you could have easily knifed first. I actually like Cod's melee insta kill, snipers should be able to melee just to give them something when caught with their pants down.
Also, currency system is fine, leveling system is fine, joint currency/leveling system is no bueno. Pick one. Other than that I pretty much agree, except for SitRep, it should make a Ninja user sound normal, I only say this because I like Ninja as a perk choice but it was too dominant in MW2 outside of Commando.
Re: Ideas for a future MW game « Reply #3 on Feb 17, 2011, 3:53am »
[quote author=mw0swedeking board=nonsense thread=2704 post=41838 time=1297928593 Improve on theater mode (think Halo here, but with Blops ability to put multiple clips into one)
[/quote] Not to mention saving films and clips to the hard drive.
Re: Ideas for a future MW game « Reply #4 on Feb 17, 2011, 11:13am »
@ Swoop- snipers could still melee, they just have to swap to their pistol to do it. It becomes a two button press melee, basically. And I don't like the knife, because more often than not I feel like I DID knife first, it just comes down to a connection battle.
Also, I was suggesting combining Blops and MW2s emblem system, not leveling system. I definitely want the MW2 leveling system. To clarify on the emblem system, One of the emblems you could unlock would be a Custom Emblem. Like Black Ops, but better. Forza drool face. And I recognize ninja being a dominant perk, I just liked it that way.
@Chips- Pretty much exactly the feature I want most
Re: Ideas for a future MW game « Reply #5 on Feb 17, 2011, 12:29pm »
Agree on some points, totally disagree on others, and somewhere in the middle on the rest.
Knifing as it is in BLops sucks. It just does. If you don't think so, go play BC2 or something and see how it SHOULD be (obviously just my opinion). I agree with the idea of tweaking it, but not with what you've done mechanically. It's just too complicated. All that needs to be done (broken record here) is to make it a two hit kill anywhere from the front, or to make it a weapon that has to be switched to. Even BC2's knifing system is superior, in that it takes about a second for the actual animation to go off, where you draw your knife and stick it in... This addition of a little time before the kill makes knifing much harder to use. It's also pretty directional in that you don't have a 270 degree "Hit" window like you do in BLops.
I gotta say, I really like the idea of some kind of armored vehicle as a perk, but NOT AS A PLAYABLE OPTION. CoD does not do vehicles, and SHOULD not do vehicles. But the idea of calling in an Abrams that proceeds to bust through a wall somewhere and then cover a specific area before getting blown up by an "airstrike" (just a timer) or repeated RPGs sounds awesome to me.
Don't like Pack Rat, and prefer BLops system of ammo replenishment because it makes Scavenger a very useful perk... Although I wouldn't mind the concept of STARTING ammo being increased if you were to use the same ammo type between primary and secondary? It would be pretty rare, but doing something like UMP + USP .45 should start you with more ammo.
Agree on some points, totally disagree on others, and somewhere in the middle on the rest.
Really? When you have the time could you elaborate on which ones because I'm interested to get a feeling for what this community thinks of these changes.
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Knifing as it is in BLops sucks. It just does. If you don't think so, go play BC2 or something and see how it SHOULD be (obviously just my opinion). I agree with the idea of tweaking it, but not with what you've done mechanically. It's just too complicated. All that needs to be done (broken record here) is to make it a two hit kill anywhere from the front, or to make it a weapon that has to be switched to. Even BC2's knifing system is superior, in that it takes about a second for the actual animation to go off, where you draw your knife and stick it in... This addition of a little time before the kill makes knifing much harder to use. It's also pretty directional in that you don't have a 270 degree hit window like you do in BLops.
Glad to see we agree that the melee system as is has to go and if my idea is indeed way to complicated for developers to implement then I suppose a delay to the meleeing, removing the lunge entirely or nearly entirely and greatly lessening the hit window would be at least a few ways to help lessen the effectiveness of the melee system as a panic go-to button, but I still would love to see some sort of assassination animation coupled with customization and a bonus points reward system for those types of kills.
I've incorporated a version of this idea into the notes listings as an alternative to the first melee change idea.
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I gotta say, I really like the idea of some kind of armored vehicle as a perk, but NOT AS A PLAYABLE OPTION. CoD does not do vehicles, and SHOULD not do vehicles. But the idea of calling in an Abrams that proceeds to bust through a wall somewhere and then cover a specific area before getting blown up by an "airstrike" (just a timer) or repeated RPGs sounds awesome to me.
CoD has done vehicles before (WaW) and I thought they did a decent job implementing them into the game, but I did think they were available to often... should have had the spawn times changed. That's why I thought that as a possible rare killstreak reward it could be implemented perfectly, but as I said it could only appear for specific large maps designed to allow a vehicle like that to roam around.
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Don't like Pack Rat, and prefer BLops system of ammo replenishment because it makes Scavenger a very useful perk... Although I wouldn't mind the concept of STARTING ammo being increased if you were to use the same ammo type between primary and secondary? It would be pretty rare, but doing something like UMP + USP .45 should start you with more ammo.
The ammo replenishment thing I go back and forth on which is why I list it as I do. I do agree that shared ammunition among Primaries and Secondaries should compile into one amount of reserve ammo.
Re: Ideas for a future MW game « Reply #7 on Feb 17, 2011, 4:50pm »
Why does everyone feel the need to have both SP and Jugg in? One is fine. The purpose of a perk is to give a distinct advantage. You "counter" that advantage with an entirely different and unrelated advantage of your own. With just SP, the counter to SP is SP. With Jugg and SP, the counter to SP is essentially SP 2.0. That's all jugg is, it is a second version of SP. Just does the exact same thing in a different way. Except that it is unbalanced because it completely makes snipers obsolete while still maintaining a fair fight against automatics.
Why does everyone feel the need to have both SP and Jugg in? One is fine. The purpose of a perk is to give a distinct advantage. You "counter" that advantage with an entirely different and unrelated advantage of your own. With just SP, the counter to SP is SP. With Jugg and SP, the counter to SP is essentially SP 2.0. That's all jugg is, it is a second version of SP. Just does the exact same thing in a different way. Except that it is unbalanced because it completely makes snipers obsolete while still maintaining a fair fight against automatics.
I understand what you're saying but a couple of things that perhaps you didn't fully take in when going through the descriptions...
Even though you could in essence counter SP with SP you'd be restricted to the linear benefits of that perk in order to accomplish that. I will say that in the previous versions of COD games which sported these perks without any kind of Pro version of them that the balance was also simply another version of linear countering but at least they provided a second means of countering and depending on the circumstances you were in perhaps that version of the balance worked out to your benefit. Example: if the benefit came down to being able to take one more bullet than would have been required then perhaps that one extra shot helps someone arm a bomb, grab a territory, cap a flag, finish a kill on someone else or simply absorbing more damage and take more of your opponents time or focus. However, now with the addition of Pro versions of these perks that "different" benefit becomes logical reasons and non-linear benefits as to why you as a player with options may want to choose one Perk over the another when you know that they essentially are meant to counter each other in a basic numbers way.
Bringing back these top tier perks (IMO) by tweaking them and the rest of the game in a way which properly balances them amongst themselves so that all they're really doing is simply offering more options to customize and tailor your game play style doesn't destroy the integrity of the game. In fact it will only enrich the depth of the game by providing more options to fit the various scenarios you may encounter in all the different game types which can be played. This brings me to your last statement which concluded with the Juggernaut Perk leaves Sniper Rifles irrelevant, but had you of read the description you would have seen that headshots would have been unaffected by Juggernaut's benefits. So, perhaps this simply means that Snipers will have to be more conscience about where they're aiming and will reduce players from running around super aggressively with Sniper rifles. I honestly don't see how people with a reasonable outlook and logical thinking can't see how these top tier perks serve simply to create a balancing amongst play styles and class setup options.
A key thing to keep in mind when making statements such as "something is Overpowered or Underpowered" doesn't necessarily mean that said perk, weapon, whatever is in fact over powered, but that it's likely a popular thing which warrants statistical analysis to uncover any possible overwhelming advantages. Only through facts can things such as Overpower vs Underpowered be truly determined. This statement is not an attack on your comment natsuterran, but is a comment I'm making because I often see too many people emotionally driven to make bold statements such as the OP & UP ones.
Re: Ideas for a future MW game « Reply #9 on Feb 17, 2011, 6:30pm »
Here are some of my thoughts:
-Sway must be re-introduced. Snipers are too easy to kill at a range because there is no sway. SMGs should have higher sway than ARs, but not by much. LMGs should have lower sway than ARs, but not by much. Shotguns should have no sway if they are not vastly reworked.
-If SP and Jugg return, then they must have some sort of drawback. I feel that they are too powerful without drawbacks.
-Knifing is too powerful. It does not need to be scrapped, but it must have all lunge removed. A delay must be put in place to prevent a person from knifing immediately when shot. A knife should not win a gun fight, ever. It must also be slowed down just slightly.
-If body multipliers were implemented. Then only full-auto and burst-fire weapons should have them. What I would suggest is that the limbs gain a body multiplier of 0.75, in order to encourage proper aiming.
Re: Logical ideas for a future MW game « Reply #12 on Feb 18, 2011, 1:55am »
I'd rather everyone has HBS on their guns by default than allow anyone to go semi transparent or have octo camo.
It's not Metal Gear, hiding is not a part of the game.
EDIT: But to be fair, I never had a problem with the HBS anyway. But still, not Metal Gear. Anyone notice how Blops has especially dark corners? It's like Treyarch employees are all vicious corner campers. People are practically invisible there, and it's gay as freak.
I've heard people suggest essentially the opposite, that players should start to glow if they don't move enough, often enough. That's definitely too far, and wouldn't really work (either campers would just move a little while they waited or defensive players would get hit by the glow as well, unjustly IMO). What I'm saying is that this idea would be very poorly recieved by the community.
« Last Edit: Feb 18, 2011, 1:59am by mw0swedeking »
*enters thread* *sees SP, Juggs, and DC* *leaves thread*
This. The thread looks really thought out, but it's hard to support any system that returns even one of those perks in any form.
Edit: Reading through it and:
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Die Hard Player drops and pulls out their pistol before bleeding out (jump button will become a call-out-for-help button to the player's team) Die Hard Pro Ability to use all your available weapons and removes the bleed out timer
Great idea, mang. Let's give people permanent final stand as a second-tier perk. The hell are you smoking?
Die Hard Player drops and pulls out their pistol before bleeding out (jump button will become a call-out-for-help button to the player's team) Die Hard Pro Ability to use all your available weapons and removes the bleed out timer
Great idea, mang. Let's give people permanent final stand as a second-tier perk. The hell are you smoking?
They would still require a revival from a teammate, but it would be up to the players discretion to wait for that revive. Besides these are simply starting points for ideas, these are just the beginnings of an open dialog to discuss optimizing the ideas for a game in the future. My concern was that the perk needed to offer something pretty substantial in order for it to be desired in replacement of one of the other Tier 2 perks, however, now that you mention it perhaps removing the bleed out timer is taking it too far, so with that new outlook I'll adjust it
I don't see why you'd have to take a position like this when you can alter bullet damage in the real world by altering a gun to fire different types of bullets and bullet's are different in mass, diameter, material, and the way their designed in order to alter their stopping power.
Same thing can be argued for protective clothing to be worn in battle.
Jugg and SP don't have to go, they just need to be adjusted properly for game play optimization and the game itself around those two perks should also be adjusted to accommodate those two perks without making them overpowered .
The best idea for a balanced CoD is to have zero involvement from Treyarch.
That's just hate speech. Treyarch is a good game developer... the biggest problem with Black Ops was with the fact that the game got released with plenty of issues which needed to be fixed, but we don't know if the game was rushed to ship because of external pressures from Activision to get the game out and decisions like corrections can be implemented on the fly. Though, isolating Treyarch for these kinds of things isn't a fair stance when Infinity Ward also dealt with similar problems when releasing Modern Warfare 2.
Fact is balancing in these games is never as bad as people make it out to be and it will never be perfect enough for everyone either.
I'd rather everyone has HBS on their guns by default than allow anyone to go semi transparent or have octo camo.
It's not Metal Gear, hiding is not a part of the game.
EDIT: But to be fair, I never had a problem with the HBS anyway. But still, not Metal Gear. Anyone notice how Blops has especially dark corners? It's like Treyarch employees are all vicious corner campers. People are practically invisible there, and it's gay as freak.
I've heard people suggest essentially the opposite, that players should start to glow if they don't move enough, often enough. That's definitely too far, and wouldn't really work (either campers would just move a little while they waited or defensive players would get hit by the glow as well, unjustly IMO). What I'm saying is that this idea would be very poorly recieved by the community.
First your stance on the Heartbeat Sensor I will never understand. The device was a joke as it was planned to work... reading enemy heart beats? Really?
However I always thought that had the COD series decided to remove the mini map on the screen (HUD) they could implement it in a way like the Heartbeat Sensor, where the mini map would be viewable on an electrical device attached to your weapon, but that might just be something that's completely unnecessary. In any case removing the Heartbeat Sensor was needed as it simply didn't fit the game's environment because it's an un-existing technology that will never exist as it worked in the game.
As far as your concern with the semi-transparency of the Ghost perk, I see where your coming from when you say that it serves to encourage tactical loitering. The idea that was intended was one that would have helped Snipers to blend in better with their surrounding when attempting to use the sniper rifles as are meant to be used, but I have to admit that the advantage could or would likely get abused by players who will want to simply hide or camp in darker corners of rooms or whatnot and ruin the game's gameplay. So I will take that part of the perk out as you're not the first to mention that as a serious concern backed with logical examples for reasons. Though I do want to clarify that I never envisioned the transparency of the perk providing much of a transparency... I was thinking like 10%, hardly enough to make someone unnoticeable if you really looked at them, but with that in mind then what's the point, right? ...so its gone. Thanks for your feedback.
I'd rather everyone has HBS on their guns by default than allow anyone to go semi transparent or have octo camo.
It's not Metal Gear, hiding is not a part of the game.
EDIT: But to be fair, I never had a problem with the HBS anyway. But still, not Metal Gear. Anyone notice how Blops has especially dark corners? It's like Treyarch employees are all vicious corner campers. People are practically invisible there, and it's gay as freak.
I've heard people suggest essentially the opposite, that players should start to glow if they don't move enough, often enough. That's definitely too far, and wouldn't really work (either campers would just move a little while they waited or defensive players would get hit by the glow as well, unjustly IMO). What I'm saying is that this idea would be very poorly recieved by the community.
First your stance on the Heartbeat Sensor I will never understand. The device was a joke as it was planned to work... reading enemy heart beats? Really?
However I always thought that had the COD series decided to remove the mini map on the screen (HUD) they could implement it in a way like the Heartbeat Sensor, where the mini map would be viewable on an electrical device attached to your weapon, but that might just be something that's completely unnecessary. In any case removing the Heartbeat Sensor was needed as it simply didn't fit the game's environment because it's an un-existing technology that will never exist as it worked in the game.
As far as your concern with the semi-transparency of the Ghost perk, I see where your coming from when you say that it serves to encourage tactical loitering. The idea that was intended was one that would have helped Snipers to blend in better with their surrounding when attempting to use the sniper rifles as are meant to be used, but I have to admit that the advantage could or would likely get abused by players who will want to simply hide or camp in darker corners of rooms or whatnot and ruin the game's gameplay. So I will take that part of the perk out as you're not the first to mention that as a serious concern backed with logical examples for reasons. Though I do want to clarify that I never envisioned the transparency of the perk providing much of a transparency... I was thinking like 10%, hardly enough to make someone unnoticeable if you really looked at them, but with that in mind then what's the point, right? ...so its gone. Thanks for your feedback.
They have prototypical Heartbeat Sensors in real life, now they're complex machines that have to be carried (not mounted on a rifle) and only display heartbeats (they pick up audible vibrations on a range, the heartbeat was chosen because that's only found in living things), so the current issue is that if you use it, there's no way to tell if you're picking up civilians, targets, or animals and the tagging system still has kinks (your squad mates would wear tags to differentiate themselves on the sensor).
The greatest thing that will help snipers at this point is just to develop maps that they can take advantage of their weapon, being really really far away is usually pretty good camouflage.
Also, mmm, can't wait to be a Ghost using Sniper and go against a Juggernaut+Die Hard user.
That's just hate speech. Treyarch is a good game developer... the biggest problem with Black Ops was with the fact that the game got released with plenty of issues which needed to be fixed, but we don't know if the game was rushed to ship because of external pressures from Activision to get the game out and decisions like corrections can be implemented on the fly. Though, isolating Treyarch for these kinds of things isn't a fair stance when Infinity Ward also dealt with similar problems when releasing Modern Warfare 2.
Fact is balancing in these games is never as bad as people make it out to be and it will never be perfect enough for everyone either.
Maybe. I really would like to see their design philosophy in regards to the weapons, but without their perspective I'll remain convinced that it is just a way to considerably reduce the scope of gunplay.
As for other problems, these games get run on pretty tight dev cycles, I saw Vondehaar comment that he'd rather have 3 yrs to work with this.
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Re: Logical ideas for a future MW game « Reply #23 on Feb 18, 2011, 2:19pm »
Well my stance on the HBS is based in my not caring one bit if they do or do not exist. I do not play CoD for it's realism at all. To me the HBS actually turned out to be great, as it helps counter people running Commando, and is a decent way to be somewhat sure that their is not someone hiding around that next corner. As compared to the motion sensor, it benefits different playstyles equally. And Ninja (which is probably the best perk in it's tier anyway) makes it useless, so it's not a problem anyway. If someone's HBSing me, I switch to (or already am using more than likely) a Ninja class. It's not a problem at all from a gameplay perspective.
And as for snipers having a realistic role... I once again could care less for realism. If I'm not mistaken the true role of a Sniper is to take out targets (or maybe only a single target) at a very long distance, and then get the freak out of there. Like the mission in CoD4. It doesn't really work for CoD multiplayer. MW2 was awfully quick (I'm not gonna lie, I had fun with it), and I'd be fine with taking them back to CoD4 abilities, but doing much else to them I really am not a fan of.
Well my stance on the HBS is based in my not caring one bit if they do or do not exist. I do not play CoD for it's realism at all. To me the HBS actually turned out to be great, as it helps counter people running Commando, and is a decent way to be somewhat sure that their is not someone hiding around that next corner. As compared to the motion sensor, it benefits different playstyles equally. And Ninja (which is probably the best perk in it's tier anyway) makes it useless, so it's not a problem anyway. If someone's HBSing me, I switch to (or already am using more than likely) a Ninja class. It's not a problem at all from a gameplay perspective.
And as for snipers having a realistic role... I once again could care less for realism. If I'm not mistaken the true role of a Sniper is to take out targets (or maybe only a single target) at a very long distance, and then get the freak out of there. Like the mission in CoD4. It doesn't really work for CoD multiplayer. MW2 was awfully quick (I'm not gonna lie, I had fun with it), and I'd be fine with taking them back to CoD4 abilities, but doing much else to them I really am not a fan of.
Pretty much, the best way to help snipers is to make more big maps with open fields of fire and less of Black Ops claustrophobic map design.
As for other problems, these games get run on pretty tight dev cycles, I saw Vondehaar comment that he'd rather have 3 yrs to work with this.
Development should take as long as it needs to in order for the game to be 100% ready for public use before being released.
I also think that requires large scale testing, whether that's through a temporary public demo or by having to apply and be accepted for game testing, in either case it should be big enough to weed out issues like we've seen for the last two title launches.
They have prototypical Heartbeat Sensors in real life, now they're complex machines that have to be carried (not mounted on a rifle) and only display heartbeats (they pick up audible vibrations on a range, the heartbeat was chosen because that's only found in living things), so the current issue is that if you use it, there's no way to tell if you're picking up civilians, targets, or animals and the tagging system still has kinks (your squad mates would wear tags to differentiate themselves on the sensor).
I know what you're talking about and they're completely impractical for military mobility use, which means the idea is kind of ridiculous or it is to me anyways.
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The greatest thing that will help snipers at this point is just to develop maps that they can take advantage of their weapon, being really really far away is usually pretty good camouflage.
Ya, I agree with this a lot, as several large maps should be released specifically for Ground War games and in turn they will also provide large battlefields for sniper use even when those maps are used in the smaller team games. That's one of the things I liked a lot about Treyarch's World at War game, the size of some of their maps were perfect for using snipers and yet they were designed well enough that you could have success using submachine guns too.
I'm against the return of jugg and danger close, as well as Ghost's semi transparent ability.
I think with the right adjustments returning Jugg and DC can work better than they have in the past... I've addressed other comments about this before in this topic thread.
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I'd rather have scavenger than pack rat and CoD4s ammo sharing. It makes scavenger more valuable.
I have taken note of this as several people would rather not bring back the scavenging of similar types of ammunition for everyone... haven't decided on removing it off of the ideas list yet though.
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I'm not down with the camera spike, motion sensor, or revive kit.
The Medic Kit idea should go away when / if there isn't a perk like Die Hard and I'm seriously considering getting ride of that idea. As for the Camera Spike, I like the idea of it, I don't personally use it in Black Ops, but others may like using it (I know it has been used to win a game or two against my team in SnD before) and why not have it as an option for others to choose from? Just because we don't choose to use it doesn't mean it should just be discarded. The motion sensor I like and I dislike, I like it because it's not portable, meaning if you want to use it you have to place it down, leaving you vulnerable for that period of time and then if you want to take it with you for later use somewhere else you have to pick it up again. I dislike it because it does encourage tactical loitering, but with the fact that the Ninja class straight up counters its ability to pick up on you and you can usually locate people with the Hacker perk, it at least losses some of its effectiveness in helping someone camp, not to mention if you have Hacker on then you can usually get an easy grenade kill because their likely nearby that device.
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I see no reason to bring deathstreaks back. One of the few things Blops has done right.
Man you're another one of those people who show no mercy or remorse for those who are getting their asses handed to them. That's the only reason those perks are there, to give them a chance to get out of bad spawns, try to turn there fortunes around maybe for just a sec. To be honest I don't think these perks hurt or help anyone all that much anyways, the only real thing that was annoying in MW2 Deathstreaks was the fact that the Painkiller was a 3 death streak (or 2 w/ Hardline), was pretty gosh darn golly gee whiz useful by being way to easy to earn in games were teams weren't getting slaughtered at the slightest. So some small tweaks to their designs and I don't see those problems being the real issues anymore.
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I say nay to the tank.
Com'on I love the Tank (or Armored Vehicle) idea. Think about it, it's just another Killstreak rewared except this one's a figgin Tank! Instead of flying something, this one you can drive around in on the battlefield, well for the specially designed large maps only that is and only if your lucky enough to earn that rare gift. Plus, opponents will have a real reason for using the C4 equipment in order to stop you in one blast. No matter what anyone says... I love the Tank idea its just so crazy it's awesome.
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Lose BO's money purchasing system, it sucks.
No way, it doesn't suck, waiting for levels in order to build the weapon classes I want... sucks.
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I could care less about more customization.
What? what? what? You don't mean that? Customization is the future of... everything. Why wouldn't you want the ability to differentiate yourself from others... similarity is so blah and boring. It's the past.
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Care less about contracts
I thought the contract idea was a good one, just wished that I could go into a large database of all the contracts in the game and select the one(s) I want to complete. I hate being restricted to a couple or none just because of what I have available to use and what game type my friends and I are playing.
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Just remove the knife... as well as melee entirely. It really isn't necessary. If you won't do that do a 60 damage primary weapon melee and a 100 damage Pistol whip melee. Snipers and LMGs can't melee unless they swap to their pistol.
You can't get ride of melee entirely, that would be like going back to games in the '90s. The idea is to take the game forward.
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I don't miss Sway.
I understand, I don't miss it either, but the fact was that Sway adds more depth to the creation more and more available guns... it can basically provide more forms of pro verse con in choosing the weapons you'll want to use and fit into your play style.
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If you can't tell, all I really want is a tweaked MW2 with theater. And like 60 maps. That would be great.
A tweaked MW2 would be nice but you might as well take it further then just tweaking if were talking about a new game... oh, and of course the more maps the better.
Re: Logical ideas for a future MW game « Reply #28 on Feb 18, 2011, 7:33pm »
Deathstreaks- I don't really mind martyrdom or copycat in MW2, but Painkiller and Final Stand were both really lame. Like you said, Painkiller would activate oftentimes when there was no spawn trap (like in games of FFA...). Also, like you said, Deathstreaks aren't really going to help anyone. They do how ever hurt people. I don't like bulldoo-doo deaths. And being killed by someone because they had 3 times the health (for all intents and purposes) that I did is most definitely a bulldoo-doo death. Having someone take 100 points of damage then get to auto dropshot and keep their primary and have (What was it 50 points?) more health was bulldoo-doo. There's just no reason for them to be in the game at all. They serve no purpose but to frustrate the players that encounter them.
Tanks were in WaW, and I thought they were terrible. I understand that you're talking about implementing them as a killstreak, but it still has at least one major problem. The maps need to be designed with it in mind. To be honest, I don't think a tank will really work in a game that doesn't have destructability (Which by no means am I vying for CoD to implement). Seriously, how is it going to work. It's a slow moving player that can't be hurt by bullets (basically), that shoots RPGs and has a MG on it. Lets imagine it's on wasteland. You'll kill a couple of people, and then no one will come near you. It doesn't have a way to get a good line of sight. It's not a great killstreak. It would make the javelin have a very specific use though.
EDIT: I chose Wasteland for my example because it seemed like the most tank friendly map I could think of. The situation would be worse on pretty much any other map.
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Re: Logical ideas for a future MW game « Reply #29 on Feb 18, 2011, 11:00pm »
@ MW0swedeking - well the maps for the Tank would have to be designed special, they'd have to take the possibility of the Tank roaming around into its design aspect... I still love the idea, but that's probably because I never minded the Tanks in WaW except the fact they respawned to quickly. I really enjoyed destroying them and killing people who ran to them when they spawned.
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