Re: Picking a 32" Gaming TV - What to look for? « Reply #30 on Dec 20, 2011, 2:51pm »
its very easy to conflate terms like HZ and frames per second, but they are not equal. glare is absolutely not an issue with the two panasonic vieras we own. one's about 8 years old and works perfectly. the other we bought about a year or so ago. input lag is very much an issue for serious gamers. HMDI is of course digital, but the signal path is not purely digital...LED is not the best of both worlds. LED lights can be harsh on your eyes and not look as fluid an natural, plasma has none of those problems. refresh rate does matter, even on a 30 fps systems, as it can appear smoother. 720 will look worse on a 1080p tv? not sure about your logic there, maybe you are getting aspect ratios mixed up with resolutions? thats another common conflation of ideas. burn in is a non-issue. even for gamers playing a lot in the first hundred hours of use. i can attest to that.
glare is absolutely not an issue with my panasonic viera, the two we own. one about 8 years old and works perfectly. the other we bought about a year or so ago.
As I said at the bottom of my post, glare issues are a very personal issue. My living room has a triple glass door leading out to the lanai. When we had a glass-front TV in there, anyone sitting on the other side of the room couldn't see anything around dinner time when the sun got low in the sky.
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input lag is very much an issue for serious gamers.
Yes, but it's unnoticeable on the majority of modern TVs and there's no way to test for it before you own the TV anyway.
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HMDI is of course digital, but the signal path is not purely digital...
Fair enough, but at normal lengths, it doesn't make any difference. If you're running your cables 20ft it starts to be a factor, but that isn't the case for most people.
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LED is not the best of both worlds. LED lights can be harsh on your eyes and not look as fluid an natural, plasma has none of those problems.
LEDs can output the brightest whites by far, and most manufacturers turn this up because it looks wonderful in brightly-lit stores. I've yet to see a TV you can't tone down brightness levels... Fluidity of an image is has nothing to do with the format. Maybe older LED TVs had poor image processors, due to it being a new technology, but that issues is long gone today. On the issue of Plasma vs LED, Plasma does have slightly better blacks, but it's borderlining the, "Can't tell without instrumentation," kind of difference, so... Of course, if we want to really get that nitty gritty, we're gonna have to specify edge, regional, or local LED lighting (local blows plasma out of the water). I'd rather just stick to the generalizations, thanks. LED image quality is on par with plasma, with all the real-life benefits LCDs. If you lived in a movie theatre, Plasma would have a slight edge. If you're a practical human being, LED is a much more balanced with very, very little sacrificed, so I say it's the "best of both worlds."
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refresh rate does matter, even on a 30 fps systems, as it can appear smoother.
At 30FPS, a 60Hz TV will display every frame twice. A 120Hz, displays it 4 times. You're still just displaying the same images multiple times, though. You're not getting anything smoother out of it other than the placebo effect of being told it's smoother.
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720 will look works on a 1080p tv? not sure about your logic there, are you getting aspect ratios mixed up with resolutions?
To display 1280x720 on a 1920x1080 screen, the TV needs to scale and stretch the image. The moment you start scaling images, quality takes a nose-dive.
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burn in is a non-issue. even for gamers gaming Touch Football in the first hundred hours of use. i can attest to that.
Some TVs are better than others, I'll give you that, but many many plasmas are very prone to it. When my brother first got his Sony Bravia about a year back, black lines were noticeable after just watching an old, 2hour letterbox dvd. They would fade after a little while of normal TV, but if he were to watch letterbox movies for an extended period, it would get more permanent. I'd have to call him to see how burn-in prone it is nowdays (a year later).
thanks for all that. so i should just go buy the cheapest gold-plated hdmi cable and it will be the same as a 200$ rip-off
Yep.
Look for the absolute cheapest you can get that doesn't look like it's made of string and you'll be fine.
Monster cables are a total rip-off in regards to HDMI, don't know how they get away with it tbh...
No oversight from the government, as they are selling a "better" product (by the slimmest margin possible). They can charge as much as what they want as long as they don't piss of the government.
At least their analog cables are actually good. Pisses me off more when other random companies try to do this.
No oversight from the government, as they are selling a "better" product (by the slimmest margin possible). They can charge as much as what they want as long as they don't piss of the government.
The point is that the cables are sold as being better in all ways, when in actual fact it should clearly say:
"This gives the same picture quality as a £2 budget cable, but is made of much better stuff so will last longer", if they were marketed like that I'd have no complaints, but they're not, and are often 'sold' in the shop as giving you a much better picture which isn't the case.
A certain amount of this comes down to salesmanship from the vendors, but a bit more transparency would go a long way...
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Re: Picking a 32" Gaming TV - What to look for? « Reply #37 on Dec 28, 2011, 3:58am »
well it was Christmas and I opened up the TV, its was very nice, I set it up and I noticed the TV was leaning abit to one side, it didn't matter much to me because we were going to put it on a wall bracket. anyway, we go out for Christmas and when we came back it was really noticeable.
sadly I packed the tv back into the box and the next day we drove to the store to get it returned. it was closed. the day after we go to return it we get there and the guy pulls out another TV, it had the same problem, the whole batch did. so the guy offered us a refund or he could replace the stand with the display one. we did a refund, because we could get the TV at a better price somewhere else. turned out that most of the shops were sold out... so we called a couple of stores and found one, got it at 50$ less and 100$ gift voucher, and it had no problems.
other than the christmas horror story the tv is great. it lacks in the gui compared to my family's samsung.
there are some things I wanted to know though... the ps3 has many different display options, how do i configure them to the tv?
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