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Re: losing control of predator missile
« Reply #30 on May 8, 2012, 10:01am »

Because I'm not into wasting my time with someone who's arguing for the sake of arguing. If it's not what you actually think, why waste time trying to persuade me that I'm wrong?

I'm not even sure how to proceed here, to be honest. Pred is a very good chance at getting one kill, sure, pretty close to a sure thing... but a Harrier can get you a kill or two from the airstrike easy and will pick up a couple more no problem if it's not shot down. In your world where Cold-Blooded is not viable vs. SP, the CG, AC130, Pavelow, etc. all easily get many more kills than the Pred on average. The Pred is pretty low on the killstreak totem pole. Its usefulness begins and ends with its chain potential.

The bigger problem with your argument is the assumption that SP is OP. Cold-Blooded and a silenced UMP, M21, or even a TAR and you're barely at a disadvantage in terms of time to kill (especially up close with MW2's choice of secondaries) and you gain several other advantages. SP saves you a bullet with the drawback of being vulnerable to killstreaks. Cold-blooded means you don't have SP but you are immune/less susceptible to killstreaks. I don't see what you're not getting there.

To further elaborate, when you dispense of the average CoD player's propensity to deride anything that turns up a lot on killcams as "OP," you realize the SP vs. killstreaks vs. Cold-Blooded metagame is one of MW2's most attractive qualities. The majority of players flock to SP to kill just a little faster, making them vulnerable to UAV and other killstreaks. A minority of players realize this and use Cold-Blooded to become invulnerable to killstreaks while giving up that one bullet advantage. You want to complain about the Pred of all killstreaks while simultaneously claiming Cold-Blooded is somehow not a true option because SP is oh so good... when SP is the reason Pred is so viable in the first place? Let's not ignore the Cold-Blooded aren't detectable via Thermal, have no red name, and are immune to aim assist, too.

Now, compare this to MW3, where SP is supposedly "built-in" and players give up nothing to run perks such as Blind Eye or Assassin. I can play MW2 with any second perk sans Hardline and with the right class I'm highly competitive versus any other class in the game, whereas I certainly feel the "huge cost" when not running Assassin. It's a simple matter of statistics.

In other words, your argument that the soft counter to Pred in MW2 (Cold-Blooded) doesn't "really" counter the Pred is ill-formed. If you don't like Preds and but feel like you can't give up SP, that's on you because SP is not mandatory considering MW2 is a game where you don't even have to use bullets to kill if you don't want to. Pretty simple. P.S. I like how you submit DC as an argument in favor of the Pred being OP even though you can't run DC and SP at the same time.

If your argument is that the Harrier is too good, then that's a different discussion.

Also, PR >>>>> Trophy System except for parties of Assassins in which case Flashbangs + Recon is better.

Complaining about the Pred is about as petty as it gets.

Edit: To avoid getting further off topic, this is going to be my last post on the subject. You're welcome to think whatever you want/play the devil's advocate on your own time.

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Re: losing control of predator missile
« Reply #31 on May 8, 2012, 10:33am »

I'm not exactly sure why you want to make the final remark then leave isn't that a cheap way to finish things.

All the other main killstreaks have the stinger as a counter. Pred doesn't. If you want to compare it to harrier, harrier can get maybe two kills before it gets shot down. Sometimes none. If its allowed to stay in the air it can get more.

Stopping power is op. Cold blooded gives up stopping power or a Skill Cannon class for killstreak immunity at all times even though its only needed during an enemy killstreak and can just be switched to anti air class. Preds are instant so switching classes doesn't work for them, but it does for all the other killstreaks. So by putting on cold blooded you are giving yourself a disadvantage just to counter pred deaths. This simple idea is part of the cause of Preds being potentially op. Its the same logic that can be used on Overkill. Machine pistols and shotguns cause it to be bad just as much as bad tier 2 diversity.

Again you try to pass off trophy system as useless to make MW2 and 3 look similar. PR isn't essential. Flashes, TI, and trophies can all be used instead with just a different set of jobs you want your tactical slot to preform. This in no way is the same between SP and CB. Blind eye is also much closer to equal to Soh than CB is to SP.

I also noticed you never tried to bash my reasoning behind different strike packages making preds less used in MW3 compared to MW2. And the emp ubiquity in MW3 also limiting it in comparison to MW2. Does this mean you at least agree on this.

And just to annoy you some more I still don't think preds are genuinely overpowered, but I still believe the argument could be made with at least some validity. The easiest way to prove that is to make the argument myself. If you are going to stop can you tell me why. If this isn't even a little entertaining to you I'll stop, but I'd like to see how this pans out.

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Re: losing control of predator missile
« Reply #32 on May 8, 2012, 10:42am »

Uh, I was letting you have the final remark.

Anyway, if you want to continue the discussion we can do so via PM. SP vs. Cold-blooded or whatever is a far cry from what the topic was originally about.

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Re: losing control of predator missile
« Reply #33 on May 8, 2012, 10:43am »

I'll make a new thread so people can jump in as well. I'm enjoying this.

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Re: losing control of predator missile
« Reply #34 on May 8, 2012, 10:58am »

May 8, 2012, 9:09am, cmck wrote:

I see you are having trouble attacking my position if you are only going after Cold blooded. If it makes you feel better I'll say for the duration of this discussion I'll consider pred as op. I'm not sure why you need me to believe what I say to participate in a mental exercise.

The reason why I can say Cold blooded is a problem in MW2 and not Blind eye use in MW3 is because Stopping power was op and that caused cold blooded to never be used. Just because you say I can put on cold blooded doesn't mean that I truly can and not feel the huge cost in comparison to not having SP. Blind eye doesn't run into that problem. Pred vs. all other killstreaks is also not true either. All the air support could be shot down with a stinger while preds were a sure thing.

Trophy can be used in place of any equipment, but there is no super equipment that trumps all the others so completely that your comparison to cold blooded selectability isn't accurate.BS on the other hand is just too underpowered to do anything so it wouldn't help in the first place. BS isn't a counter so it isn't a good comparison.

I use cold blooded and light weight more often than I use stopping power in mw2. With all the killstreaks up both of those perks benefit my rushing more than stopping power.

I got a 65-5 game on estate using cold blooded spas with marithon and ninja last time I played mw2.

I have never seen the pred as a problem. It seems like it was only able to kill one or 2 people per use. I found the rc car from blackops to be far worse than the pred. 2 kills with hardline and they could stack for days.

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