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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Jun 7, 2012 6:11:44 GMT -5
You are my bro, bro. Appearantly, in IW's infinite wisdom, they have re-nefed the LMG's. I tested the L86 on Bakara in a private match with health regen off, and with thermal and grip while prone, and guess what? Long range 5HK, over, and over and over. Moved closer, 4HK. Really close....3HK. I NEW i was gettin too many gosh darn golly gee whiz hit markers last night!!! -_- ....im PS3, btw
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Post by bmac39 on Jun 7, 2012 6:14:54 GMT -5
I'll confirm at about 3 PM EST if nobody else does by then.
And did they nerf all the LMG's, or just the L86? Nerfing the L86 honestly made a bit of sense, but making it a 5 hit kill is a bit much.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Jun 7, 2012 6:31:40 GMT -5
pretty sure its all of them, bro
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 7, 2012 6:53:02 GMT -5
I played last night, didn't notice anything. I went like 65-3 on Interchange, 52-10 on Bootleg...both using the L86 thermal....I never noticed. Not saying it didn't happen, just I didn't see it. Not sure if one will. Really, from a distance, if you are spraying, what difference will a fifth bullet make? I can never remember the stats, but isn't one putting out like 700 bullets a min? 11 bullets a second? The time it takes the extra fifth bullet to hit, is what? 1/10th of a second? The accuracy with the thermal more than offsets the nerf.
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Post by cmck on Jun 7, 2012 7:00:31 GMT -5
They unbuffed the lmgs? Bulldoo-doo nerfs are raining from the sky this year.
Ok I just tested it on ps3 and I have good news and bad news. The bad news is 4 lmgs got nerfed. The good news is the MG36 managed to survive IWs nerf hammer.
I tested on Interchange with no attachments or profs. on A side from the A flag area aiming down the long corridor. L86: 5 bullets MG36: 3 bullets PKP: 4 bullets MK46: 4 bullets M60: 4 bullets.
I didn't test any other ranges yet, so the MG36 might be a 4 hit at longer ranges. I'll get back to you on that.MG36 doesn't become a 4 hit and PKP also doesn't go to a 5 hit so I'm assuming I was far enough the first test.
At point blank all kill in 3 hits except the M60. Headshots didn't lower bullets to kill unless you get two consecutive hits.
Be back with silencers.... Hopefully they don't lower damage or range like before, but we'll see. Silencers lower range on all of them except the MG36 because it stays a 3 hit at all ranges anyway.
So MG36 is now the the best? And the only one to silence without a cost as well? My PKP is very sad. But PKP had surprising 3 hit kill range compared to the L86 and MK46. It was a lot longer.
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L86: 3-5 MG36: 3-3 PKP: 3-4 MK46: 3-4 M60: 2-4 Silencers lower range again on all except MG36. ^This list is neater than my scribble notes while testing.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Jun 7, 2012 7:58:11 GMT -5
Ugh...this is just sad. Post-buff I still saw 1 LMG for every 50 ACRs.....they could make them all 2HK and still no one would ever use them ....what gives, IW?
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Jun 7, 2012 8:08:32 GMT -5
Apparently Infinity Ward thought LMGs would threaten the ACR's current standing as a viable weapon.
Ok I just tested it on ps3
You play on said-console? I could sure use a competent partner -- or be apart of whatever clan you might be in.
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Post by Marvel4 on Jun 7, 2012 8:14:01 GMT -5
They're smoking pot again...
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Post by cmck on Jun 7, 2012 8:14:39 GMT -5
^Sure if you want to play. I don't really have a serious clan so that isn't a problem. I'm embarrassed of my name on psn so I'll PM you. My bro made it so I had no choice on it.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Jun 7, 2012 8:19:30 GMT -5
I'm on PS3 as well, you can both add me - it's TheHawkNY there too.
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Post by cashmoves on Jun 7, 2012 8:31:01 GMT -5
wow. of all the the things they could do, they nerf... LMGs. perhaps they have info that we dont?? maybe they had access to info showing the K/D for L86 and Mk46 were statistically too high?
anyone have any idea? the community didnt appear to be complaining about it much...
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Post by cmck on Jun 7, 2012 8:33:50 GMT -5
^ That makes sense for the L86, but how can you rationalize nerfing the PKP and not the MG36? I think they forgot about the MG36, but meant to nerf all of them.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Jun 7, 2012 8:35:14 GMT -5
I'm only hoping it was an accidental change, much in lieu of the 50% increase in RoF for akimbos previously. Although I do like the idea of the L86 being a 3-4HK -- gives the incentive to use other LMGs.
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Post by cmck on Jun 7, 2012 8:38:15 GMT -5
^ HOLY doo-doo YOUR POST IS COLORED NORMALLY!!!!! But seriously I hate that name. The only reason I tolerate it is because switching accounts every time the other wants to play wastes too much time and effort.
Aww, You fixed the color before everyone else could see.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Jun 7, 2012 8:41:45 GMT -5
Drats, couldn't edit in time... :C
But yeah, I can see how tedious that could get. The name's basically a guilty pleasure at this point?
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Post by cmck on Jun 7, 2012 8:45:57 GMT -5
Well, yeah pretty much. I still don't like having to respond to another name or have people try to pick fights about my size though. But I guess its worth the time it saves and at least I don't have to prestige anymore if I keep it.
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Post by cmck on Jun 7, 2012 8:57:19 GMT -5
Wait lets start a betting pool. How long before the youtube commentators put up the first video on this? I've got 10 cod points on after 36 hours from now. Mainly so late due to the title of this thread not being an obvious clue and I doubt many people use lmgs and will notice any sooner. And it might not be on xbox or pc yet. Is it?
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jun 7, 2012 9:37:54 GMT -5
This patch effects a total of 2% of the MW3 player base so complaints will never be raised and the PKP will still be OP(Dat 100 round mag) in the eyes of IW.
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Post by -3055- on Jun 7, 2012 10:02:51 GMT -5
.........
Okay. I won't even fight for anything here.
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Post by Morshu on Jun 7, 2012 10:12:30 GMT -5
You can't be serious, first they nerf shotguns be removing extended mags glitch, and now this? I think IW may be trolling at this point. They give us a buff then take it back? WTF!?
I'm going to try this out myself (i have ps3 also). The PKP is just one of those weapons that has no point of existing in the game.
BTW- I noticed putting grip on the PKP gives it more sway and makes it so that sway is not sent back to zero when aiming in and out.
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Post by Morshu on Jun 7, 2012 10:39:54 GMT -5
Yep, I'm getting the same thing. I tried it out in a public match, fired my L86 at a far away enemy real slowly, and what do know, five hitmarkers.
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Post by acidsnow on Jun 7, 2012 10:43:06 GMT -5
I played a marathon of CoD yesterday (for ~4hrs) using the L86, and it was still delivering 3 hit kills on the Xbox. These "5 hit kills" are probably only affecting the PS3 atm.
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Post by mastermarth on Jun 7, 2012 11:02:21 GMT -5
Well, I can breathe a sigh of relief, since I thought I just lost the memory of playing well with the L86...
Although, now I have to face-palm for the fact that LMGs got nerfed. What next, nerf Shotguns to near-uselessness (some pre-max) again?
PS: I play on PS3 as well once in a while, but I play Barebones exclusively now. Add Tamoketh if you like.
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Post by illram on Jun 7, 2012 11:11:56 GMT -5
Man, I just golded my L86... bah.
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Post by Morshu on Jun 7, 2012 11:16:04 GMT -5
Man, I just golded my L86... bah. Still have yet to see a gold PKP!
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Post by illram on Jun 7, 2012 11:19:17 GMT -5
I really don't get the logic of this. Do they figure that the large mag is advantage enough to counteract the slow movement and high kick when the guns are naked/without kick or grip? I miss the days of the COD4 RPD... LMGs in that game were great, they had a niche purpose, and they still were not overpowered or overused.
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Post by olahzep on Jun 7, 2012 11:23:21 GMT -5
I just tested on xbox v1.7.544.3. No change to damage.
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Post by mastermarth on Jun 7, 2012 11:26:08 GMT -5
Well, if Xbox isn't affected, I'm guessing PC won't be as well.
Can hope that this is another screw up and not a hint of things to come.
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Post by spooky on Jun 7, 2012 11:28:33 GMT -5
Just tested on ps3. L86 is 5 HK at range. M60, PKP, MK46 are all 4 HK at range. Just golded my PKP and that was a struggle, now it's just been rendered useless. only thing left is to use the ACR/MP7/PP90 like 98% of the other players... Either that or forget MW3 altogether.
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Post by b0xr on Jun 7, 2012 11:29:29 GMT -5
L86 LSW is my highest K/D weapon. I remember testing LMG's after their initial buff on Xbox and in private match, they were 5 shot kills at range. Then went to multiplayer and I was getting 3 shot kills at range with silencer.
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