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Post by ohbliveeun on Nov 26, 2012 21:38:53 GMT -5
Hey denizens, how are you? I usually just lurk this board but today I'm going to post because I need this answered.
Is penetration the same as it's always been? I also heard that the SCAR-H, SMR and FAL all have high penetration as opposed to medium for the rest of the ARs. Oh, and SMGs have medium penetration now? That means they shoot through bodies, as well as being superior for other surfaces compared to the original low penetration.
I've tried FMJ on the FAL to great success thanks to aim assist through walls (on console). The SCAR seems pretty mediocre even with Grip, but adding FMJ on it might make it a great LMG. Anyway, before Mousey posts a mouse because I'm being theoretical, on with the thread!
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Post by ohbliveeun on Nov 26, 2012 22:43:17 GMT -5
Scar is likely one of the best candidates for MMS, but is outclassed by This is what I was thinking considering we can't combine FMJ and MMS. Worth a shot. Also
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Post by rubixx on Nov 26, 2012 23:28:43 GMT -5
Hold on, you can't put FMJ and MMS on the same gun??
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 26, 2012 23:31:36 GMT -5
You can get some hilarious wallbangs as it is. I guess they didn't want things to get out of hand.
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Post by rubixx on Nov 26, 2012 23:35:35 GMT -5
That sucks...I hate how treyarch limits attachments like that. Same with dual wield pistols. Also the whole rapid fire but no ex mags in BO1. It isn't overpowered, but if it was they could tone it down somehow. It just seems to be a hypothetical restriction "just cause."
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Post by Voice from the Basement on Nov 27, 2012 6:18:40 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but high penetration now seems to increase the maximum angle of penetration (for example, 45° → 60°). FMJ, however, is still much better in that factor, cause it still seems to allow you to shoot from any angle and through all the surfaces that can be theoretically penetrated.
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Post by Evan950 on Nov 27, 2012 7:34:51 GMT -5
Scar is likely one of the best candidates for MMS, but is outclassed by AN94 for most purposes otherwise. why?
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Post by bluespark on Nov 27, 2012 8:34:55 GMT -5
Oh, and SMGs have medium penetration now? That means they shoot through bodies, as well as being superior for other surfaces compared to the original low penetration. Wh4t? I must have overlooked that when I glanced at the stat sheet. That's a shame, to be honest. It's not like SMGs needed another factor to help them outclass ARs in this game.
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Post by Evan950 on Nov 27, 2012 9:27:44 GMT -5
High penetration and good damage (45, 33, 24 are all high values for what you getl so the an-94 has the same penetration as scar?
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 27, 2012 13:53:57 GMT -5
Nope. Has medium penetration as with most other ARs.
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Post by ohbliveeun on Nov 27, 2012 16:00:02 GMT -5
So basically the only oddball things regarding penetration are:
1) SMGs are medium penetration 2) High penetration is useful now 3) SCAR, FAL and SMR have high penetration
Am I missing something?
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Post by adw1983 on May 24, 2013 13:08:41 GMT -5
BUT does FMJ help vs killstreaks at any practical degree?
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Post by -3055- on May 24, 2013 15:23:56 GMT -5
BUT does FMJ help vs killstreaks at any practical degree? For me it does. MK48 + any aircraft it takes less time to take down than FHJ. Especially if it has any flares. Oh, and SMGs have medium penetration now? That means they shoot through bodies, as well as being superior for other surfaces compared to the original low penetration. I don't believe SMGs have medium penetration. According to the stat chart, every SMG has low penetration. Although I remember either the chart or another source stating the Peacekeeper has medium penetration but... Don't hold me to that. I might be wrong, but high penetration now seems to increase the maximum angle of penetration (for example, 45° → 60°). FMJ, however, is still much better in that factor, cause it still seems to allow you to shoot from any angle and through all the surfaces that can be theoretically penetrated. Do we have some sort of penetration chart? 60° seems a bit high of an angle for penetration. I use the scar and LMGs very often, and I've never gotten any hitmarkers past 40°. And are you sure FMJ increases the angle of possible hitmarkers? I've always thought it did nothing to weapons with high penetration and only helped weapons with low penetration.
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Post by adw1983 on May 26, 2013 6:50:54 GMT -5
Meh. I don't even have two controllers.
I'm very interested in seeing how the XPR fares versus the UAV. Without FMJ -- you need ~5hits to down it -- problem being that 50-75% of your hits don't actually hit, so FMJ needs to at least double the damage for you to be able to down one with one magazine.
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Post by citrus on May 26, 2013 15:01:55 GMT -5
High penetration and good damage (45, 33, 24 are all high values for what you getl I'm pretty sure the SCAR-H's minimum damage is 33 now.
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Post by citrus on May 27, 2013 14:16:15 GMT -5
Huh, good point.
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Post by -3055- on May 28, 2013 1:10:30 GMT -5
yeah, this is one of the resurrected threads. Easy to miss those little date stamps next to everyone's comments.
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Post by adw1983 on May 28, 2013 13:39:54 GMT -5
Hey. I searched before posting a new question If I only could be bothered to actually TRY the XPR-50 FMJ vs an UAV. ... The times I did -- I had severe problems hitting the gosh darn golly gee whiz thing, and not because my aim was off. In MW3 -- it's hitbox is far wider, to the point you hit even when you clearly miss. ... Edit: OK. FMJ is crap vs killstreaks with the XPR.50 Before FMJ on XPR.50: Need ~8 shots to take out an UAV With FMJ on XPR.50: Need ~7-8 shots, and because you miss even when the sight is on target half the time, you need two magazines just like without FMJ -- making fastmags better vs killstreaks. gosh darn golly gee whiz.
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