thepythnator
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Post by thepythnator on Nov 14, 2012 23:13:41 GMT -5
This just sort of touches on the basics and not the indepth stats, but I would just like to know if you think I touched on the basics, and tell me what I missed.
Thanks!
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Post by Z3R0FLAME on Nov 14, 2012 23:28:27 GMT -5
You bet.
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Post by citrus on Nov 15, 2012 2:20:23 GMT -5
^lol Guys, be nice to each other. ADS on this gun seems to really help.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Nov 15, 2012 8:52:47 GMT -5
100% Best Class for this gun.
R870 - Quick Draw - Long Barrel - Laser (via Primary Gunfighter)
Five-SeveN - No attachments
Lightweight Cold-Blooded Dexterity
Bouncing Betty
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 15, 2012 9:16:03 GMT -5
100% is quite subjective; I'd never do without a TI nor go anywhere near a pistol. One can also tighten the spread through ADS so the Laser's generally redundant.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 15, 2012 10:54:45 GMT -5
Laser and quick draw is redundant on paper, but in practice lends extreme versatility. Potentially.
I haven't tried that on a shotgun, but I was trying an Vector with laser and target finder (stolen from Wonder Showzen) and it was an interesting combo.
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Post by asasa on Nov 15, 2012 11:05:08 GMT -5
With the ADS delay, its still got value.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 15, 2012 11:13:21 GMT -5
wait, does the m870's hipfire/ads accuracy work like mw3 or black ops stakeout? If it's like the stakeout, i don't exactly understand why anyone would want to run laser sight and hipfire. it's only like a 0.1 second advantage with a spread and aim assist disadvantage.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 15, 2012 11:37:20 GMT -5
All shotguns have dramatically reduced spead when sighted.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 15, 2012 12:04:36 GMT -5
You should always aim before turning corners. You really don't want that ADS delay screwing you up (unless you railgun with it)
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Post by kazei009 on Nov 16, 2012 3:55:31 GMT -5
I don't know how about consoles, but on PC ADSing against SMG user is a suicide in 75%. I vote for: Long barrel and Laser. If i would pick a third attachment it would be dual mags. ADSing against non-SMG users is already okay without quickdraw. 1-on-1 duel versus, at least, average skilled SMG user is a painfull trip already. Being stationary = instant death. You'd better "dance" with him or he'll be "dancing" on your dead body. This my opinion, but I think that constantly moving with shotgun = pledge of survival.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 16, 2012 10:08:09 GMT -5
All shotguns have dramatically reduced spead when sighted. Then it's very unfair to judge shotguns based off of slightly poor-aimed hipfires. If that's just hipfire damage, then shotguns seem very exciting. I don't know how about consoles, but on PC ADSing against SMG user is a suicide in 75%. I vote for: Long barrel and Laser. If i would pick a third attachment it would be dual mags. ADSing against non-SMG users is already okay without quickdraw. 1-on-1 duel versus, at least, average skilled SMG user is a painfull trip already. Being stationary = instant death. You'd better "dance" with him or he'll be "dancing" on your dead body. This my opinion, but I think that constantly moving with shotgun = pledge of survival. For consoles, ads aim assist vs hipfires is a huge difference. And judging from what people say about black ops 2 aim assist, I won't ever be hipfiring. Unless saiga12. In which case, laser will be pointless for me.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 16, 2012 11:21:26 GMT -5
The one shot kill range of all of the shotgun is very low. The ksg is the largest at almost 14 meters. The 870 is at like 11 meters ads. The saiga and m1216 are both inside of 6-7 meters while ads. Damage drop on all of the buckshot shotguns is extreme.
Its physically painfull to see people surving some of the shots I put on them. I am extremely dissatisfied with all the shotguns. Slightly less dissatisfied with ksg.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 16, 2012 12:10:08 GMT -5
Then it's very unfair to judge shotguns based off of slightly poor-aimed hipfires. If that's just hipfire damage, then shotguns seem very exciting. Except ADSing in CQC is unviable against SMGs, as noted by many other users.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 16, 2012 13:11:24 GMT -5
The one shot kill range of all of the shotgun is very low. The ksg is the largest at almost 14 meters. The 870 is at like 11 meters ads. The saiga and m1216 are both inside of 6-7 meters while ads. Damage drop on all of the buckshot shotguns is extreme. Its physically painfull to see people surving some of the shots I put on them. I am extremely dissatisfied with all the shotguns. Slightly less dissatisfied with ksg. Yeah, though they're not as bad as we initially thought. The base for pretty good shotguns is here. ADS having a point now is a good thing. They just need this - less hip spread (they really gotta tone that moving increase down) - longer range for max damage also, compared to the mw2 AA-12, the M1216 aint half bad. No crappy ammo limitation and slightly more range. And I didn't think the AA-12 back in MW2 was all too bad
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Post by daftpunk on Nov 16, 2012 13:19:55 GMT -5
Im having much more success with the R870 than any pump on MW3 , all of which i had gold , less hitmarkers and way more OHK's ...
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Post by thepythnator on Nov 16, 2012 19:27:58 GMT -5
[/quote] And I didn't think the AA-12 back in MW2 was all too bad [/quote]
What.
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Post by Amirror on Nov 16, 2012 20:18:18 GMT -5
So I got the game, and here's my results with some of the shotguns.
R870? This gun should be in a episode of this gun f***ing sucks. Seriously. Sometimes it's getting 3-4 hitmarkers even when I'm ADSing and sometimes hipfiring even at close range doesn't produce hitmarkers because of the ridiculous large spread (even with laser sight) This weapon can either rot away, or get a good buff that makes it at least usable in my book.
I like the S12, even though it's very weak and produces 4-5 hitmarkers sometimes. At least I can get positive with this gun. But I want to try it with Laser sight when I unlock it and see if that helps too. May need buff too, but not as much as the R870 and M1216.
M1216 sucks too. 4-6 hitmarkers often. Needs good buff too.
KSG I have yet to unlock, so we'll see about that. But I think it'll be good.
Executioner is the same story as KSG.
Buff the R870, M1216, S12 (and maybe executioner) now Treyarch!
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Post by daftpunk on Nov 17, 2012 11:10:19 GMT -5
@ amirror , my experience with the R870 is the total opposite of yours..
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Post by asasa on Nov 17, 2012 11:19:33 GMT -5
Well, the hipspread is really massive, so usually hipfire wont hit enemies... but overall its a lot better than the KSG.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 17, 2012 11:57:05 GMT -5
Well, the hipspread is really massive, so usually hipfire wont hit enemies... but overall its a lot better than the KSG. really? IMO, since you have to ads with both anyway, the KSG wins hands down. The 870's lack of range is crucial
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 26, 2012 9:42:45 GMT -5
love the 870, being using it for the past week....i would love a bit more range on the thing. i cry a little everytime i died after a hit marker. i halo jump, prone, sway and bop and weave, sometimes i win a majority of the time i lose.
ksg is way to inconsistent and i have found i dont get a hit marker even if i avoid the whole shot+prone/crouch anti-dropshot laws implemented.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 26, 2012 10:18:23 GMT -5
Had it not been for the fast pumping speed, I'd probably dread this shotgun for the lack of a saving grace. On a different note, would I be considered mad by being partial to a Suppressed KSG? The range is still pretty damn good. Plus, headshots. :3
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Post by esupin on Nov 26, 2012 10:19:23 GMT -5
My most-used weapon is the 870. I've dropped Dexterity and Laser Barrel for Engineer and Quickdraw (once I unlock it again, just prestiged the weapon recently). You can still hipfire at close range without the laser sight. The larger spread is actually not a bad thing at almost panic-knife range.
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 26, 2012 10:38:03 GMT -5
My most-used weapon is the 870. I've dropped Dexterity and Laser Barrel for Engineer and Quickdraw (once I unlock it again, just prestiged the weapon recently). You can still hipfire at close range without the laser sight. The larger spread is actually not a bad thing at almost panic-knife range. will try this. i've messed with a bunch of different perk setups and attachments with no 'wow, this is working sweet' effects
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 26, 2012 10:46:43 GMT -5
A personal rule of thumb of mine is to equip Black Hat PDAs and the Crossbow. See if that helps.
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 26, 2012 10:50:49 GMT -5
ive never given the crossbow a chance, i've been using pistols as my 'long range' solution to no avail lol...nub. i did have some lulz with the tomahawk on a few occasions.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 26, 2012 10:54:26 GMT -5
You should try it. It swaps pretty quick without Fast Hands, and with 6 accurate bolts to spare, you can pretty much guarantee kills compared to a pistol.
Just stay away from Tri-bolt. I personally find it wasteful since people hardly group up, and the frequent reloads don't help either.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 26, 2012 12:07:44 GMT -5
Had it not been for the fast pumping speed, I'd probably dread this shotgun for the lack of a saving grace. On a different note, would I be considered mad by being partial to a Suppressed KSG? The range is still pretty gosh darn golly gee whiz good. Plus, headshots. :3 supressed ksg OHK range=870 long barrel ads one OHk range. Considering you have to aim at the widest point of the chest to get max range out of the 870 compared to being able to hit the foot with the silenced ksg at the same range and still one shot, ksg>>>870.
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 26, 2012 12:29:13 GMT -5
Kap is the best pistol for long range :s Crossbow dual band is great if you're good at accounting for drop long range in terms of longer than the 870 'long range' but agree it's a stupid. still used to bf3 pistols
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