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Post by unforgivenxile on Nov 20, 2012 8:32:50 GMT -5
Seriously, its like Tryarch actually cares. Its like they witnessed the brutal execution of the fully automatic shotgun in MW3 and felt simpathy, performing the ancient dark sacrament ritual on the AA-12. reviving it in the form of the M1216.
The AA-12 in MW3 reminded me of my pedophilic, incest Uncle who I would try to do right by, would try to show him compassion, but at the end of the day he would still end up touching me inapropriately.
The M1216, however, reminds me of my mother. When I treated her well, she would reward me with supper and high killstreaks, however when I did not follow what she wanted me to do of course I was smacked, sent to my room and removed of any treats I had previously earned.
I think tryarch might actually have an idea of how to balance weapons this time around, may praises be sung!
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Post by MastaQ on Nov 20, 2012 9:32:43 GMT -5
My only real problem with shotguns in this game is that if you want to use one, 3 points are spoken for straight out of the gate (the gun itself, laser sight, and long barrel).
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Post by iamthehater on Nov 20, 2012 9:34:21 GMT -5
The AA12 in MW3 was one of my favorite guns at the end of it's life cycle. It was one of the only guns I found with that "fun" factor. I'll be trolling the M1216 tonight, you have peaked my interest.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2012 10:23:50 GMT -5
My only real problem with shotguns in this game is that if you want to use one, 3 points are spoken for straight out of the gate (the gun itself, laser sight, and long barrel). But look at it this way. You get those two things (laser and long barrell) much sooner than you did in MW3, where you had to REALLY grind a long time to get the AA12 with damage/range.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 20, 2012 10:26:29 GMT -5
My only real problem with shotguns in this game is that if you want to use one, 3 points are spoken for straight out of the gate (the gun itself, laser sight, and long barrel). But look at it this way. You get those two things (laser and long barrell) much sooner than you did in MW3, where you had to REALLY grind a long time to get the AA12 with damage/range. AND you can easily make it a secondary, without losing important perks in the process... and frankly, the laser sight isn't necessary if you know what you are doing (in other words, only use it indoors and keep adsing)
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 20, 2012 11:15:08 GMT -5
The m1216 doesn't have great ads mobility. So if you didn't put the laser on to hipfire you will need the stock to move quickly while ads. Its much better than mw3 aa12 but there is still some room for improvement.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 20, 2012 11:27:03 GMT -5
The recoil really prevents ADS fire from being too effective. I say, just use laser and hip fire them peoples. Once you get a good idea of the gun's range, you should be able to engage enemies regularly in the four shot kill zone, which itself is quite large. I, myself, am pleasantly surprised by how often I obtain one shot kills with it (and from the hip, even). Pro tip: use fast mags and reload (1.52 s add time) to manually rechamber the weapon. The gun fires at 450 RPM and has a 0.57 s rechamber, meaning that it has an overall fire rate of 250ish RPM, which can help when dealing with multiple opponents. With a single target, however, you absolutely should be able to kill in a single tube. But look at it this way. You get those two things (laser and long barrell) much sooner than you did in MW3, where you had to REALLY grind a long time to get the AA12 with damage/range. No impact on the weapon in the long run. But that reminds me. Once you unlock the M1216, try using the default shotgun class to level it up, as it already has a laser on it. If you have unlocked the weapon, the default class will give you weapon XP, making initial use much easier. (And the class has Fast Hands and a TI, making it well suited for objective games, too.)
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 13:17:26 GMT -5
Am I the only person who get relentless hitmarkers with this the M1216? I'm trying to get gold on all the shotguns and the M1216 is pure hell compared to the others.
THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK Cha-chick THUNKTHUNK*die* THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK Cha-chick THUNKTHUNKTHUNK*die* THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK Cha-chick*die* THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK *kill* Cha-chick THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK Cha-chick THUNKTHUNKTHUNKTHUNK Cha-chick*die*
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Post by asasa on Nov 20, 2012 13:28:23 GMT -5
Are you using laser/long barrel? I find it to be pretty strong.
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 13:36:51 GMT -5
Long barrel and ADSing. I could probably kill people faster by throwing mashed potatoes at them.
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 20, 2012 13:49:18 GMT -5
Long barrel and ADSing. I could probably kill people faster by throwing mashed potatoes at them. this made me laugh. +1
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Post by mmacola on Nov 20, 2012 13:53:21 GMT -5
At the right range, it is impossible to get 4 hitmarkers and no kill. Your connection sucks. That, or your accuracy does.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 20, 2012 13:55:14 GMT -5
I mean it kills people... just not anywhere NEAR quickly enough, their gun will always kill you faster
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 14:15:41 GMT -5
At the right range, it is impossible to get 4 hitmarkers and no kill. Your connection sucks. That, or your accuracy does. I had no problem with any other shotgun, they worked great. So unless equipping the M1216 causes my connection to drop for some inexplicable reason then no, it isn't me. I mean it kills people... just not anywhere NEAR quickly enough, their gun will always kill you faster 4HK @ 450 RPM vs 4HK @ 1250 RPM Oh, and the 450 RPM gun has to rechamber every 4 shots, the 1250 RPM gun can shoot 32 bullets consecutively. Seems legit.
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Post by Dumien on Nov 20, 2012 14:20:20 GMT -5
In a game where double kills are very hard to come by, a fully auto shotty actually does have a pretty good niche.
That said...I'm having trouble with this gun.
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 14:24:35 GMT -5
I'd rather just use the saiga with exmags and long barrel. Same basic effect, only no rechamber after every kill.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 20, 2012 14:30:25 GMT -5
4HK @ 450 RPM vs 4HK @ 1250 RPM Sure, but the other gun can't get a 1hk, you can.
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 14:34:53 GMT -5
And you have to be closer than knifing range to pull it off.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 20, 2012 14:43:25 GMT -5
Or just have good accuracy
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Post by Dumien on Nov 20, 2012 14:47:20 GMT -5
since when have shotguns in bacalhau been about good accuracy? (always)
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 20, 2012 15:10:22 GMT -5
Or just have good accuracy With the saiga and KSG I have 46 and 47 percent accuracy, respectively. With the remington I have 76%. With the M1216 I also have 46% accuracy. My accuracy is totally the problem, let me tell you.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 20, 2012 15:18:10 GMT -5
Shotgun accuracy in inherently higher than every weapon: In BF3, I have around 80% accuracy for every shotgun I played. Other weapons are like 20%~ (Props to that KSG though. Unlike other shotguns, you don't have 8 pellets to help you in the accuracy regard). Really, I don't know how a ADSed shot at close range with the M1216 can't kill (disregarding lag). This isn't MW3 AA-12 with tiny 15 damage. This is 25. I would take that weapon any day versus the other BF3 full auto shotguns (Considering it had the same range as the others )
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Post by unforgivenxile on Nov 20, 2012 15:44:46 GMT -5
I mean it kills people... just not anywhere NEAR quickly enough, their gun will always kill you faster 4HK @ 450 RPM vs 4HK @ 1250 RPM Oh, and the 450 RPM gun has to rechamber every 4 shots, the 1250 RPM gun can shoot 32 bullets consecutively. Seems legit. Exactly what I was thinking after winning two FFAs in a row with the M1216 then recieving this message, and I quote: "Fucking Bullshit shotties, overpowered as fuck in this game, they needa nerf em" Oh, and apparently this guy was number 3 in the world at FFA in MW3, I'm sure he had no problems with shotguns in that game...
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Post by Amirror on Nov 20, 2012 16:59:48 GMT -5
M1216? It sucks, but it's the only shotgun I can get positive with sometimes, but barely.
(Executioner is pitiful, it can't even finish off injured people. And dual wield is a joke too, good luck getting less than 10 hitmarkers. It even fails to be a "Getouttamyface" weapon. That's how bad it is. I can see this getting a buff, I've never seen anybody use it. EVER.)
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 20, 2012 23:18:44 GMT -5
Executioner is just hilarious. M1216 isn't as bad as that, but hardly good enough to be called a primary weapon.
Honestly the R870 and KSG are the only shotguns I'd call "good" in this game.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 20, 2012 23:47:38 GMT -5
good is a strong word for the ksg and 870.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 21, 2012 11:33:58 GMT -5
With laser, the KSG is unstoppable in CQC. I really want to try someone's suggestion of slapping a suppressor on it on the merit that the gun is largely used inside of its one shot range anyway. (Versus long barrel, you're looking at 480 versus 620 units of sweet one shot kills...that is a dilemma.)
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 21, 2012 11:36:49 GMT -5
With laser, the KSG is unstoppable in CQC. I really want to try someone's suggestion of slapping a suppressor on it on the merit that the gun is largely used inside of its one shot range anyway. suppressor + laser = cqc win?
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 21, 2012 11:39:34 GMT -5
If you are used to the 870's one shot range then the supressed ksg will one shot just as far. Except ksg you can aim at someone's toes and kill them. 870 needs pin point aim for 12 meter one shot kills.
1 slug out of a silenced ksg to the foot = 8 00buckshot pellets from a long barrel shotgun to the heart. Wat?
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Post by Zero IX on Nov 21, 2012 12:14:08 GMT -5
Hmm... I gotta try the laser on the KSG.
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