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Post by iw5000 on Dec 13, 2011 11:43:20 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wwa seems to be suggesting that shotguns require less "aiming skill" than the Type-95 or MK14. Anyone who has used the SPAS-12 or Model 1887 extensively knows those guns have a much higher margin of error than any AR or SMG. Perfectly centering hipfire crosshairs over centermass on targets in excess of 12m is difficult, especially when you're likely to die during the manual action if you fail to kill the target. You must be fast, accurate, and rarely get a second chance. I agree with you, that's what I was saying. Maybe we are splitting hairs a bit, but it's all relative imho. Maybe a better way of saying it, is that is a 'fair' (yes, I did use that word)
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Post by wwaa on Dec 13, 2011 12:48:39 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wwa seems to be suggesting that shotguns require less "aiming skill" than the Type-95 or MK14. Anyone who has used the SPAS-12 or Model 1887 extensively knows those guns have a much higher margin of error than any AR or SMG. Perfectly centering hipfire crosshairs over centermass on targets in excess of 12m is difficult, especially when you're likely to die during the manual action if you fail to kill the target. You must be fast, accurate, and rarely get a second chance. exactly
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Post by -3055- on Dec 13, 2011 14:07:30 GMT -5
Awesome work, especially on the range proficiency percentages. And a sad heartfelt lol at the aa12 for the knife osk range.
Oh my beloved shotguns, where have you gone?
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 13, 2011 14:16:41 GMT -5
Awesome work, especially on the range proficiency percentages. And a sad heartfelt lol at the aa12 for the knife osk range. Oh my beloved shotguns, where have you gone? It's an Automatic shotgun for a reason: in general it should kill in 2+ shots. Otherwise, why bother having it be Automatic?
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Post by asasa on Dec 13, 2011 15:25:14 GMT -5
lol @ wwa hidden pc elitist agenda
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Post by wwaa on Dec 13, 2011 18:16:55 GMT -5
ok, iw5000, just to confirm: k:d 20:10 with Barrett and Striker is the same aiming skill level or maybe there is any -significant- difference that you see?
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Post by bedlam36 on Dec 13, 2011 19:30:29 GMT -5
^^^^ disagree with the above. I've seen guys in my group easily be top scorer with the Striker, MANY times in Domination. Mostly on the smaller maps like Bootleg, Mission, etc...Run up 40 to 50 kills with it. Just keep doing circle loops around the inner building....stairway, past C, around to A, back to the inner stairwell, ...then repeat. Blasting anything in front of them. It's not rocket science but it's also fair. That said, they can only do it when running the Striker fully tricked out (Dam, Ext Mag, Steady Aim, etc..) Ok, well key there is "guys in your group." I assume most everyone on this website is not an average player. I've led my share of lobbies with a Spas and Striker, but do you ever see randoms on the other team doing it? I know I don't, especially not a pump or lever action. And honestly, the fully tricked out Striker is even better than the MW2 Spas... I wouldn't mind seeing a Striker nerf if there never is a buff to the pump actions. All the stuff about being accurate with hipfire and stuff goes out the window the upgraded Striker. Just spam two shots in their general direction and anyone is dead.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:12:39 GMT -5
Not trying to be argumentative..... but I have seen people on my team, and other teams, do well with it. I also can't state with any type of accuracy WHAT weapons the top player uses on the other team. I never watch that closely. Shotties might not have been any of them....or it could have been all of them for all i know.
What I do know, is I have seen players on my team use them quite well, racking up kills. They might also die a lot, but going 40-30 is not out of the realm, it happens on smaller maps.
The one thing I do agree with you on,....is that the striker has to loaded up with ALL the perks.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:13:51 GMT -5
ok, iw5000, just to confirm: k:d 20:10 with Barrett and Striker is the same aiming skill level or maybe there is any -significant- difference that you see? Sorry, i am not sure what you are asking?
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 4, 2012 13:09:19 GMT -5
edited.
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Post by exaltedvanguard on Jan 4, 2012 23:10:21 GMT -5
I'd say the disparity from the projected and actual kill ranges come from pellet spread. The theoretical kill ranges assume all pellets will hit the target, but at that distance some may have spread out to be wider than a man-sized target (and thus miss the target). Perhaps if you ADS it will tighten the spread and increase your distances?
It'd be interesting to see a comparison between range and damage profs, and which will actually result in greater ohk distance.
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Post by asasa on Jan 4, 2012 23:19:52 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wwa seems to be suggesting that shotguns require less "aiming skill" than the Type-95 or MK14. Anyone who has used the SPAS-12 or Model 1887 extensively knows those guns have a much higher margin of error than any AR or SMG. Perfectly centering hipfire crosshairs over centermass on targets in excess of 12m is difficult, especially when you're likely to die during the manual action if you fail to kill the target. You must be fast, accurate, and rarely get a second chance. exactly BULL. SHIT. The margin of error on the Spas and 1887 is far below the margin of error on ANY AR, even sniper rifles!
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