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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 14:15:33 GMT -5
www.callofduty.com/contentcalendar20 total - 12 Maps (I can see huge disappointment here)
- 6 SpecOps missions (bros who have played these, do you enjoy them? I have not played any)
- 2 Game Modes (these better be good, like at least better than 4 maps in value)
Logical conclusion: there will be NO new weapons. Detailed schedule for XBL: - January: Two new maps (Liberation and Piazza)
- February: New map
- March: New map, two new Spec Ops missions
- April: Two new maps
- May: New map, new Spec Ops mission
- June: New map, new Spec Ops mission, new game mode
- July: Two new maps
- August: New map, new Spec Ops mission, new game mode
- September: New map, new Spec Ops mission
From here you can see what the DLC packs are going to be: - March: 4 maps, 2 missions
- June: 4 maps, 2 missions, 1 game mode
- September: 4 maps, 2 missions, 1 game mode
Pricing: $15 each = $45 total < $50. Elite members will be slightly pissed. $20 each = way too expensive. My guess is it will be between $15 - $20, with the first one slightly cheaper (14/18/18? 16/17/17?). For reference: - COD4 has 1 map pack with 4 multiplayer maps - $10
- WoW has an update and 3 map packs with 11 multiplayer maps and 3 zombie maps - $10 x 3 = $30
- MW2 has 2 map packs with 5 multiplayer maps each (2 remake of COD4 maps, 3 new) - $15 x 2 = $30
- BLOPS has 4 map packs with 12 multiplayer maps and 8 zombie maps (3 are remake from WoW) - $15 x 4 = $60
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 14:23:24 GMT -5
Bros who try to decide whether to join Elite: now you should have enough information to make a call. The questions are simple:
Do you plan to play MW3 for 9 - 10 more months?
If yes, do you want to pay $50 for 12 maps + "some other not as important stuff (other DLC content, Elite TV, Competitions, Clan related)"?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 14:29:16 GMT -5
Another consideration:
In the past 2 days on XBL, I have noticed a shift of experienced players to the "Elite Playlists" section. Two phenomena happen as a result:
1) The non-Elite playlists have a significantly higher percentage of inexperienced players (or noobs). Lobbies become weaker compared to pre-DLC times.
2) Lobbies in Elite playlists are in general much tougher compared to pre-DLC times.
So if you are a great player and feel a bit tired pwning noobs, you may want to consider Elite membership just for more challenge.
I personally like this new segregation of players. When I am working on a less powerful weapon (leveling up pistols to Akimbo, LMG to thermal, 3rd tier weapons to gold, etc.) or wanting to goof around (knife only, XM25 fest, quick scoping SR like a shotty, etc), I'll do it in non-Elite playlists. If I want to play the new maps against tougher opponents, I'll play the Elite playlists with my best weapons.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by brutalonslaught on Jan 26, 2012 16:48:33 GMT -5
I find that the Elite lobbies are laggy as hell. Which pretty much confirms to me that 90% of people who think they are "good" are just lag monsters with a massive connection advantage.
Jump into a Ground War game with 6 more people and X amount more going on and it's smooth as hell. People with a ping >30 should be permabanned from XBL.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 17:08:10 GMT -5
I find that the Elite lobbies are laggy as hell. Which pretty much confirms to me that 90% of people who think they are "good" are just lag monsters with a massive connection advantage. Jump into a Ground War game with 6 more people and X amount more going on and it's smooth as hell. People with a ping >30 should be permabanned from XBL. I noticed the lag in Elite lobbies as well when I was playing in it yesterday. It's weird that for the first day the experience was pretty good. I am going to give it a couple of more days and see whether this is a persistent problem or not.
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Post by turboRush on Jan 26, 2012 17:17:16 GMT -5
I find that the Elite lobbies are laggy as hell. Which pretty much confirms to me that 90% of people who think they are "good" are just lag monsters with a massive connection advantage. Jump into a Ground War game with 6 more people and X amount more going on and it's smooth as hell. People with a ping >30 should be permabanned from XBL. Reason being that there's only 5,000 people playing at a time on the team deathmatch front which could lead to you getting stuck with people across the country or likely in a different country then yourself. Which would be the case for the 3 bar connection and maybe even 2 bar.
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Post by slowriot on Jan 26, 2012 17:22:16 GMT -5
whatever lag fixes they made in the last updates mean very little. all lobbies, elite or not, have more of a chance of being attacked by the lag-ness monster than ever before. i wish i still had my pc....
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Post by turboRush on Jan 26, 2012 17:26:17 GMT -5
whatever lag fixes they made in the last updates mean very little. all lobbies, elite or not, have more of a chance of being attacked by the lag-ness monster than ever before. i wish i still had my pc.... I find the lag to be at least fixed to a certain extent but if you do get stuck with what feels like a lag connection don't hesitate to leave the lobby (if you have just joined do not choose a class and instead back out and press start and leave)
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Post by slowriot on Jan 26, 2012 17:28:47 GMT -5
for sure. actually, i never stay in a lobby if i see red or yellow even for a second. and rarely connect to even a 75 ms server. im guess im still kind of a pc snob.
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Post by turboRush on Jan 26, 2012 17:29:28 GMT -5
for sure. actually, i never stay in a lobby if i see red or yellow even for a second. and rarely connect to even a 75 ms server. im guess im still kind of a pc snob. Lol as long as it's for the better.
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Post by matt337 on Jan 26, 2012 19:27:39 GMT -5
I can't seem to find an answer to the most obvious question.
Will the 4 groups of players (xbox elite, xbox, psn elite, psn) get 4 different release dates and what is the lag time between the groups of players.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 19:59:18 GMT -5
I can't seem to find an answer to the most obvious question. Will the 4 groups of players (xbox elite, xbox, psn elite, psn) get 4 different release dates and what is the lag time between the groups of players. What do you mean by release dates for xbox (non-elite)? Are you talking about the DLC pack that combines the content of Jan/Feb/Mar? If yes, it will be released in March and the exact date is not set yet. If I venture a guess, I don't see any reason why it should not be the same date as March content drop. The exact date for PSN elite is not set either. I assume the first drop should be around 02/24 (first day allowed by the MSFT - ActiveVision **** deal). The DLC pack should be release in April. Most likely the same day as the April content drop for PSN.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Jan 26, 2012 20:11:05 GMT -5
$50 for 12 maps. Pure garbage. It was misleading, just goes to show that you should know EXACTLY what you are getting before you put down any money. Very frustrated, I want my $50 back. I already planned on not buying elite next year, I'm so close to never giving Activision another dollar for anything again.
Activision is a morally-bankrupt corporation that knows absolutely no bounds when it comes to money grubbing. Bobby Kotick, burn in hell.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 20:30:20 GMT -5
Added prices to OP for previous COD titles for comparison. Unit price per multiplayer map: - COD4: $10 / 4 maps = $2.50 per map
- WoW: $30 / 10 maps = $3 per map
- MW2: $30 / 10 maps = $3 per map* (4 of them are remake from COD4)
- BLOPS: $45 (not counting the last zombie only pack) / 12 maps = $3.75 per map
- MW3 - Elite: $50 / 12 maps = $4.17 per map
- MW3 - buying as packs: TBD ($60/12 = $5?)
I can see that ActiVision is a good pupil of Microsoft's business practice (bundling, jack up the price when monopolying, annual subscription...) :-)
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 26, 2012 21:07:01 GMT -5
To break ActiVision's monopoly, we as FPS fans probably should root for a new franchise. BTW, fans of COD, COD4 and MW2 should know that IW is no longer what it was. Most of the people worked on these projects are now working for "Respawn Entertainment" ( www.respawn.com), backed up by EA. I wil definitely be keeping close eye on what their first game is going to be...: www.respawn.com/games/
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Jan 30, 2012 23:01:31 GMT -5
To break ActiVision's monopoly, we as FPS fans probably should root for a new franchise. BTW, fans of COD, COD4 and MW2 should know that IW is no longer what it was. Most of the people worked on these projects are now working for "Respawn Entertainment" ( www.respawn.com), backed up by EA. I wil definitely be keeping close eye on what their first game is going to be...: www.respawn.com/games/I don't know how BF3 did not break COD's monopoly. Even on console, that game outdoes CoD in just about every way, it actually feels like they put a lot of work into it and really care about the community... instead of... you know... But yes I am really looking forward to Respawn's first game. I've been following them since their formation, they've already come a long ways, and they've already made it clear that their game WILL have dedicated servers (West and Zampella claimed Activision wouldn't allow them to do dedicated servers for COD...)
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Post by goofoffjw on Jan 31, 2012 0:17:09 GMT -5
Well BF3 is a rather different type of game. It's almost a different genre. I did enjoy the beta to an extent, but I also had a lot of performance issues (I guess my PC is getting long in the tooth, can't afford to upgrade currently either).
To expand on that, CoD games are very fast-paced, have an actual killcam (a minor thing to some, but I like my killcams), are more about infantry-based combat over vehicles, and run well on my PC (aside from Black Ops... *twitch*).
BF3 just isn't for everyone, in spite of all the crap that CoD screws up.
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Post by Will on Jan 31, 2012 2:23:38 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet they will split it into 4 packs of 3 maps, $15 each for total of $60, rather than the 3 packs of 4 maps as suggested by the OP.
Why? Because they are greedy, that's why. This franchise is starting to burn me out. Good thing I picked up BF3.
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Post by Will on Jan 31, 2012 2:25:43 GMT -5
To break ActiVision's monopoly, we as FPS fans probably should root for a new franchise. BTW, fans of COD, COD4 and MW2 should know that IW is no longer what it was. Most of the people worked on these projects are now working for "Respawn Entertainment" ( www.respawn.com), backed up by EA. I wil definitely be keeping close eye on what their first game is going to be...: www.respawn.com/games/I don't know how BF3 did not break COD's monopoly. Even on console, that game outdoes CoD in just about every way, it actually feels like they put a lot of work into it and really care about the community... instead of... you know... But yes I am really looking forward to Respawn's first game. I've been following them since their formation, they've already come a long ways, and they've already made it clear that their game WILL have dedicated servers (West and Zampella claimed Activision wouldn't allow them to do dedicated servers for COD...) You can't play with your friends in BF3. If you create a squad and then search for a game, it almost always splits you up, and you end up spending hours trying to all get onto the same team. That reason ALONE makes BF3 unplayable. Such a shame too because it is a FAR superior game to COD.
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Post by seph on Jan 31, 2012 3:54:55 GMT -5
^ I figured that was unique to the beta, its kinda shocking that it isn't.
Is that ever going to be addressed?
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Post by wwaa on Jan 31, 2012 5:27:45 GMT -5
Any news about old maps?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 31, 2012 5:34:13 GMT -5
I assume that you mean whether the future DLC will include any favorites from COD4 and MW2? If this is your question, then I have not heard anything yet. However, in this thread denkirson.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nonsense&action=display&thread=3932 I did point out two possibilities of the upcoming maps: one with a skyscraper and one with a crashed airplane (reminded me of Highrise and Afghan of MW2).
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2012 15:05:26 GMT -5
I have mixed thoughts here.
1. I do feel a little jacked there is only going to be 12 new maps. I do feel a little ripped off by that. The six special ops maps are nice....but to be honest, i've only played about 30 min of special ops in all, so it's something I probably won't use. All in all, for giving them $50 last November....then watching Elite not work for a month, then still waiting now for the Clan operations (three months, they still aren't working)....the whole experience is kind of sh*tty. Very underwhelming, underperforming and simply not even remotely living up to the hype. Adn the contests? Who gives a rats azz about getting tshirts and online jpeg medallions.
2. All the above said.....i can't help though, to keep it in perspective. I just can't stay angry more than about...uhhhh.....seven seconds. The reality is, whether I pay $50 for Elite, or had paid $45 as I go along for 12 maps......$5 either way just isn't going to be a big deal when it's all said and done. Seriously, we'll drop $70 on drinks on one night (4 to 5 hours) at a bar.......how the hell can I get mad about either $100 or $105 for a game......something i will spend close to 20 plus DAYS playing? Jesus....when you break down the $ per hour of fun......this still works out to the biggest bargain in the history of amusement.
3. Seriously, do the math. I spend $80 taking my family to the movie theater. $26 an hour to be entertained. MW3? It works out to like $0.19 cents per entertainment hour. Lerts keep this real.
4. As far as hoping some new group comes in like Dice or the old IW guys like Jason West and Vincent Zampella? Pffftttttt. West and Zampella are the geniuses who royally f'd up MW2, turning the game into a 8 year old twinkie-love fest. I wouldn't be banking on them knocking off CoD anytime soon. And Dice? I played BF3. It's a good game....but it's a DIFFERENT game. As we could see from sales and XB user rankings....the typical CoD player isn't going to be liking BF3.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2012 15:12:08 GMT -5
Oh...and one more thing.
The new system for map releases is kind of strange. Allowing Elite paying members to get it first. It splits the player base, and I don't like this. If we get a group together, four who have the maps, and two who don't.....we can't play them.
As it is, i got these maps....and i have only played about 20 games in all on them. Due to half my friends not having them......i've gone back to the regular lobbies already. I just wish they would give them to everyone and rotate them in. Find another way to create value for the paying Elite members.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 31, 2012 15:21:09 GMT -5
I have mixed thoughts here. 1. I do feel a little jacked there is only going to be 12 new maps. I do feel a little ripped off by that. The six special ops maps are nice....but to be honest, i've only played about 30 min of special ops in all, so it's something I probably won't use. All in all, for giving them $50 last November....then watching Elite not work for a month, then still waiting now for the Clan operations (three months, they still aren't working)....the whole experience is kind of sh*tty. Very underwhelming, underperforming and simply not even remotely living up to the hype. Adn the contests? Who gives a rats azz about getting tshirts and online jpeg medallions. 2. All the above said.....i can't help though, to keep it in perspective. I just can't stay angry more than about...uhhhh.....seven seconds. The reality is, whether I pay $50 for Elite, or had paid $45 as I go along for 12 maps......$5 either way just isn't going to be a big deal when it's all said and done. Seriously, we'll drop $70 on drinks on one night (4 to 5 hours) at a bar.......how the hell can I get mad about either $100 or $105 for a game......something i will spend close to 20 plus DAYS playing? Jesus....when you break down the $ per hour of fun......this still works out to the biggest bargain in the history of amusement. 3. Seriously, do the math. I spend $80 taking my family to the movie theater. $26 an hour to be entertained. MW3? It works out to like $0.19 cents per entertainment hour. Lerts keep this real. 4. As far as hoping some new group comes in like Dice or the old IW guys like Jason West and Vincent Zampella? Pffftttttt. West and Zampella are the geniuses who royally f'd up MW2, turning the game into a 8 year old twinkie-love fest. I wouldn't be banking on them knocking off CoD anytime soon. And Dice? I played BF3. It's a good game....but it's a DIFFERENT game. As we could see from sales and XB user rankings....the typical CoD player isn't going to be liking BF3. This pretty sums up my thought process as well (except for the West and Zampella part because I have not played enough COD in the past for form an opinion about them): $50 is a bit pricy for 12 maps, but given that this is the only game I play for the next 10 months it is still a better deal than the money I spent on buying games that I have not played much. However, this is probably the line of thoughts they are counting on for the hefty price tag. When I am calling for competition, I am not talking about ditching COD. I mean to have the monopoly broken so they'll have to make things cheaper :-) I like MW3 for quite a few things: 1) the new point streak system; 2) the kill confirmed game mode (hopefully the 2 new ones are at least decent); 3) the weapon upgrade system. Compared to MW2, the only other COD game I played, MW3 is much cleaner and enjoyable. As a software engineer myself, I am quite disappointed by the new IW though due to the epic errors they kept making when releasing patches (MP Akimbo buff instead of nerf, had to revert shotty patch on PS3, etc, etc). This caused me to lose confidence about them making something good in the future, considering the core ideas of MW3 were most likely in place before the large exit of former employees. These errors are indication of a sub-par development team that did not have the in-depth understanding about the legacy code base they inherited from former owners.
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Post by asasa on Jan 31, 2012 15:33:19 GMT -5
lolololol
"STUFF WEVE NEVER DONE BEFORE"
meaning.. game modes, okay.. thats cool.. only 2, but w/e
and.. spec ops missions? :[
Iw, you disappoint again.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2012 16:15:07 GMT -5
This pretty sums up my thought process as well (except for the West and Zampella part because I have not played enough COD in the past for form an opinion about them): Well, it's my opinion (and again, only my opinion)...but I didn't like the direction West, Zampella (and others who left) took MW2. They really made the game 'childish' imho. The further moved the CoD gameplay into the kiddie zone. For example. The whole concept of the nuke. That one idea completely wrecked almost all the objective games, creating an entire player base of morons who simply stopped playing the objective, and played for the nuke...thinking it was the cool way to win. Yes, sometimes (like once in a forever) it worked, but more often than not, it just created a mess of gameplay. Agree. I played Mw2 quite a bit....because it was a CoD game...but all in all, MW3 is light years ahead in just about every single category. There is really is nothing MW2 does better. That's interesting to hear. Would love to hear more on that.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 31, 2012 16:22:42 GMT -5
This pretty sums up my thought process as well (except for the West and Zampella part because I have not played enough COD in the past for form an opinion about them): Well, it's my opinion (and again, only my opinion)...but I didn't like the direction West, Zampella (and others who left) took MW2. They really made the game 'childish' imho. The further moved the CoD gameplay into the kiddie zone. For example. The whole concept of the nuke. That one idea completely wrecked almost all the objective games, creating an entire player base of wacky guys who simply stopped playing the objective, and played for the nuke...thinking it was the cool way to win. Yes, sometimes (like once in a forever) it worked, but more often than not, it just created a mess of gameplay. Agree. I played Mw2 quite a bit....because it was a CoD game...but all in all, MW3 is light years ahead in just about every single category. There is really is nothing MW2 does better. That's interesting to hear. Would love to hear more on that. iw5000, I just did an EDIT to my most recent post to clarify my sentiment: BF3 seems to be a solid game but it's not my type (I watched some game play videos and don't quite like it, not to mention that they don't allow friends to play together. What's up with that?!, for a team play oriented game? ). I don't think that it can shake the COD fan base. Halo and GoW are solid franchises, but Sci-Fi shooters are simply not as popular, and not to mention that Microsoft holding them like its own babies and will never let them making it playable on other console platforms. They also have a burden on their campaign legacy they have to withhold to please their fans, while COD makers can keep making crappy campaigns and not worried about pissing off the community (which are 99% MP only).
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Feb 4, 2012 23:35:32 GMT -5
Check the shcedule again, May has been updated with a classified piece of DLC, making Elite 21 pieces of DLC. yay
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Post by wittyscorpion on Feb 5, 2012 2:04:34 GMT -5
Check the shcedule again, May has been updated with a classified piece of DLC, making Elite 21 pieces of DLC. yay This is certainly interesting development. Before: May: new map, new Spec Ops mission June: new map, new Spec Ops mission, new game mode August: new map, new Spec Ops mission, new game mode Current: May: new map, new Spec Ops mission, classifiedJune: new map, new Spec Ops mission, classifiedAugust: new map, new Spec Ops mission, cliassifiedTwo of them are probably still going to be new game modes. What the third one would be is anybody's guess :-)
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