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Post by battleaxerx on Mar 3, 2012 21:29:28 GMT -5
Will the recoil decrease of the flash suppressor do better at mid range than the HBAR will?
HBAR has spread, velocity, and range bonus, but a recoil penalty.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Mar 3, 2012 23:11:48 GMT -5
well, it's weapon specific. The G3 is gonna be amazing with the HBAR, because it only gets a 6.7% recoil increase, although it will only get 75% reduced spread instead of 100% like pre-patch... All other guns are either 10% or 15% more recoil, so I'd stay away from the guns that get a 15% penalty.
Flash Suppressor is probably gonna be my new favorite attachment on most guns. 25% less recoil? hell yes.
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Post by battleaxerx on Mar 4, 2012 0:08:57 GMT -5
Yeaaa. So, the majority of the time it's going to be flash suppressor though, right?
Both attachments increase midrange potency... I guess the HBAR is better at long range, but the FS is a great stealth tool... So, is there enough good about the HBAR to fight off having too many FS users?
Well I'm not too concerned with what gets used or not. I'm just trying to make sense of the attachments... I guess what I've come up with is:
FS +mid range +hiding flash
HBAR +mid range +long range
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Post by didjeridu on Mar 4, 2012 0:19:25 GMT -5
Well, some weapons have really low vertical recoil. In that case, both the reduction from FS and penalty from HBAR are minimal. Plus the HBAR gives velocity increase to some weapons. Aside from a weapon by weapon basis, I'd just say that mostly auto + bursting = FS, and mostly bursting + semi = HBAR.
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Post by rubionubio on Mar 4, 2012 11:00:42 GMT -5
There's a thread posted on Symthic where the OP has been a totally awesome bro and has plotted out the different guns with different attachments/combinations based on the most current data.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised about the overall usefulness still remaining in the foregrip. Specifically the foregrip/HBar combo for some guns is just really good in my opinion. You can see the actual spread increase that the Grip adds is absolutely negligible, just like Demize has said... The actual effect of a 25% increase or whatever just isn't very much, and it's mitigated a lot by the addition of the HBar.
There are a few turds out there and guns that are just going to absolutely insanely useless after the patch, but there are some that I'm actually really excited about using (L85 will soon be known as L85er - that's Laser - because it's got an ACR-level lack of recoil).
Not going to attach entire pictures like I did last time to dominate the page, but will create a new forum topic so as not to derail this one too much.
FYI new Flash Suppressor plots are : edit: PB Bandwidth! Hooray!
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Post by battleaxerx on Mar 4, 2012 15:19:54 GMT -5
^What am I looking at? I put the pic in MS paint to zoom in on it a bit...
pic on the left is stock, pic in middle is FS only, pic on right is FS and grip?... or just grip? And what good is the grip's recoil reduction if it has that much impact on spread? Not that I care the grip looks like a bad attachment now, but why use it at all exactly? =k
....edit, so ok, the grip centralizes recoil... but is even less accurate... I guess in practice is makes long bursts easier?... or something?
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Post by tiesieman on Mar 4, 2012 16:04:49 GMT -5
^What am I looking at? I put the pic in MS paint to zoom in on it a bit... pic on the left is stock, pic in middle is FS only, pic on right is FS and grip?... or just grip? And what good is the grip's recoil reduction if it has that much impact on spread? Not that I care the grip looks like a bad attachment now, but why use it at all exactly? =k ....edit, so ok, the grip centralizes recoil... but is even less accurate... I guess in practice is makes long bursts easier?... or something? The recoil is lowered so that 4th and 5th shot are more accurate however, if you control recoil the foregrip is probably more of a negative than a positive attachment.. I think it still lowers vertical recoil for the LMGs though, so it might be usefull for those
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Post by rudybojangles on Mar 5, 2012 8:46:25 GMT -5
^What am I looking at? I put the pic in MS paint to zoom in on it a bit... Most browsers support [Ctrl]+scroll wheel and/or [+] key for zooming in.
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Post by battleaxerx on Mar 5, 2012 19:24:09 GMT -5
ahh, i though that only worked for font stuff... thanks =)))
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Post by Tapap on Mar 5, 2012 21:04:44 GMT -5
well, it's weapon specific. The G3 is gonna be amazing with the HBAR, because it only gets a 6.7% recoil increase, although it will only get 75% reduced spread instead of 100% like pre-patch... All other guns are either 10% or 15% more recoil, so I'd stay away from the guns that get a 15% penalty. Flash Suppressor is probably gonna be my new favorite attachment on most guns. 25% less recoil? hell yes. Where are you getting these numbers?
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Post by didjeridu on Mar 5, 2012 21:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by Tapap on Mar 5, 2012 21:29:46 GMT -5
Oooooo
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Post by phale on Mar 5, 2012 23:48:28 GMT -5
Based on the plots I saw of the HBAR before the picture's bandwidth got exceeded, I'm going to be running the heavy barrel on as many guns as I can. Honestly, with carbines it looks like it could be borderline OP - the spread reduction is tremendous on not only the first shot but the subsequent shots as well. Coupled with a foregrip to counter the HBAR's downside, you get a weapon with significantly increased accuracy, reduced spread and recoil, and increased range at a marginal cost of reduced hipfire accuracy. Aside from a close range rush class, HBAR, especially with foregrip, is an ideal setup for almost every weapon that can accept it.
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Post by battleaxerx on Mar 6, 2012 0:12:58 GMT -5
Based on the plots I saw of the HBAR before the picture's bandwidth got exceeded, I'm going to be running the heavy barrel on as many guns as I can. Honestly, with carbines it looks like it could be borderline OP - the spread reduction is tremendous on not only the first shot but the subsequent shots as well. Coupled with a foregrip to counter the HBAR's downside, you get a weapon with significantly increased accuracy, reduced spread and recoil, and increased range at a marginal cost of reduced hipfire accuracy. Aside from a close range rush class, HBAR, especially with foregrip, is an ideal setup for almost every weapon that can accept it. Why did you have to say that? =((( You're right, everyone is just going to go from one thing to another and we'll never have variety...
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Post by baron on Mar 6, 2012 1:27:19 GMT -5
Why did you have to say that? =((( You're right, everyone is just going to go from one thing to another and we'll never have variety... oh, I don't know about that. the suppressor's value isn't just in the statistics, you know? I think there are plenty of people who will still find it far more advantageous to remain hidden when firing. plus the tac-light is still hilarious.
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Post by tiesieman on Mar 6, 2012 4:09:32 GMT -5
Oh, I only just saw the spread per shot penalty for the HBAR is gone completely
yeah, we're gonna see it alot
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Post by osqer on Apr 17, 2012 22:04:09 GMT -5
hbar=bipod? im is one nubz
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Post by Keralastic on Apr 17, 2012 22:29:34 GMT -5
hbar=bipod? im is one nubz The "HBAR" is the Heavy Barrel attachment.
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Post by osqer on Apr 17, 2012 23:20:44 GMT -5
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Post by didjeridu on Apr 18, 2012 15:27:07 GMT -5
Spread, aka the random deviation that causes your bullets to not go exactly where you're pointing. In the foregrip's case, it causes your minimum spread to increase. As you fire a gun, it gains spread. With a foregrip's higher min value, you'll be at higher spread values after each shot than you would without one.
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Post by tiesieman on Apr 20, 2012 10:29:23 GMT -5
It's a bit easier to explain
The foregrip adds an aribitrary 0,1 min spread (don't look at the multipliers, it's 0,1 spread for any weapon, any stance). Nearly all weapons have a 0,1 spread increase per shot. Everytime you shoot (full auto, might I add), you get 0,1 extra spread added to your min spread
The foregrip basically means you've fired óne shot already in terms of accuracy. It only really makes a difference if you're shooting at 100 metres or so
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