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Post by dcbrady12 on May 10, 2012 15:41:56 GMT -5
Personally I like seeing all of the weapon stats against one another. Hope this helps some people out. Questions or comments let me know. *Also, recoil / grades are moderately ARBITRARY so don't troll complaining how your fav gun isn't ranked higher...
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Post by mrite on May 11, 2012 5:34:46 GMT -5
Just going to make a quick guess and assume that the gun grade is based purely upon TTK, otherwise the Famas would not be so far up. Also, why do the pistols have TTK and the Semi-Auto snipers have no TTK
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Post by Marvel4 on May 11, 2012 8:07:55 GMT -5
SG553 - 430 RPM? That's definitely wrong.
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Post by turdferguson on May 11, 2012 8:47:26 GMT -5
Also, you have the AN-94 at 600 RPM, which is technically correct for full auto. But you should consider the 1200 RPM burst. That makes it an A++ I think.
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Post by didjeridu on May 11, 2012 15:44:14 GMT -5
Rating system colors should be reversed, ie red bad, green/blue good. Also, rating systems are a bad idea, since they're always tainted with personal opinion. I don't like showing capacity as the +1 value. It's too misleading and unnecessary. An icon or something that shows what weapons get +1 in the chamber would be better. There's no need for rounds per second. I can't tell if you put a rating value on recoil or what, but the real recoil values are what actually matter. Finally, there are no spread values, which are very important.
Overall, I think the chart needs a lot of tweaking. I will say that I like the straight, spreadsheet format, and I'm glad you put in the fire modes and actual reload times. On a random side note, I really don't like Symthic's new chart, so something like this would be nice. I could make one myself but...eh. I do enough with spreadsheets at work.
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Post by y260 on May 13, 2012 6:24:27 GMT -5
Ahhh I can't look at this. I'm having fun with my late start in BF3, and every unlock is so mysterious. Must..not..have..statistical..bias
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Post by rudybojangles on May 14, 2012 10:14:01 GMT -5
Ahhh I can't look at this. I'm having fun with my late start in BF3, and every unlock is so mysterious. Must..not..have..statistical..bias Once you look, there is no amount of bleach that will wash out the information! ;D But I wouldn't worry about it. There is no magical combination that is hidden in the numbers which no one else is using. Just remember, as a rule, Heavy Barrel on everything you can. Grip on heavy-horizontal recoil. That's about it. Oh, and also ALWAYS USE EXTENDED MAGS for maximum epicness.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 0:16:04 GMT -5
What is everybodys opinion on which is the best LMG? Excluding the AR style LMGs, that is. I haven't really used the support class, and basically my knowledge of it consists of M249 = high RPM, and PKP = high damage over range.
Is grip even worth using on them? The way I see it, if you're not using them to lay down heavy accurate fire then use an AR.
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Post by didjeridu on Sept 30, 2012 13:04:55 GMT -5
Normally there's no such thing as "best," but I'd say belt LMGs are an exception. PKP gives the best balance of recoil and rate of fire, as well as having the best reloads of the high damage LMGs. The positives of the M240 and M60 aren't worth the negatives. The low damage belt LMGs aren't worth using, unless you plan on exclusively close range combat with the M249.
The only belt LMGs I'd use a grip on are the M249 and the M240, and the M240 is only there as a different flavor of close range combat. The M240 is still better off in a traditional bipod role. While belt LMGs get better grip bonuses, they have higher spread than traditional weapons, and the grip only makes it worse. If you want to run and gun with an LMG, that's what the M27/MG36/L86 are for.
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Post by tiesieman on Sept 30, 2012 16:15:23 GMT -5
M60 vs PKP is actually a decent match..I think the M60 wins. The small difference in rate of fire vs small difference in accuracy, I'd take accuracy
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Post by didjeridu on Oct 1, 2012 16:08:37 GMT -5
I use the M60 for the recoil, but that's just my personal preference (and it's the M60, enough said). If I had to go by raw performance, then the PKP wins. But that could also be preference as well, since I reload every chance I get, and the M60 is terribly slow at reloads. PKP on the other hand, is pretty nice. Still, they're pretty close, even if I give the PKP the slight edge.
M240 on the other hand, isn't. As is, it's just a bad PKP. Although to its credit, it's still my favorite LMG when it comes to looks. They should buff it to 750 RPM (like it should be already), and lower the max damage to 30 to prevent turning it into death incarnate at close range. But this is DICE we're talking about, and they'd rather stick to "bullet uniformity" than actually balance weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 1:21:29 GMT -5
Which LMG has the lowest recoil?
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Post by SheWolf on Oct 3, 2012 9:09:03 GMT -5
from the top of my head i'd say RPK 74M, but then again it has been a while since i last played support.
love the avatar, btw, creeps me the hell out and makes me laugh at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 15:05:47 GMT -5
from the top of my head i'd say RPK 74M, but then again it has been a while since i last played support. love the avatar, btw, creeps me the hell out and makes me laugh at the same time.
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Post by didjeridu on Oct 3, 2012 15:35:41 GMT -5
Creepy.
Anyway, RPK for laser mode. Hey DICE, making the AKs the weak, no-recoil weapons is not cool. Not sure if I've mentioned that, but just throwing that out there. But seriously though DICE, I hate you.
For belts, the recoil doesn't really matter when using the bipod. If you want an LMG that has decent recoil out of bipod (without being complete trash like the T88/LSAT), then the M249 and M60 are good choices. The M60 might seem like it has heavy recoil, but most of it is just visual, and pure vertical is easy to control. The M249 isn't as good for semi and short bursts, but its recoil makes it self correcting for longer bursts and full auto fire.
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Post by SheWolf on Oct 3, 2012 15:43:31 GMT -5
i really like how you substituted "relentles spray&pray" with the much more sir-like "self correcting". x)
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