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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 19, 2012 12:42:14 GMT -5
I just wanted to say thank you to bf3 for having descent pump shotguns. With Thanksgiving coming up I feel this should be appropriate.
Dear Lord, I thank you for 12g slugs with moderate fire rate in pump shotguns. I thank you for 25 meter one shot kills to the chest with slugs. I thank you for infinite range head shots. I thank you for precision sights, fast ads movement, and good total ammo load out.
I pray oh Lord that buck and flechette get slight buffs to both max and min damage to compensate for the dominance of slugs when used by an accurate player. And please God if it pleases thee do not forsake your servants usas 12 and frag rounds. They may have angered thee with their conduct in the past and have fallen from thy grace. But thier enemies are strong and plentiful. I pray you have mercy on on them and that their fire rate or damage per shot output be bolstered to weather the multitude of assault rifle users and their medical tools that are poised against him.
And finally I thank thee oh God of heaven for thy favor of me. I thank thee for all the 100+ kill tdm games. I thank you oh Lord for the consistent one shot kills with slugs. I thank ye for all the hate mail I have received. I thank thee for all those that have been, are, and will be butthurt by my actions. And I pray that all enemies set against me be continually anally frustrated by my efforts against them. I thank thee for thy continuous blessings.
Your humble practitioner of the shotgun arts,
Brick2urFace.
Amen.
Now lets go eat some noobs.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 19, 2012 12:54:36 GMT -5
real men use buck
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 19, 2012 13:06:51 GMT -5
I went 104-15 with 870 exmags and buck the other night. But I went 109-14 a few days ago with spas exmags and slugs. I appreciate the mix of performance and lulz that all shotgun ammo offers. But I prefer slugs for their mid range capabilities. Nothing like one shotting a m416 camper from 50 meters with a shotgun. You can almost hear the blood vessels in their eyes popping.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 19, 2012 13:23:02 GMT -5
I'm also a fan of the DAO-12 and the M1014. The autos are decent, but not great. Usable though.
But that Striker...dayum
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 19, 2012 13:29:04 GMT -5
I'm also a fan of the DAO-12 and the M1014. The autos are decent, but not great. Usable though. But that Striker...dayum The autos are terrible. They have the range of a short sword. Semi's are okay. But they are not as manly as a pump shotgun. For me its midsize sadan=semi auto shotgun. V8 boss hoss motorcycle=pump shotgun. Sadan is sensable. V8 boss hoss is badass. Now if you constantly take your sadan and run through crowds of people the badassness can be increased.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 19, 2012 14:26:15 GMT -5
I always did good with the Jackhammer. The USAS...not so much. But still is usable.
And a revolver shotty is on the same level of badassness as a pump action. It's a giant revolver shooting 12 gauge shells Also is nicely animated
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Post by didjeridu on Nov 19, 2012 18:07:28 GMT -5
870 is the shotgun for manly men. SPAS is the shotgun for boys pretending to be men. USAS is for wimpy babies.
Anyway, yeah, BF3 has good shotguns. My only complaint is how grossly superior the SPAS is when compared to the 870. Oh, and why does the SAIGA have a silencer listed in Battlelog when you can't unlock it? Also, I wish the semi-autos had their old RoFs back. I like the pellet changes, but for slugs/frags the M1014 may as well not exist. Okay, so I have a few complaints, but that's only because I love shotguns so much. I don't care that the USAS and Jackhammer suck. As far as I'm concerned, auto shotguns shouldn't exist. They're a nightmare to balance properly, and regardless of how strong or weak they are, they're still for terrible players.
The SAIGA is my new flame; well, at least until I hit 400 and didn't get my silencer. Still, large capacity and magazine reloads are a beautiful thing. The 870 will always be my true love however. I was never a fan of the DAO. It barely has more ammo than the SAIGA, yet it takes all day to reload. Yeah, you can reload whenever you want, but as a sufferer of ORD (obsessive reload disorder) I must be at full capacity whenever possible.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 19, 2012 21:02:34 GMT -5
870 is the shotgun for manly men. SPAS is the shotgun for boys pretending to be men. USAS is for wimpy babies. Anyway, yeah, BF3 has good shotguns. My only complaint is how grossly superior the SPAS is when compared to the 870. Oh, and why does the SAIGA have a silencer listed in Battlelog when you can't unlock it? Also, I wish the semi-autos had their old RoFs back. I like the pellet changes, but for slugs/frags the M1014 may as well not exist. Okay, so I have a few complaints, but that's only because I love shotguns so much. I don't care that the USAS and Jackhammer suck. As far as I'm concerned, auto shotguns shouldn't exist. They're a nightmare to balance properly, and regardless of how strong or weak they are, they're still for terrible players. The SAIGA is my new flame; well, at least until I hit 400 and didn't get my silencer. Still, large capacity and magazine reloads are a beautiful thing. The 870 will always be my true love however. I was never a fan of the DAO. It barely has more ammo than the SAIGA, yet it takes all day to reload. Yeah, you can reload whenever you want, but as a sufferer of ORD (obsessive reload disorder) I must be at full capacity whenever possible. I make no distinction between the manlyness of the spas and 870. The 870 is a war hammer and the spas is a great axe. They each have their strengths. I greatly prefer the 870 with flechette to anything besides the spas with slugs.
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Post by didjeridu on Nov 20, 2012 19:34:46 GMT -5
Honestly the 870 doesn't have any strengths. It already fires slower than the SPAS, then it gets hit further with a RoF penalty if you want to use flechette or frags. As if that wasn't bad enough, the SPAS has a tighter cone, so it's not like that 1 pellet advantage means anything when it comes to raw damage. Although Symthic is still outdated, so for all I know they could have changed it with AK. I love the 870 for the looks and low screen usage. The SPAS looks okay (especially since they got their heads out of their ass and lowered the stock), but the 870 actually looks like a shotgun, and a sleek sexy one at that.
Anyway, I use the opposite: 870 for slugs and SPAS for flechette. Granted I haven't used the SPAS in forever, but still. Using the SPAS for slugs makes me feel dirty. And just to add another snippet to the gushing love for slugs: I love how they're so much better than bolt rifles at close range. I love using bolts for close to medium range, but there aren't too many games that let you use them with low zoom or no sights. Pump slugs give me that, and that's less time I have to spend as a smelly Recon. Win-win.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 20, 2012 22:41:58 GMT -5
the 870 does not get a decreased fire rate with flechette. It fires at the same rpm with everything except frags. The spas does not get the increased pellet speed that most weapons do with flechette. The 870 does.
The spas faster fire rate and tighter hipspread make slugs a far better option than on the 870. Since they do the exact same damage with slugs the spas tight hip spread and faster fire rate makes it a strait up better slug gun.
I love recon. That is my most used class by almost 3/1. Spawn beacons are the greatest asset to rushers in bf3. Throw spas with slugs on a recon kit and you are going to have a good time.
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Post by didjeridu on Nov 21, 2012 17:03:18 GMT -5
Like I said, Symthic is probably outdated, but per his latest shotgun data the 870 fires at 109 RPM with flechettes and frags. Also, cone of fire and spread aren't the same for shotguns. The 870 and SPAS have the same spread values for all ammo types; it's the pellets where the cones come into play. I'd like to believe you on the RPM, but I can only go off of the data available. However that velocity difference is something I never saw before (and only further cements my preference for flechette over buckshot). I can see it making a noticeable difference at longer shotgun ranges, but if I'm using pellets I'm usually close enough that it doesn't matter. I'd still rather have the spread advantage of the SPAS.
Regardless, my choice of the 870 is aesthetic/personal, and my "choice" of SPAS for flechette is more of a hypothetical one. I take it back in the sense that the 870 is the only pump I'll ever use. I'm more or less just grumpily admitting the SPAS is a better 870 (in my opinion). Luckily I'm also a gun hipster, and the fact that the SPAS is so popular keeps me from using it. I got my 100 kills with it, and that's all I need.
Rush is the only time I play Recon. A good Recon (keyword good, and is quite rare) is valuable in most any situation and gametype. However in Rush their equipment easily makes them second only to the all powerful Assault and their defib. If your team/squad isn't braindead, a MAV and spawn beacon make attacking or defending a cakewalk. I like to goof around with bolts, but I hate sniping. Although I do love killing bolt snipers with my SKS and hearing them cry about it.
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 21, 2012 21:56:05 GMT -5
The spas does have a tighter cone of fire. That is somewhat easy to see online. The spas with buck has a 2.5 spread while the 870 has 3.0. Flechette drops the spread by .5 so the spas with flechette has a 2.0 hipspread, but it does not have the 450 m/s velocity with flechette that the 870 has. I'm almost positive the 870 is 125 with flechette. Last time I used them the m26 is noticeably slower than the 870 and that thing fires at 109 rpm. I will check tonight.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 22, 2012 3:59:10 GMT -5
best shotgun btw is cork popper, aka the MASS the sound man the sound
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 22, 2012 15:23:55 GMT -5
I can confirm that the spreads are different with buck and flechette. Flechette is tighter. It definitely feels like the 870 with flechette shootd faster than the m26.
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Post by tiesieman on Nov 23, 2012 10:08:13 GMT -5
Yes, i think 870 is 125 RPM while the MASS is around 90 RPM
But I repeat, shooting it sounds like corks popping
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Post by Brick2urface on Nov 28, 2012 11:28:09 GMT -5
Okay i am probably wrong about the infinite range head shots. I tried to snipe people with the spas+ slugs+ rifle scope and I clearly hit the dome piece on several shots but no kill. I do get frequent one shot head shots at range but that may be because 2 bullets from litterally anything in the game is enough to lower health enough to head shot them. I have picked off a ton of snipers off the crane on noshar with one headshot but it appears they might have taken some damage previously.
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 5, 2012 20:05:03 GMT -5
just here to confirm that the MASS shooting noise is great, and that I am not above playing assault with 870 buck and M26 on infantry maps
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Post by kirbyderby on Dec 5, 2012 23:57:23 GMT -5
the MASS shooting noise is great I concur.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 8, 2012 5:24:34 GMT -5
Brick, after that Blops patch I just went and played Battlefield again.
Holy doo-doo, night and day difference. I was tearing doo-doo up with the 870 and M1014 Also, these aftermath maps are pretty gosh darn golly gee whiz good, both visually as well as gameplay. Karkand-style infantry mixed with vehicles
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Post by ParaGoombaSlayer on Dec 8, 2012 6:17:26 GMT -5
I use the 870 with the night vision scope, extended mags, and slugs. Everything in my one hit kill range is bright green and it's kind of difficult to miss a bright green blob. I might be slightly better off without any sight/scope on it, but playing the game through the night vision scope looks sweet.
Also, what are the stats on the grenade launcher shotgun rounds?
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 8, 2012 11:07:24 GMT -5
I use the 870 with the night vision scope, extended mags, and slugs. Everything in my one hit kill range is bright green and it's kind of difficult to miss a bright green blob. I might be slightly better off without any sight/scope on it, but playing the game through the night vision scope looks sweet. Also, what are the stats on the grenade launcher shotgun rounds? That's a good point. If you're using slugs for close combat exclusively, then the IRNV is not a bad choice. I still hate that it doesn't see far (which is fair, since the sight is mostly used as a crutch) but I love the sight itself. If there was a non-IR, no sway version of it, it'd be great. Pump frags are 37.5 - 10, and semi frags are 20 - 5 for the projectiles. Explosions for both versions do 25 damage. All shotguns get a RoF and velocity decrease when using frags, but the 870 gets hit the hardest; aka, SPAS is better. Check here for more details, but note that this is not up to date with the current patch, as the M26 still has the terrible ADS spread: forum.symthic.com/battlefield-3-technical-discussion/3624-shotgun-charts/
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Post by ParaGoombaSlayer on Dec 8, 2012 23:22:55 GMT -5
I use the 870 with the night vision scope, extended mags, and slugs. Everything in my one hit kill range is bright green and it's kind of difficult to miss a bright green blob. I might be slightly better off without any sight/scope on it, but playing the game through the night vision scope looks sweet. Also, what are the stats on the grenade launcher shotgun rounds? That's a good point. If you're using slugs for close combat exclusively, then the IRNV is not a bad choice. I still hate that it doesn't see far (which is fair, since the sight is mostly used as a crutch) but I love the sight itself. If there was a non-IR, no sway version of it, it'd be great. Pump frags are 37.5 - 10, and semi frags are 20 - 5 for the projectiles. Explosions for both versions do 25 damage. All shotguns get a RoF and velocity decrease when using frags, but the 870 gets hit the hardest; aka, SPAS is better. Check here for more details, but note that this is not up to date with the current patch, as the M26 still has the terrible ADS spread: forum.symthic.com/battlefield-3-technical-discussion/3624-shotgun-charts/No, the 40mm shotgun rounds for the M320 grenade launcher. You can use standard grenades, smoke grenades, and 40mm shotgun rounds for the thing. I think they're called 40mm Dart rounds. Yeah, people seem to think slugs are to be used long range. While they are better than the other kinds of shotgun rounds at long range, they're best used at close range to abuse the 1 hit kill capability. I tried using the Holographic and Red Dot sights with the 870, but the outer metal rings of the two sights block too much of the center of my screen and throw me off. The night vision scope doesn't have this problem and it only has 1x zoom so it's good for close range combat. The sway only matters if I'm trying to pick off someone who is unaware from outside of my 1 hit kill range with a head shot.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 9, 2012 8:17:08 GMT -5
I love the Striker. It's monstreous
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 9, 2012 17:30:08 GMT -5
Yeah, and that's why I despise the Red Dot. I have no idea why it's so popular. While the reticle on the Kobra isn't the best, at least the frame doesn't take up half your view.
And sorry, I thought you were referring to frag rounds as a shotgun grenade launcher (which they are, in a way). The M320/GP30 do 25 - 8.4, 12 pellets, 2.5 cone, 450 m/s. Needless to say, that's quite brutal. Also, while the M320 is named "Buck," they both supposedly fire flechettes, which would give great multikill potential.
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Post by ParaGoombaSlayer on Dec 9, 2012 19:59:38 GMT -5
Yeah, and that's why I despise the Red Dot. I have no idea why it's so popular. While the reticle on the Kobra isn't the best, at least the frame doesn't take up half your view. And sorry, I thought you were referring to frag rounds as a shotgun grenade launcher (which they are, in a way). The M320/GP30 do 25 - 8.4, 12 pellets, 2.5 cone, 450 m/s. Needless to say, that's quite brutal. Also, while the M320 is named "Buck," they both supposedly fire flechettes, which would give great multikill potential. The interesting thing about the 40mm shotgun round is that when you unlock it, the in game pop up shows a bunch of flechette/darts and it's called, "40mm Dart Rounds". When you look in the m320's description on Battlelog, it says, "the M320 allows a larger variety of ammunition to be used with the weapon including Fragmentation, Flechette, Smoke rounds and Low Velocity Grenades." When you look on Battlelog at all of the unlocks you have for the m320, it shows a 40mm grenade round next to a bunch of Flechettes yet it says "M320 Buck. A close range 40mm buck shot, for those close quarters." And when you configure your loadout in the in game menu, it's called M320 BUCK, it has a buck shot icon, and the Intel for the weapon says that it's 40mm buck shot. Seriously, wtf. I should use it more to determine if it's flechette or buck. Because 25 max damage for flechette is pretty good. You only need to get 10 kills with the m320 to unlock it.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 10, 2012 12:34:52 GMT -5
I was running around on noshar with this. If you can tell cantol how many people you engage at once you can do some serious damage.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 10, 2012 16:46:48 GMT -5
You were running around with what?
Also, never been a fan of the m320 buck/dart/flechette/toodles while i was in BC2. Seemed inconsistent. Gotta try it again though
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 10, 2012 17:37:40 GMT -5
I always had good experiences with the 40mm in BC2. I don't use it in BF3 though, since the M26 exists. I love the immense power of the 40mm, but the M26 is strong enough as a finisher or ohshit button, plus you have capacity in case you get unlucky.
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Post by Brick2urface on Dec 31, 2012 10:59:14 GMT -5
You were running around with what? Also, never been a fan of the m320 buck/dart/flechette/toodles while i was in BC2. Seemed inconsistent. Gotta try it again though m320 buck. Its really funny. Kids are mad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 22:33:56 GMT -5
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