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Post by lazy on May 22, 2013 17:42:21 GMT -5
^ exactly what you said earlier why does it cost more to download than buy a new copy it is £ 50 for CoD download or £40 in the shop so which you buy? whoever buys the download must be a complete tit!
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Post by torrero on May 22, 2013 18:10:25 GMT -5
Im just gonna throw this out there, gamestop is one of the most shorted stocks on wall street right now. it's no secret they have a dying business model, one that will only be accelerated by these new consoles and direct game downloads and no trading policies. this is the future, i suggest you guys just get on board. and before someone says, WAIT Torrero, why then is GME up 44% this year and the S&P500 is only up 16% ? to that, i answer: epic short squeeze.
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Post by wings on May 22, 2013 18:33:00 GMT -5
But if all the publishers bargained more with the MS/Sony they should get a better deal. Surely it would be a cheaper alternative than our current situation? I believe you can buy games direct from Sega.
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Post by batman on May 22, 2013 20:30:51 GMT -5
The argument isn't made simply because there aren't people fighting it. Also AAA game development costs are pretty high as of late and the publisher has less than 50% of the game's retail cost to spend of development and marketting. also its important to keep in mind that physical copies of those all have sales on a very regular basis. you also don't see too many people complaining about not being able to resell their PC games because its not at all unheard of for the major online retailers to sell things for 50% off within a few months of release.[/quote If it were like that on consoles there would be far fewer complaints. As it stands most digital games on xbl cost full price or very close to it. There is no reason to buy them except supporting the dev and saving some gas.
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Post by wings on May 22, 2013 23:02:33 GMT -5
That quote from Don sounds retarded. For some reason when I saw the live stream about it I likened the Xbox One to an iPad and this quote from him kinda reminds me of Apple's stubbornness in not supporting USB (that has changed for a while now) because they had invested in their own proprietary connections in Thunderbolt and I forget the other one. I imagine a lot of gamers don't actually play online so I don't see this reason behind this policy.
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Post by wings on May 22, 2013 23:08:04 GMT -5
If it were like that on consoles there would be far fewer complaints. As it stands most digital games on xbl cost full price or very close to it. There is no reason to buy them except supporting the dev and saving some gas. That and not everyone's connections would be able to download large files so easily so they'd have to manage the cooling of the system if gamers resort to downloading content overnight. Only Japan has top quality Internet throughout the country from my understanding. Being in the UK we have fibre optic but it's near enough a monopoly and it's quite expensive for what it's worth. I'm on fibre optic purely because my phone line connection is too slow for me to do anything but the occasional web browsing (because of rich content on websites) that I'd be better off just using a public library. It appeared okay to game online but I might have given everyone laggy lobbies and it took an age downloading wonderful GBs of updates because yay Battlefield.
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Post by wings on May 22, 2013 23:33:12 GMT -5
im just miffed because it would be entirely reasonable to mention that the hardware is incredibly different from the past two consoles and including backwards compatibility would likely drive up the costs significantly. You see, I wouldn't mind that if they said so. It's just his quote is stupid. Backwards compatibility has been used in previous technologies, such as USB, for good reason.
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Post by wings on May 22, 2013 23:33:47 GMT -5
im just miffed because it would be entirely reasonable to mention that the hardware is incredibly different from the past two consoles and including backwards compatibility would likely drive up the costs significantly. You see, I wouldn't mind that if they said so. It's just his quote is stupid. Backwards compatibility has been used in other technologies, such as USB, for good reason.
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Post by wings on May 22, 2013 23:42:19 GMT -5
It was pretty lame all around. I'm glad I didn't watch it live, you know it was boring when everyone is raving about a foxtrotting dog. 500gb harddrive is such a joke too, we know it's easy to offer 1TB, Microsoft... Huh? I thought they were going to use SSD for their capacity (some rumour of no more spinning drives years ago) and not mechanical ones. How backwards of them not to move with the times.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 23, 2013 2:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by Dumien on May 23, 2013 3:09:28 GMT -5
Not good. I use monitors. Going to have to buy convertermawhoosit Plus...not everyone can afford HDTVs. I know 3 people around me who, currently, would not be able to play Xbox One because of this restriction.
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Post by tooros on May 23, 2013 11:35:45 GMT -5
Yep - nor (for those that do) Mega expensive force feedback racing wheels a la Fanatec etc. Been laughing at that vid above sinc last night This is (seriously) a very good and insightful read.I hate to say it but unless the above is addressed: It'll be PS4 or (possible more likely - steambox)
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Post by lazy on May 23, 2013 12:07:47 GMT -5
^that is a good article i said the same myself in a previous post. i have got a cable box and a games console under my tv why do i need one that mixes the two. if i bought an Xbox 1 i probably wouldn't use those features how can i watch tv/play game and Skype at the same time I have trouble doing one at a time nevermind two.
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Post by Geo on May 23, 2013 13:03:55 GMT -5
Walmart shoppers gonna be pretty bemused when the XBone is in the electronics section next to the other way cheaper BluRay players and DVRs.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 23, 2013 13:32:16 GMT -5
Not good. I use monitors. Going to have to buy convertermawhoosit Plus...not everyone can afford HDTVs. I know 3 people around me who, currently, would not be able to play Xbox One because of this restriction. HDMI goes into monitors just fine. HDMI-DVI adapter is less than ten dollars. And the "can't afford an HDTV" argument is straight BS. They cost less than the console, for crying out loud. We're not talking a thousand dollars anymore - a (small) set can be had for less than $150. That's lawn-mowing money. Anyone who can't afford that should be worried about what they're going to eat, not goofing around playing video games.
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Post by otisman666 on May 23, 2013 14:54:35 GMT -5
This article accurately describes how I feel. GREAT READ.
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Post by TheHawkNY on May 23, 2013 15:21:15 GMT -5
I think that article is spectacularly wrong.
First, it's that no one wants stuff getting in the way of their TV viewing experience. But then they acknowledge the fact that everyone's already doing this stuff on a separate device while watching TV. And if you don't think that you can add to the experience of TV by getting in the way of it, then you're just silly. They already have deals with ESPN and the NFL, two companies that already have tons of information on-screen while you view them. Being able to pull in your fantasy football team on Sundays and have that scrolling along the bottom bar would be awesome. Having it show the scores most relevant to your interests would be great. Being able pull up highlights, news stories, etc would also be awesome.
Is this a joke? Those weren't products of consumer demand - they created great products which drove consumer demand. When Netflix started streaming, the demand for streaming video wasn't nearly what it is now. When Apple launched the iPhone, the demand for smartphones wasn't nearly what it is now. They took a device, simplified the interface, gave it new features that already existed in other products, and in doing so tremendously expanded the overall smartphone market. Microsoft appears to be doing something similar with the Xbox One.
You may not think that there's a demand for an enhanced TV viewing experience. I think if Microsoft does this correctly, in 5 years watching TV without the enhanced experience might be as foreign a concept to some as not owning a smartphone.
But past that, it seems like what Microsoft is attempting to do is to do to the home PC what Apple did to the smartphone - simplify it and make it more accessible to more consumers and expand the market. You know who might want a simple, voice or motion controlled PC that shows up on their TV? The elderly and technophobes. You know, some demographics not currently served by the PC market? You know what would be a killer app for them? Video calls. The ability to answer the phone without having to move, remember where they left the phone, and of course to see who they're talking to.
Here's what I think Microsoft's trying to do in a nutshell - put together a device that's a simplified PC / enhanced TV experience / gaming console; convince the cable companies to subsidize the cost of the device the same way that wireless providers subsidize the cost of smartphones; and get the device in as many homes as possible. If the end of the year comes around and for signing a two year cable contract you can get an Xbox One for $200 and that includes Xbox Live, and a PS4 is retailing for $500, a lot of people will be reaching for a pen. Back when I had Time Warner Cable, I would have paid $200 just to get the Xbox as a DVR instead of that pos Scientific Atlanta cable box I was forced to use. And of course, with multiplayer being such a huge part of gaming now, how many people are going to opt for a PS4 if all of their friends are on Xbox? Right now, I'd say the PS4 runs the risk of becoming a product only for a hardcore/niche audience like the PS Vita.
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Post by asasa on May 23, 2013 15:26:17 GMT -5
Not good. I use monitors. Going to have to buy convertermawhoosit Plus...not everyone can afford HDTVs. I know 3 people around me who, currently, would not be able to play Xbox One because of this restriction. You mean you didnt use HDMI to your monitor? I confused. I guess as someone who has a PS3, thats the only way I knew to do it.
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Post by brutalonslaught on May 23, 2013 16:44:34 GMT -5
On reflection I like it.
1. Anything that stops poor people from playing is good by me. They should be out getting jobs, not playing games. 2. Second hand games not an issue 3. Always on, my Xbox is always connected to my router anyway 4. Kinect, if it works properly (i'm thinking Star Trek) then it will be fun. This type of technology is obviously the future but it will be at least a decade til people start laughing at those using a mouse. 5. Online games with dedicated cloud servers and storage is the future 6. Xbone is a great nickname
I think hardware wise they could have gone a bit bigger but undoubtedly later iterations will improve that. The pricing seems competitive too.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on May 23, 2013 16:55:31 GMT -5
6. XBone is a great nickname OMG, i agree with BO on soemthing....
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Post by wings on May 23, 2013 19:10:24 GMT -5
Also, the voice recognition system will be handy for all those fat kids who are too bone idle to manually change stuff. All those Doritos and Mountain Dew have got to take their toll.
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Post by Dumien on May 23, 2013 20:25:21 GMT -5
Anyone who can't afford that should be worried about what they're going to eat, not goofing around playing video games. lol. Sorry you feel that way. One of the great things about the 360 was the affordability that came with it. Last time we had a LAN party we had 2 guys with tiny box televisions that they used all the time. And trust me...they aren't goof offs. But lets not get into a discussion about lower/middle class america.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 23, 2013 20:39:49 GMT -5
For about the cost of two months of internet service, you can get an HDTV. Three months, max.
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Post by wings on May 23, 2013 20:44:57 GMT -5
Add to the fact if you're on XBL you're paying for that too. I am swaying towards the PS4 if I am to get a new console.
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Post by Dumien on May 23, 2013 20:51:53 GMT -5
On a side note Mr. Mustache. I forgot. PS3 or 360?
I had been meaning to play with you but I forgot the system you play on.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 23, 2013 21:05:50 GMT -5
On a side note Mr. Mustache. I forgot. PS3 or 360? I had been meaning to play with you but I forgot the system you play on. I'd have hit you up for sure by now if I was on 360. For me, chances are back to the Xbox and not a PS4. So I hope to see you then.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 23:01:36 GMT -5
6. Xbone is a great nickname I really really really hope that Xbone sticks as a nickname
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Post by Aphoristic on May 23, 2013 23:01:47 GMT -5
Walmart shoppers gonna be pretty bemused when the XBone is in the electronics section next to the other way cheaper BluRay players and DVRs. If you aren't expecting ads for it on TV to entice those consumers, you are mistaken.
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Post by lackingdamage on May 24, 2013 11:06:14 GMT -5
I still want to see how the TV stuff from the new xbox works in the good old UK or EU. So far looking at the xbox and PC, however that depends if playstation can pull off the service they promise. People are going on about xbox should have showed more games but with almost all devices moving into one device you use. That would be unwise Sony used the PS4 to say "Look we messed up gamers here all the stuff you wanted last time and most likely getting the TV bolt ons too" Xbox "Look XBL you love and the TV stuff you like all in one"
Do have fears for the first party support for xbox vs PS4 Designer of the xbox one must be a boring guy due it looks.
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Post by ElysMustache on May 24, 2013 13:04:35 GMT -5
Well, it no longer looks like a children's toy, if that's what you mean. It looks like an A/V component, as well it should.
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