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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 2, 2014 14:42:18 GMT -5
Yeah, the lack of fire power stopped up cold. Probably should cut xXPghNets15Xx some slack as it appears to be his first hard run. Not that matters because XBL was a big mess after the DDoS attack and we probably couldn't have finished a full run anyway. I can't play tonight, so good luck everybody. With Heb back, me out of the way, and help from Kakashi/etc, it should be a smooth sailing for you guys I'll ask for a favor though . I really want 3 loot items from VoG before the expansion pack drops: 1) Fatebringer after defeating Templar on hard; 2) Titan helmet after defeating Atheon on hard; 3) Vision of Confluence after defeating Atheon on normal or hard. So if you guys can save me a Templar hard checkpoint and an Atheon hard checkpoint, it would be awesome.
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Post by Dumien on Dec 2, 2014 22:09:07 GMT -5
This group hangs out near the back right conflux for Templar. Looks viable as an alternative to the Gato Gambit... I used this strategy last night with my group to complete 3 back-to-back hard raids. Fairly effective.
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Post by malgato on Dec 2, 2014 23:32:27 GMT -5
Yeah, looks like you are fairly safe from boss damage. I also like the strategy of the relic holder smashing detainment bubbles.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 3, 2014 7:46:48 GMT -5
The method Hebb posted looks pretty easy. Only bummer is we will no longer get the 5th chest. That's just a chest with shards & energy? As long as it is not one that could produce exotic weapons it is acceptable to not get it, considering that we need less AMs now with exotics no longer requiring them to upgrade. What is this witty? A new change?
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 3, 2014 8:00:51 GMT -5
Not sure when Stone is gonna be back. I know he was gonna be gone for a little while. HebbNH should be available tonight though if everyone else can make it. We might be able to dig up GeneralIce, Kakashi, Aroc, or someone else to fill in a gap or two. I am now in Daytona, work part of the trip. I should be back on Saturday,... So you can count me in on anything after that. Would like to get some Destiny playing this upcoming weekend. Also some clan war CoD playing in too on sat or Sunday. By Sat, it will be like 12 days without the XB1 (or any TV/computers/etc). That's been nice, as I am a huge outdoors person, but I'm ready to come back. Miss my dogs most of all and I am tired of being around my daughter lol.
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Post by hebbnh on Dec 3, 2014 9:48:20 GMT -5
That's just a chest with shards & energy? As long as it is not one that could produce exotic weapons it is acceptable to not get it, considering that we need less AMs now with exotics no longer requiring them to upgrade. What is this witty? A new change? Yes. Lots of new changes with the Monday's patch. Exotics no longer require ascendant materials to upgrade, just planet materials (which are now purchasable from vendors -- 20 mats for 10 marks) and glimmer until the last upgrade which now requires an exotic shard (new material obtainable by breaking down an exotic or buying from Xur for 7 strange coins).
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Post by Dumien on Dec 3, 2014 11:06:23 GMT -5
pretty fantastic changes TBH. btw there seems to be a cool new versionf of the Malgato Gambit...
There is a "safe spot" that the relic guy can hide near. The bonus is it overlooks the back left oracle!
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Post by malgato on Dec 3, 2014 12:56:39 GMT -5
pretty fantastic changes TBH. btw there seems to be a cool new versionf of the Malgato Gambit... There is a "safe spot" that the relic guy can hide near. The bonus is it overlooks the back left oracle! Awesome! Now if we can just get the rest of the Destiny community to embrace the name...
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 3, 2014 16:17:07 GMT -5
With all the excitement about "Malgato Gambit" (feels like the exact opposite of the "Scorpion Mode" ) and the new expansion pack, let's do some serious planning for raids: I am staring at the following time slots: 1) Thursday evening; 2) Sunday; 3) Monday evening; 4) Sleepless early Tuesday morning, aka "sick"-day-Tuesday-embrace-the-new-expansion-pack binge gaming grind Who are in for which slots? I am definitely in at 5:30pm PT of 1), whole day of 2), likely 3), and can be available for 4) if there are enough interest.
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Post by thebb22 on Dec 3, 2014 16:25:51 GMT -5
I think I can make Thursday work. I'm sure I'll be on some Sunday, but not sure if I'll have time to raid. And I can most likely do Monday evening as well.
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Post by hebbnh on Dec 3, 2014 16:35:36 GMT -5
I'm out for Thursday, 50/50 for Sunday night, 75% for Monday night, and 100% for Tuesday night for TDB content. Sunday night just depends what time I get back into town.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 3, 2014 17:27:44 GMT -5
Looks like next Monday is quite doable, tomorrow looking very grim with both Heb and Stone out, while Sunday might be possible with Stone back and Heb on "maybe" (although we have never been able to get any of the Sunday sessions work, and it is AW's Clan War weekend).
Is there any chance for us to make late Thursday evening work, like 9pm PT? If yes, I have a friend (Sleezy318 from HSV1 clan that some of us played Iron Banner with) who can join. Based on past experience my guess is no.
Anyway, below are how it looks for this weekly cycle, likely to be our last serious pushes of VoG hard before Crota's End takes center stage:
12/04 Thursday VoG hard - tentative start 5:30pm PT
1. Witty 2. Thebb22 3. Sleezy318 (after 9pm PT) 4. Open 5. Open 6. Open
12/07 Sunday VoG hard - time TBD
1. Witty 2. Thebb22 3. HebbNH: 50% 4. Stone? 5. Open 6. Open
12/08 Monday VoG hard - tentative start 5:30pm PT
1. Witty 2. Thebb22 3. HebbNH (75%) 4. Open 5. Open 6. Open
As for Crota's End: the earliest I can do it is most likely next Thursday 12/11. If you guys can get a team together before then, just go ahead.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 3, 2014 21:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 4, 2014 14:35:47 GMT -5
Looks like a Raid tonight is extremely unlikely, so I am going to delay my start time from 5:30PT to 7:30-8 PT. I am going to try my luck with Raid LFG, let me know if anybody is interested in joining me.
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Post by hebbnh on Dec 7, 2014 14:16:09 GMT -5
So...time to start planning our first Crota's End attempt? I'd be in for Thursday if that still works for you, Witty.
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Post by Dumien on Dec 7, 2014 15:27:18 GMT -5
Got no proof, but I *almost* soloed templar the other day. Trout's crew bore witness... it started taking too long and I started making silly mistakes, but I had a repeatable plan of attack that I feel I could do if I was at the top of my game.
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Post by mannon on Dec 7, 2014 16:45:14 GMT -5
Do it and post it on youtubes. ;3
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 7, 2014 16:53:48 GMT -5
So...time to start planning our first Crota's End attempt? I'd be in for Thursday if that still works for you, Witty. Thursday definitely works for me. I can start no later than 5:30 PT. I am also pondering whether I should take Tuesday off and be part of the first wave of crazy gamers that binge through Crota's End at the "frontier". Without a raid party, I'll have to LFG it. Any bros crazy enough to join me? At this point I am 50-50... Regarding Monday night: I can't start until after 7pm PT. If that's too late for you guys, just go ahead without me.
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Post by malgato on Dec 7, 2014 18:02:28 GMT -5
I can raid Monday at ~430 PT.
Tuesday and Thursday are bad for me this week.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 8, 2014 11:25:52 GMT -5
I can be on pretty much anytime tonight.
Last night was fun. I have to say, I was dragging ass a bit though. I did the whole Daytona to Pa drive Sat & Sun...so was getting really tired as we moved past midnight. I was falling asleep as we hit 1am and on. Also the first time playing Destiny in like two weeks. I was a bit off my game last night, so I hope I didn't drag the group down.
I would like to take a crack at the Atheon save point tonight. I really do feel like we had Atheon close to being killed last night, a couple of times.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 8, 2014 12:24:14 GMT -5
Sleezy can't play until after midnight eastern time. His schedule is tough.
Looks like you guys should have the following group:
VoG Hard 12/08 Monday @4:30pm PT:
1. Mal 2. HebbNH 3. THebb22 4. IW5K 5. Dumien? 6. Open
I probably can get on around 7 - 7:30pm PT and help if you guys are still going and need an extra player.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 8, 2014 12:28:25 GMT -5
I can be on pretty much anytime tonight. Last night was fun. I have to say, I was dragging ass a bit though. I did the whole Daytona to Pa drive Sat & Sun...so was getting really tired as we moved past midnight. I was falling asleep as we hit 1am and on. Also the first time playing Destiny in like two weeks. I was a bit off my game last night, so I hope I didn't drag the group down. I would like to take a crack at the Atheon save point tonight. I really do feel like we had Atheon close to being killed last night, a couple of times. I need to get much better at relic. I have passed the noob stage and accumulated some experience, but in the heat of fight I am not thinking quick on my feet and improvising accordingly. I feel comfortable taking down the praetorians and minions with the relic, it's the actions afterwards that I suck. I can get a lot better with a few more rounds of using it.
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Post by hebbnh on Dec 8, 2014 13:01:17 GMT -5
I won't be on tonight, sorry. With Tuesday, Thursday, and last night totally booked as raid and expansion content time, the wife would kill me if I was on all night tonight too.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 8, 2014 13:06:44 GMT -5
Killing with the relic is pretty easy. Air jump/smash once or twice, shield bash, you are done. The Venus side is a bit trickier, because if you mis-time your air smash, the Praetorian can teleport past you and go attack your oracle shooters. I f'd this up one of the times I was relic carrier. Praetorian went underneath me, and I couldn't adequately catch up.
The tricky part is timing when to do your cleanse, and coordinating that with your two fellow oracle shooters. With me last night, I had my timing off on when to cleanse. I know there is a timer initially. You have to wait 'x' number of seconds? I was asking last night. But at least for me, that's the hard part. Rounding up the two other players and getting them together, cleansing them, etc..
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 8, 2014 13:34:37 GMT -5
Killing with the relic is pretty easy. Air jump/smash once or twice, shield bash, you are done. The Venus side is a bit trickier, because if you mis-time your air smash, the Praetorian can teleport past you and go attack your oracle shooters. I f'd this up one of the times I was relic carrier. Praetorian went underneath me, and I couldn't adequately catch up. The tricky part is timing when to do your cleanse, and coordinating that with your two fellow oracle shooters. With me last night, I had my timing off on when to cleanse. I know there is a timer initially. You have to wait 'x' number of seconds? I was asking last night. But at least for me, that's the hard part. Rounding up the two other players and getting them together, cleansing them, etc.. Assuming the relic is picked up right away, The first cleanse becomes available around the time when the 2nd or 3rd Oracle is spawned and killed. Don't know how long that is, and whether it is tied to player's discipline number or not. Once the cleanse is available, the grenade button only needs to be pressed and held for 1-2 seconds to do the cleanse, and can be used multiple times. It helps greatly if the relic holder does the following: 1) Give clear instructions on where he intends to do the next cleanse; 2) Go to the oracle killers proactively if they are too occupied;
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 8, 2014 13:47:00 GMT -5
Easier said than done lol.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 8, 2014 14:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 9, 2014 9:41:12 GMT -5
Quick question for Xbox players.
I would like to experience the fun of exploring a new Raid, and get the thrill of bumbling around and figuring things out. Yes, this takes longer, can be more frustrating, but I think it might be fun, to get that experience of working together to solve things on the fly. Seeing things for the first time.
I think this could be fun for a time or two....do it this way, rather than jumping into the Raid and just being told what to do. 'You go there', 'You stand there', 'You will do this'. Pretty much being led and hand-holded. Not taking shots at anyone there. I am VERY appreciative of everyone who has showed me all they know. But I think there can be fun to be in finding things on one's own.
I know Post is leading a group right now, today (Tuesday). Would anyone be interested in getting our own 'first time' group together? Try it without being told what to do by someone? There's no rush right now. No hurry. Why not try some fun this way. Explore.
We have myself (Stone). Witty? Heb1? Heb2? Mal? ..I could get Aroc. Probably Sleezy. Probably a few others.
Thoughts?
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Post by hebbnh on Dec 9, 2014 9:54:23 GMT -5
I'm in for whatever. You thinking today? Thursday? Personally I'd like to be able to get all my Nightfalls and Heroics out of the way today and then give the new raid a shot Thursday. With the Nightfalls and Heroics having to be unlocked by completing several quests/bounties from Eris, I'm not sure how much time that would leave for a raid attempt tonight. Waiting until Thursday also gives us the option of looking stuff up if we get totally stuck at some point, whereas I'm not sure how much info will be available today. I'm all for trying it "blind" first, but at the same time I don't want to spend hours doing something that should only take 5-10 minutes. Maybe give each section a 30 or 60 minute limit for trying to figure it out on our own before resorting to a guide? I dunno.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 9, 2014 10:07:01 GMT -5
I'll do those Nightfalls with you tonight. Do you want to set up a time for Thursday?
The bigger question is this, ..if we wait till Thursday, what are the odds of getting six people wanting to try it fresh? And when I say 'fresh', I mean without having memorized how to do things by watching on Youtube and other places.
That's the problem with waiting. Thursday might be good, but you stretch it any further, I know what will happen. We'll get four or five together, ...and then someone is going to be like "HEY, LET'S GET XXXXX, HE'LL HELP US GET IT DONE FASTER". Or someone is going to have memorized the entire thing from Youtube, so they can tell everyone what to do. Everyone is also going to be in a rush, to hurry up and finish. Or hurry up and 'wait'. Get the first Raid done quickly, so you can get your gear faster, so you can then start endlessly grinding materials/shit to level it up faster, so you can quickly get to level 33, so you can then get to Hard mode faster, get to level 36 quickly, so you can then.....
...oops, next DLC comes out and you get all the level 36 stuff for free.
Speaking for myself. I am not in a hurry. There's very little content in this DLC for the cost. A new Strike? That fun will last thirty minutes. The Raid? That fun could last a while. So why rush it? Have fun with it. Play it as the developers intended it to be played, ...which means taking some lumps and exploring. I don't want to spend $34 for this expansion stuff, get into the new Raid, and then have some Destiny know-it-all jump into a group showing everyone how to glitch this, cheat that, and basically how to blow through it in 2 hours. Sometimes the fun is in the ride, not rushing to get to the leveled end. And now that we've seen how Destiny handles that end....it sucks. Whatever you grind/work for, everyone gets for free next DLC.
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