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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 9:52:11 GMT -5
Been playing CoD since 2006/2007, and I never thought I would be saying this. What happened to push me to the brink? Last night's experience.
So I signed on last night, as we are preparing for the Clan War tonight. It was early, so I played about seven games solo. My experience was mostly pleasant and fun. Probably won four of the seven games, but I wasn't even tracking it. Didn't care. Just playing to have fun. I was tracking my KD, for reasons I will explain in a bit. Overall my KD was exactly 1.78 after those games. Not real high, but consistent as I didn't have a single negative game. Additionally, all seven games were different/unique lobbies. The experience was fun.
Then people start getting on. I can't get into a friend's lobby, his settings keep saying private. He can't get in mine. We hard reset. Minutes later, we finally get the 3rd and 4th in. But our fifth guy can't get in. We all have to back out, try to reform. That works, but the sixth is still having problems. All in all, it takes about 12 to 15 minutes to get our group of six together. That is fvcking ridiculous. And this isn't an XB1 problem, it's a SledgeHammer problem with the XB1...as other games on XB1 (like Destiny) have no problems whatsoever with grouping up. But wait, there's more. We start playing. We have a very very strong group, at least based on how things used to be in CoDGhosts. Even with AW, everyone is over a 1.0 KD, with four of the six over 1.80, and two over 2.0. What happens next? We play eight games of Dom. Eight separate and unique different lobbies. We proceed to win two, and lose six games. But games that are just out of this world baffling. I start out one game on 'Retreat', going 1-24. Setting aside dumb spawns (which I have been beaten down into accepting), almost all those deaths were gun deaths. I see people. 1v1. I shoot. I die. Another game I go like 12-50. I feel like I am 500 milliseconds behind people. I'm watching some of our 2.0 plus KD guys going deeeep negative. Some of the games are jittering, frame rate drop.
Hands down, worst ever CoD experience in the last nine years. Eight unique games. I went negative every game. My KD was a ghastly 0.56.
What in God's name am I supposed to do with this game? It's not my equipment. My XB1 console NAT setting is open. The console's advanced settings show a very low ping. I have Verizon Fios, the top tier monster package. The console is hardwired into Fios. I've checked the port stuff. I even have a top of the line Scuff controller, to give me that extra equipment edge.
I've watched every one of Driftor's and OvenMuffin's videos on SBMM and connections, as well as read all the posts on here and Reddit...ten times over. What more can I do?
1. My bad experience last night, yes, that is anecdotal. But it's also a very strong trend. I have been watching this closely for weeks and weeks now. Last night was unusually more bad, but the trend is clear as a day. I play solo TDM (or some other modes), my KD is significantly higher than when playing grouped up, which is mostly playing Domination. I wish I had something better to test things with, more data, but KD is only real stat to use. My solo KD is probably around 1.65 overall. My playing grouped up (Dom/some other modes), is residing below 1.0. Yes, one could or might say when I play Dom, I play the objective more, the KD will be lower. But on the other hand, playing grouped up 100% of the time on Dom, should offset that a little bit. But the gap is HUGE. pushing 0.80 pts now. But more so, it's not just the numbers gap, it's the experience. Playing grouped up almost ALWAYS leaves me agitated. I can see jitter, frame shuttering, hitmarkers up the azz, etc...Games like last night, where I start out 1-24. This is the norm, when full partied up, with those couple of individuals.
2. Is it SBMM? Again anecdotal, but when I do group up, loose evidence seems to find the above horrific games occurring with higher KD friends. Another trend I notice is that the above bad experiences seem to happen more when I am in a mostly filled party. Like five or six people. Sometimes game chat, usually XB1 party chat.
3. Is it something with the Dedis? More specifically, the troubles seem to be with two higher KD friends who are in the Midwest (Missourri and west Tenn) I live in PA. Could there be some 'star network' thing going on that Driftor mentioned, where one of them grabs host to a Dedi, and then I am connecting onto them? (star networking) Driftor mentioned that when he gets a dedi (1 in 3 games) it's typically from the Midwest, Kansas City.
4. Is it a "I suck" issue, mixed with the dumb gun variant issue? I do NOT have any of the good variants of the Bal or ASM1. I am on 4th Prestige and still have not gotten any. This sucks. I have picked up these guns before, from dead opponents. I know they are better. They are noticeably better. Playing good players, I now know I am at a slight disadvantage before the game even begins. But what can I do? It's a fvcking loot drop.
I don't want to be posting this thread. I just want to have fun. But after last night, I am at my wit's end. I'll also add that a number of the guys in our group were pulling their hair out too. The whole group broke up after about an hour or two. People were like, 'this sucks'. What are we supposed to do?
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Post by sleepy on Jan 30, 2015 10:19:20 GMT -5
I vote Den bro's "iw5000" 2015's Pvssy of the Year
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Post by fpsdredd on Jan 30, 2015 10:21:55 GMT -5
Record some gameplay and post it. It helps to review your own games but it's better when someone else does.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 10:23:41 GMT -5
I vote Den bro's "iw5000" 2015's Pvssy of the Year I'll second that. But before you do an official nomination, please wait until I start posting up comments talking about how I deserve weaker opponents, like Scumpi did. Ok? Fair enough? I'll give you a head's up when that post is coming (if it ever does)
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 10:26:28 GMT -5
Record some gameplay and post it. It helps to review your own games but it's better when someone else does. I have one video up. Actually two. Have to find the links. But they are both only like short spurts. The problem with recording gameplay, is this. XB1 only allows 5 minute intervals. To do a whole game, one must stop mid-game when the recorder is done, to reset the timer/recording. By the time you dash out to the menu, get into the DVR, then unsnap, back into the game, one is MIA for about 45 to 1 minute. Fvcks up the game process. I'll see what I can do.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Jan 30, 2015 10:28:03 GMT -5
ASM1 Magnitude with Grip and Rifling It's not the Speakeasy, but you'll manage.
HBRa3 Average Joe with Quickdraw and Stock It's not the Obsidian Steed, but you'll manage.
In my experience partying up with people isn't worth the price you pay in lag. Solo all day.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Jan 30, 2015 10:55:02 GMT -5
Play more. You're a vet. You know Call of Duty. However, AW is the largest paradigm shift the game has ever seen and, even after four prestiges, you may not have come fully to terms with them.
Also, I second playing solo. It's highly possible that your clan mates are compromising your connectivity quality. When I do clan wars, I always have three bars since everyone else is on the wrong other side of the country.
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Post by Will on Jan 30, 2015 11:15:37 GMT -5
The people you group up with are geographically far away from you, correct?
I get the same issue - when I play solo, I get amazing connection lobbies with all local people. But when I group up with my friends from the other side of the continent, I notice quite a large delay (not 500ms like you said, maybe 100-200? Usually a difference of 2-3 bullets in the killcam).
I really think this regioning is the issue, not SBMM, because we are all at or around 1.0 K/D, and have the same issue.
It is probably such a problem in AW due to the dedicated servers. They are probably exclusively used for the region where they reside, so when your group is split up over different regions, the game can't match you to a specific dedi, and says "oh well - you get a shitty lobby with a player host". This would severely cut down on the number of available matches, as most players would be playing solo or in a party with local friends, so the problem compounds itself.
The only solution I have is to play hardcore. Then you don't have to worry about tracking/leading enemies, you just have to get the 500ms jump on them and you win the fight, since everything kills in 1-2 bullets.
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Post by beesting on Jan 30, 2015 11:19:47 GMT -5
Definitely a connection thing and not an equipment or skill thing. Better guns give a small edge but that is all. That is why you picked up someone else's elite gun...you killed them with an inferior weapon and more skill. An elite weapon comes close but cannot bridge the gap between good and mediocre or good and great. Be happy, play solo or in pairs. It will get fixed at some point...I hope.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 12:50:21 GMT -5
I can buy into the "largest paradigm shift the game has ever seen" theory. I know full well I am not as good as I was in prior CoD games. I won't even try to deny that. I know I haven't put in the required time into the game, it needs more time.
but...
What keeps throwing the above off is when I go play solo, and go like 23-1 in a TDM match. But not just that isolated great match now and then, but consistently do well while solo TDM playing. A 1.65 career TDM KD isn't bad, considering I started late on this game and have no gun variants. It's not the 3.10 KD I had in Ghost TDM...but I get the learning curve. I also occasionally (not often) will play Dom solo, or with one other person. I still don't do bad, and never EVER see horrific games like last night. I'm not exaggerating in saying, that if I had rank up my worst 20 CoDAW games....all twenty will be 1) when playing Dom, 2) party of five or six people, and 3) playing with two of the higher KD players, who 4) live in the Midwest. No blowing smoke there. I can almost recall all the games now in my head. It's always that combination. This sucks, as they are long time playing friends.
CoD AW is a different game. But the skills and understanding of the game, you learn over eight years, don't just go away.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 12:54:41 GMT -5
The people you group up with are geographically far away from you, correct? I get the same issue - when I play solo, I get amazing connection lobbies with all local people. But when I group up with my friends from the other side of the continent, I notice quite a large delay (not 500ms like you said, maybe 100-200? Usually a difference of 2-3 bullets in the killcam). I really think this regioning is the issue, not SBMM, because we are all at or around 1.0 K/D, and have the same issue. It is probably such a problem in AW due to the dedicated servers. They are probably exclusively used for the region where they reside, so when your group is split up over different regions, the game can't match you to a specific dedi, and says "oh well - you get a shitty lobby with a player host". This would severely cut down on the number of available matches, as most players would be playing solo or in a party with local friends, so the problem compounds itself. The only solution I have is to play hard core. Then you don't have to worry about tracking/leading enemies, you just have to get the 500ms jump on them and you win the fight, since everything kills in 1-2 bullets. The core group, best I can tell is made up of these areas. Missouri. West Tennessee. UK (yes, overseas). west coast and well...it's a wide mix of areas as its another 40 people or more. It's definitely not grouped up in one region.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 12:55:42 GMT -5
ASM1 Magnitude with Grip and Rifling It's not the Speakeasy, but you'll manage. HBRa3 Average Joe with Quickdraw and Stock It's not the Obsidian Steed, but you'll manage. In my experience partying up with people isn't worth the price you pay in lag. Solo all day. How long does one have to play, to get the good guns? I don't have the Average Joe.
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Post by beesting on Jan 30, 2015 13:04:54 GMT -5
Average Joe and Magnitude are the marksman versions of each gun, so they come after 300 kills guaranteed
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Post by pupilofcod on Jan 30, 2015 14:35:03 GMT -5
My friends get the weird party up issues too. Before disbanding/reforming try giving another party member leader in lobby (now with gold star lol). This works for when you send invites and teammates get "session full" even though you only have 4 or when they accept the invite and get put into a match when you guys are waiting in the lobby. When it does work just transfer the leader back, or not, though sometimes you will get an error trying to make someone the leader because reasons. I'm not going to even go thru the crap that happens when the controller battery dies mid match and then the mic stops working in the party....sigh. Lastly no matter how much you love them, stay away from burst and semi guns when the connection goes to poop...it just multiples the pain and frustration. Full auto, 1shk, or maybe even a shotgun.
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Post by fpsdredd on Jan 30, 2015 15:12:43 GMT -5
I have to disagree on the game being unfinished. Don't know my playtime(think it's around 10-12 days), but even then I'm discovering new stuff every day. Small quirks and things that are making the game so fun.
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Post by thegentleman on Jan 30, 2015 15:22:59 GMT -5
I still enjoy AW as a whole, but there's been a huge disconnect between what I think I do in the game and what the game feels I actually do. The connection quality makes up 70% of my complaints towards AW. I know you don't like the K/D metric, but in Ghosts I ended the game around a 2.4. Now I'm at a 1.2. Certain modes that I like I don't play because it just feels out-and-out stupid to be shooting at people, have it do nothing, and then have all of their incoming bullets register on me at once.
The netcode is just out-and-out garbage this time around. I've said this before, but in Ghosts quickdraw gave a 100ms advantage in aiming down sights and was considered so valuable that it was a 3-point perk. That's the dirty secret. Any advantage you can get on another player in terms of reaction time is critical. If you're playing in a game where every other player has double or triple quickdraw for everything, it's pretty obvious what's going to happen.
I admit when I'm flanked or outplayed by someone outmaneuvering me with the boost jump. I had one dude get a great kill on me by boosting into the air, exo-shielding to block my incoming fire for a second, and spraying me when I hit my reload. That was a cool moment that taught me something, and where all of the mechanics came together to create a moment where I got truly and fairly wrecked. I'm a smart enough player to realize these moments are not the reason why my ability to win a gunfight has gone from 70% to 54%. What makes me back out of lobbies are the moments where someone runs through my fucking bullets and sprays me down on flat ground. That happens a lot. And in TDM and Dom games, no less. I'm not trying to play hardcore CTF. In some games, it feels like a dice roll between "you can actually do something" and "you will never win a gunfight." People get the drop on me when I'm ADS'd and they SPRINT around a corner, STOP, AIM, and kill me as I'm shooting at them. That's broken.
And like you, I checked to see if it was a connection thing. My TV's set to game mode, most speed tests give me 16 ping to nearby servers (in Los Angeles, so conceivably at least 12 people on a server somewhere between Portland and Mexico city should be at least 100ms for me and finding it should be cake). Same TV, same internet. Maybe the PS4 playerbase is way smaller, but this kind of territory is new ground for me in terms of online gaming.
These days, when I have a frustrating moment, I put the game down. Until the next balancing patch hits the PS4, I'm just not playing it. I went through Assassin's Creed: Unity. I might play The Last of Us again. But whenever I do that, the shame for SHG is that I'm one less player out there to connect with. At this time in the BOII or Ghosts life cycle, I was on pretty much every night playing for at least 2 hours. Now? Not so much. I'm also looking forward to Rainbow Six: Siege. The novelty of some more viable weapons might suck me back in for a while, but that time isn't now.
I think that a lot of this collective player absence will get noticed. If the player count drops like a rock, or if DLC sales are terrible in comparison to past games, Activision is going to do whatever they can to save their cash cow. If SHG is the cause of poisoning the well, that studio is going to get gutted or reassigned. But I do think that if players are unhappy, buying DLC drops is about the dumbest thing you can do from a consumer perspective. Make the decision never to buy a season pass any more. Stop playing for a while. See if they do anything different in the long run.
It's not a great strategy for affecting change, and the core issues that affect AW may or may not be fixable, but it's basically the only course of action you've got.
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Post by bradman on Jan 30, 2015 15:24:33 GMT -5
I approach it as a different franchise altogether, and as such, can have fun (always rolling solo),but only for much shorter sessions than previous versions. I have zero interest in unlocking anything else, and will certainly not buy any DLC. To be perfectly honest, the fact that I purchased digitally is a factor in my continuing at all.
So I-Dub, just go with your gut. Quit. Play something else. Destiny helps, as does going back and playing the older CoDs. Hell, maybe you should try Battlefield again. I can't fathom why more people here don't play it. It is miles ahead of CoD as a franchise at this point.
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Post by bucket415 on Jan 30, 2015 16:05:46 GMT -5
The game sucks, the connection sucks, SBMM sucks, lag comp sucks, COD sucks now. Glad most people are getting hit in the face with that fact now. QUIT. DO IT. DO IT PUSSY!
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 16:31:40 GMT -5
I admit when I'm flanked or outplayed by someone outmaneuvering me with the boost jump. I had one dude get a great kill on me by boosting into the air, exo-shielding to block my incoming fire for a second, and spraying me when I hit my reload. That was a cool moment that taught me something, and where all of the mechanics came together to create a moment where I got truly and fairly wrecked. I'm a smart enough player to realize these moments are not the reason why my ability to win a gunfight has gone from 70% to 54%. What makes me back out of lobbies are the moments where someone runs through my fuc king bullets and sprays me down on flat ground. That happens a lot. And in TDM and Dom games, no less. I'm not trying to play Touch Football CTF. In some games, it feels like a dice roll between "you can actually do something" and "you will never win a gunfight." People get the drop on me when I'm ADS'd and they SPRINT around a corner, STOP, AIM, and kill me as I'm shooting at them. That's broken. And like you, I checked to see if it was a connection thing. My TV's set to game mode, most speed tests give me 16 ping to nearby servers (in Los Angeles, so conceivably at least 12 people on a server somewhere between Portland and Mexico city should be at least 100ms for me and finding it should be cake). Same TV, same internet. Maybe the PS4 playerbase is way smaller, but this kind of territory is new ground for me in terms of online gaming. THIS...THIS...AND THIS ^^^^ What he described, is what I am seeing most every time I have the bad combination set up (group play, high KD friends, distant friends, dom) And like Gentleman, I too have had my fair share of moments where someone jumps over, lands behind, side strafes and kills me. Frustrating, but that's part of the game. I can deal with that. But like gentleman said, the deaths that are making me rage are the ground level ones. Where I see a guy off to the side and shoot first, but die. Or I have radar up, know someone is coming into a room, I am waiting to shoot him. AND they run right in, while I am prefiring, and run through my bullets. WTF? And his last example, what I underlined, oh for Christ's sake, I saw this so much last night grouped up. For example, we are on 'Comeback', playing Dom. I am like entrenched behind a crate, know players are coming into the middle B room, I am waiting to pre-fire on them.... ....and like gentleman said, People get the drop on me when I'm ADS'd and they SPRINT around a corner, STOP, AIM, and kill me as I'm shooting at them. That's broken." I saw that on Comeback literally the entire game. Encounter after encounter in the B building. People run in, strafe jump, post up, shoot and kill me, well before my already emptied clip into them even registers.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 16:39:07 GMT -5
I am also noticing something else. It seems like, so far on here, the people who are finding this gun 'fun', are those sticking to solo play. They aren't trying to do the grouped up, full party every night type of CoD playing. And if they are grouped, they are seeing similar annoyances (like Will)
There has to be a way to group up better.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 30, 2015 16:49:47 GMT -5
The game sucks, the connection sucks, SBMM sucks, lag comp sucks, COD sucks now. Glad most people are getting hit in the face with that fact now. QUIT. DO IT. DO IT PUSSY! I hear you, but I need to exhaust all avenues first. You got to try and see if something can be fixed? Hoping someone has something to give in this thread. But anyone not playing, I can respect that. I understand their reasons. I can easily count up about fifty people (give or take a few) I know, who used to play CoD Ghosts but have quit. Friends who used to be on every night, who now just don't even play CoD. I would also guestimate that about 40 of them bought this game. Well, almost all of them bought it. Maybe even 90% of them. They all quit. I truly believe this is why AW won't release game mode population numbers in the pre-lobbies. They want the above numbers hidden. I have been tweeting Micheal Condry for well over a week now. Have asked him this question at least ten times. He ignores me, and goes on tweeting about stupid sh1t like some pair of boots coming out for player models. Fvck him. He's an idiot. I hope to have a backdoor answer to how bad this is, pretty soon. I'll have clan population numbers maybe as soon as next week. I can compare them to last year. This will give a good idea of just how many people have left this game.
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Post by imrlybord7 on Jan 30, 2015 18:33:00 GMT -5
If you spent your previous CoD time tactical loitering with a ghillie suit in Ghosts, AW isn't for you. If you spent your previous CoD time jumping around corners with Lightweight and Extreme Conditioning in Black Ops 2, AW is for you. AW is an excellent game that makes the old games look incredibly limited. I kind of wish there was a bit less verticality (shorter double jumps maybe) but I had high expectations for this game and they were met 100%. Like the game is exactly what I expected it to be.
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Post by drift0r on Jan 31, 2015 4:45:36 GMT -5
AW issues aside, I truly hate the party system, friend system, chat system, game invite system, and almost everything about the Xbox One OS. The best thing about the X360 is that the online aspects worked great and it was super easy to join a game with friends and chat. On Xbox One is hard to join games, and then hard to get any sort of sane chat going on. Amongst the YouTubers and streamers I know, literally every single one just uses Skype or TeamSpeak on PC instead of the X1 system. They chat on PS4 sometimes but never on Xbox One.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Jan 31, 2015 5:36:27 GMT -5
Xbox One's OS is pretty janky, I don't bother with instant-on mode anymore which I think helps, but I wouldn't call the chat unusable, certainly not compared to PS4 which has godawful audio quality. Skype or TeamSpeak seem like overkill but then again maybe Dumien, the silenced x-bro would disagree As far as connection issues, I don't know, there's only so much you can do on your end and it sounds like you've done it. In the old days having a bad connection would unambiguously punish you in a multiplayer game. In the COD world they're seemingly obsessed with pandering to people with bad connections who also don't bother to do anything to improve their connections. They'll hook up their console at the edge of their wi-fi range while two other devices are trying to stream HD Netflix on their poorly configured ISP-provided all-in-one modem/router. Though, if you're partying up with geographically diverse people, you kind of have to expect the connection to suck. You cannae change the laws of physics laddie. My suggestion, if AW isn't doing for you, go play something else. I've gone back to Titanfall full-time, I don't even regret my time with AW, I'll revisit it a bit when map packs hit on PS4, I mean, it's not freakin' Ghosts. I'll just get a few dozen hours out of it instead of a few hundred like I did in most COD games up through BO2.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2015 8:04:45 GMT -5
My post was put up, because i was desperate to get some help, due to the first Round of the Diamond Clans wars last night. It's opening weekend. You want to get off to a good start.
So what was our solution for our clan? In three prior versions of clans wars (MW3, BO2(league play) and Ghosts). We broke up our squads by balancing skill. That's how we used to try and do it. Last night, we used a strict KD filtering for our 3- 4 squads I played pretty much only with guys who had 0.8 to 1.2 KDs.
The results? It sort of worked. Over four hours last night, i probably played 18 games, with my squad winning 13 of them. Only one of those games was truly a bad loss, us getting spanked 4-14 in Uplink. Actually, 3 of our 5 losses came in Uplink. We suck there. The connection quality in all the game, was for the most part, pretty solid. Lag? Yes. But normal Cod lag. I could live with. We also got right into most games, with minimal wait on lobbies. Only one bad stretch, were we got four Games in Progress in row. We finally stuck around on the last one, finished it with a loss...then proceeded to beat that clan 200-34 in the rematch.
I don't know if last night was a solid result of anything though. It was the Diamond Wars opening weekend. I have a couple hundred (500+) clans i exchange follows with on Twitter and every single one of them was on and tweeting. Everyone was playing last night. If one of the issues plaguing this game are low population on modes, forcing bad matchup, last night wouldn't be a good test. There had to be A LOT of people playing CoD. Also, there were A LOT of clans playing last night. I honestly don't think we played even one game of randoms. Every lobby (and i do mean every), had at least two to three other members sporting identical clan tags. Would this help? I don't know. One one level, i tend to be a better player, against better players. They play to win.
One other note. I think most of the traffic playing was clan people. Here's the thing, Clan Wars forces Euros and West coast people to play during there own unique time slots. To some degree, this might have helped keep similar regions playing only each other. I'm not going to get some Euros playing in my lobby, ...they already played from 2pmET to 6pmET.
Didn't track my KD last night, couldn't with all the stuff going on. But it was positive. I didn't have many bad games. I do know it was at least 1.50 in the four SnD games we played, which we won all of them. I was happy with that. My squad doesn't play SnD, yet we kicked butt here. Pleasant surprise. Probably due to playing other clans who were forced to play it.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2015 11:04:43 GMT -5
If you spent your previous CoD time tactical loitering with a ghillie suit in Ghosts, AW isn't for you. If you spent your previous CoD time jumping around corners with Lightweight and Extreme Conditioning in Black Ops 2, AW is for you. AW is an excellent game that makes the old games look incredibly limited. I kind of wish there was a bit less verticality (shorter double jumps maybe) but I had high expectations for this game and they were met 100%. Like the game is exactly what I expected it to be. That's a pretty over-generalizing statement, that comes across as you just puffing your chest. There are around a one or two dozen plus people's own experiences on this very board, directly contradicting what you say. I could give you another couple dozen off this board. You are wrong with your generalizing. Almost all of those people i just mentioned, are people who don't like to hide/snipe. People who love the new openness and free flowingness of this game ....but these people (like me) are having huge issues with connections & lag....as well as huge annoyances with XB1's grouping up/party system, which is confirmed as just being downright awful. You can talk all you want about past games being limited....but i least i could group up six people in 1/5th the time it takes now. Do you understand what 'broken' means?
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2015 11:09:00 GMT -5
An elite weapon comes close but cannot bridge the gap between good and mediocre or good and great. Be happy, play solo or in pairs. It will get fixed at some point...I hope. Ok. Now ask yourself. if you have those guns, are you going to stop using them when playing better opponents? No. It's easy to say the gun advantage is no big deal....when you have those guns.
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Post by Will on Jan 31, 2015 11:49:05 GMT -5
The best gun in the game in all situations is the ASM1 Magnitude, which is the Marksman (300 kills) variant. So the RNG argument is kind of dead until they do more weapon balancing.
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Post by beesting on Jan 31, 2015 14:03:49 GMT -5
An elite weapon comes close but cannot bridge the gap between good and mediocre or good and great. Be happy, play solo or in pairs. It will get fixed at some point...I hope. Ok. Now ask yourself. if you have those guns, are you going to stop using them when playing better opponents? No. It's easy to say the gun advantage is no big deal....when you have those guns. Actually I don't have a Speakeasy or an Obsidian Steed. But I do play with different weapons depending on the map and game type. I have picked them up and used them, so I have limited experience with them. The Speasy and Steed probably would be my go-to weapon for my 'best' loadout, but that doesn't mean my Magnitude with Rapid Fire, Grip, Advanced Rifling or Silencer, or Quickdraw, or Extended Mags depending on the map and game style can't be highly competitive versus the elites to the point where skill is the determing factor, not weapon.
I have found that many guns look awesome in stats, but when you acquire them and use them, you find that they have strong points and weak points. They end up being situational. I find that a carefully chosen non-elite weapon can be buffed with attachments to be very close to equal or even superior to the elites. That's all I'm saying. I take great pleasure in outgunning a Speasy with my Mag, then picking it up and outgunning him again with his own weapon!
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 31, 2015 14:24:00 GMT -5
I hear you. Hard to say from my limited experience with them (picking them up and using), but even in that limited time, they felt pretty powerful. Especially the Bal one.
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