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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jul 21, 2015 22:46:17 GMT -5
Assuming Trump isn't an idiot; it would make sense for him to run for president only to say outrageous things. It's free publicity if nothing else. What does he have to lose when the internet will gladly spread his shenanigans for him? *sigh*... yeah, yeah. We get it. Drift0r's dad is a bit set back if he seriously believes these things, moving on. For anyone who isn't on Twitter, here's what Drift0r posted: I guess we're all just stalling for time until we actually see the candidates come out and start talking. Actually I think he's talking shit about Drift0r, not his father.
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Post by probaddie on Jul 22, 2015 0:42:14 GMT -5
In other news, drift0r is attempting to publicly shame his own father for having different political views. Gearing up for that 2020 election when his Twitter followers can vote for the first time. Believing that Obama's decisions and policies are not in the best interest of the country is "having a different political view"; believing that he's wilfully trying to destroy the country makes you certifiable. Edit: Just so it's clear, I also don't agree with Drift0r publishing personal details about his father in this way.
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Post by Will on Jul 22, 2015 2:21:19 GMT -5
Well blocking the Keystone XL pipeline from being built accomplishes absolutely nothing other than continued reliance on overseas oil, rather than more Canadian ethical oil.
But yeah I didn't bring it up because I wanted to discuss the points or their validity (they are all quite stupid), but rather that it's pretty sad to see drift0r mocking his elderly father with the help of a gang of teenagers. Is this what politics does to people?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 2:59:00 GMT -5
Of course he won't lose any sleep; he just stole Donald Trump's thunder in this thread. We could be talking about the promise of building a steel wall across the US/Mexico border funded by the Mexican government; but no. Now we're talking about allegations even the most obstinant conspiracy theorist would look at and go "you're outta your mind".
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jul 22, 2015 5:33:10 GMT -5
Well blocking the Keystone XL pipeline from being built accomplishes absolutely nothing other than continued reliance on overseas oil, rather than more Canadian ethical oil. But yeah I didn't bring it up because I wanted to discuss the points or their validity (they are all quite stupid), but rather that it's pretty sad to see drift0r mocking his elderly father with the help of a gang of teenagers. Is this what politics does to people? You don't think elderly people mock kids/people with different opinions? That is exactly what politics does to people. Because there's a lot of people with very deep-seated opinions that won't ever change and as a result causes echo chambers with like minded people and shouting matches with conflicting opinions. Welcome to politics 101, it's dirty and always has been. Just look at the election of 1828 and all the shitflinging Jackson and Adams did to each other.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jul 22, 2015 6:52:10 GMT -5
In the year 2069 you'll all realize that Driftdad was right all along. Save this.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Jul 22, 2015 18:37:28 GMT -5
Well blocking the Keystone XL pipeline from being built accomplishes absolutely nothing other than continued reliance on overseas oil, rather than more Canadian ethical oil. But yeah I didn't bring it up because I wanted to discuss the points or their validity (they are all quite stupid), but rather that it's pretty sad to see drift0r mocking his elderly father with the help of a gang of teenagers. Is this what politics does to people? Maybe driftor is just tired of being talked down to politically and decided to do what anyone else would do: show his friends the shit he has to put up with. I know if my dad was talking down to me about how Obama is a secret Muslim I'd tell my friends not because I want my dad harassed, but to be like "look at the dumb shit I have to put up with lol".
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Post by illram on Aug 15, 2015 1:15:40 GMT -5
Well blocking the Keystone XL pipeline from being built accomplishes absolutely nothing other than continued reliance on overseas oil, rather than more Canadian ethical oil. The majority of oil from Canada shipped via the Keystone XL pipeline will be exported. US natural gas and oil plays are steadily increasing with advances in horizontal drilling and fracking that are already making the US less and less dependent on foreign energy. That trend will continue without Keystone. Besides, Canada is already our biggest oil supplier. Even if built and some gasoline from US refineries stays in the US, midwest gasoline prices are estimated to actually increase, since they will lose their current refining business of tar sands oil. It will however replace Venezuelan crude which is currently refined in the Gulf Coast...but again the overall picture of US consumption and price will not really be affected by extending the pipeline. It's more about Canadian oil companies getting richer and refineries in the Gulf Coast getting a more reliable, cheaper supply.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Aug 15, 2015 13:56:58 GMT -5
If any politicians were serious about being energy independent and being less detrimental to the environment then they'd be talking about Nuclear. Shale oil, excuse the pun, is a pipe dream. Wind and solar are just not there in terms of reliable mass consumption.
The problem is people don't understand radiation very well and had their perception warped by Fukushima, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. One caused by an earthquake and tsunami in 40+ year old reactors. One caused by crappy Soviet design that was never used anywhere else. And one that was ultimately a non issue because it was stopped easily
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Post by illram on Aug 15, 2015 14:47:40 GMT -5
Yeah I'm a fan of nuclear and self identify as a more liberal progressive environmentalist type. It's one of the areas that others of my political bent typically get wrong because of the nuclear bogeyman. It's one of the few legit alternatives to our current dirty energy infrastructure. But since people are scared of it we get stupid stuff like "clean coal."
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Post by Will on Aug 15, 2015 16:46:26 GMT -5
Yeah I'm a fan of nuclear and self identify as a more liberal progressive environmentalist type. It's one of the areas that others of my political bent typically get wrong because of the nuclear bogeyman. It's one of the few legit alternatives to our current dirty energy infrastructure. But since people are scared of it we get stupid stuff like "clean coal." What, in your opinion, is stupid about clean coal? Filtering out all of the particulates and scrubbing out SOx and NOx emissions leaves us with pure, complete combustion, no different than that of natural gas. (by the way, I am a Power Engineer, so I have a decent understanding of these technologies, given that I operate them every day)
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Post by jaedrik on Aug 15, 2015 17:31:31 GMT -5
... It's one of the areas that others of my political bent typically get wrong because of the nuclear bogeyman.... Politicians like portraying their special interests in a good light to get political favors by subsidizing otherwise nonviable goods and services.
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Post by Will on Aug 15, 2015 17:41:14 GMT -5
Is there any clean coal tech that actually accomplishes that? It's fantastic if we can do that but I was under the impression that progress was rather slow there... The problem is the term "clean coal" is being rebranded to refer to capturing carbon dioxide emissions, but originally it meant cleaning out the actual pollutants (SOx, NOx, mercury, particulates). I have no experience with carbon dioxide capturing, and I have dissenting political/scientific views regarding it's classification as a pollutant. That might be where the "slow progress" is. But as far as the original meaning of "clean coal" - the technology is there (fluidized beds, electrostatic precipitators, sulfur scrubbers, combined cycle gasification, catalytic reducers, etc.), to ensure complete combustion (where your flue gas is essentially pure CO2 and H2O)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 19:35:03 GMT -5
While we're waiting for 2016 to actually come, on the 19th of this month Canada's having a federal election. It's not particularly interesting, but I figure I'll give a brief run-down. The first thing you should know is that the date of an election can never be predicted decades in advance. It all depends on how our House of Representatives feel about their current prime minister. Some elections happen two years from one another, some run into the maximum of five. Let's meet the parties. Who do we have to root for? The Liberal Party is easily the most politically neutral parties in the race, represented by Justin Trudeau. Justin's father was also Prime Minister at one point, and he was a pretty cool guy according to the history books. The Liberals think their new leader is their ace in the hole, but for everyone undecided it's a tough sell. Many Canadians believe Trudeau doesn't feel genuine enough to inspire confidence, or is at least failing to project that he'll make a strong leader. The Liberal platform is, in theory, fairly strong and balanced between both sides with emphasis on the middle class, but everything else is shaky. The Conservative party is another popular party, and they lean to the right. Since 2006 Stephen Harper has been our Prime Minister, and surprisingly he's run a relatively clean and strong campaign to date. Harper is running in his 5th federal election for a 4th term in office because there is no limit to the number of terms you can stay. If the people and your party want you there; you may as well stay there. Conservative policies are mostly focused on growing the economy in general, and for that most elections have always come down to either the Liberals or the Conservatives winning out. The New Demoratic Party (NDP) for the longest time have been this party that's consistently taken up 20-25% of the vote. This time Tom Muclair has subbed in for their hero Jack Layton (rest his soul). According to many polls the NDP's performance has been consistent to date. They're the most left-winged party out there and they're often known as the good kind of socialists. Among other things they even promise $15 minimum wage across the board if they win the election. Honestly? The Green Party is kind of a throw-away party holding a sliver of the vote. Due to recent changes in how the voting system works there were times when they struggled to keep one seat in the house. IIRC they're left-winged but people don't like them for having a relatively extreme view of protecting the environment in their platform. The federal election, as usual, will likely land in a minority government in favour of either the Conservatives or the Liberals. A minority government can't really do much because no one party has the majority vote anymore. The only way to forward anything is to have multiple parties representing more than 50% of the vote that agree on a given issue. That's really all there is to it. If you want to pretend to be a Canadian Citizen for a day, or you are one and wonder which platform you're likely to align with check out this quiz and see where you fit in canada.isidewith.com/My results were: Liberal (93%), NDP (91%), Green (85%), Communist (80%) (Yes, we have a communnist party. They're not very popular.), and Conservative (52%)
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Oct 5, 2015 20:33:33 GMT -5
95% NDP, 94% Green, 94% Communist, 91% liberal, 39% Conservative. This quiz really showed me how little I know about the political landscape of other countries so many of my answers were just kinda half-assed. Also didn't weigh any of them and didn't do any expanded questions. Edit: For Us presidential election www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/1385399514
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:56:45 GMT -5
Meh, that's fine. I didn't really bother weighing my questions, and by the time I released there were expanded questions I was too lazy to go back.
I've noticed this general vibe that Americans are somehow more self-centered about what goes on in the world. I guess that's true, but beyond curiousity or something that relates to them specifically Americans don't really have incentives to learn about other nations or their politics. Everyone's keeping an eye on the US elections; not only because the English-speaking internet is mostly populated by Americans, but also because what the US does can directly affect them.
I researched the major candidates in the 2016 election long before I got a voting ballot and realized there was a Canadian election coming. [ font colour="434343"]Also, I keep forgetting that pseudo-HTML uses the American version of "color".[/font]
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Post by jaedrik on Oct 6, 2015 0:25:17 GMT -5
canada.isidewith.com/results/1385941272Gave a few unique answers where none of them fit, gave a few answers that didn't exactly perfectly rhetorically fit for me so I could have a party rating. Lots of "your barely similar answer: ..." looks like I'm too E X T R E M E for most parties. Thanks, Beav, this site is entertaining. :D Hoh buh gaw the USA presidental one has so many more loaded / unsuitable questions / answers than the Canadian one tho Probably because there are more questions to answer? www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/1386045248
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 15:07:27 GMT -5
Libertarian, eh? They're not that big of a party in Canadian politics. They're heavily right-wing in a country that's tilted to the right-wing. www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/1387713627I made a mad dash for Bernie at the end, and put the answer on high priority. I don't really agree with everything he says, but I think a lot of people are flocking to him because he's very transparent with what he's going to do. He's down-to-earth despite his relatively extreme views, and that warrants respect. I think his odds of winning are slim to none, but at least he has the right idea. Jeb would probably be guy I'd vote for, and that's mostly because he makes it clear that he's being genuine about what he believes in. He has a platform many people would consider sensible, and his PR is solid thusfar. You're going to see this theme a lot in the US elections. Being genuine is what's going to win you the polls. It's why Donald Trump is being talked about way longer than he should. He doesn't have a prayer in winning at the moment, but he's still very blunt about his policies. There's no hidden agenda- he makes it clear he wants that wall built. He has no qualms about being called a racist. That still counts as being genuine. I don't necessarily think America's going to collapse in on itself should Hillary take the vote, but she's having major problems with her public relations. She doesn't really seem to fight for anything unless she's told to. She looks as though she parrots everything her PR team tells her to do; even if it's a simple apology. It comes across as fake, and nobody can really trust her opinions because she doesn't seem to genuinely have any. Her messages are almost always highly controlled, never relaxed, and her polls will suffer for that. She might be a decent candidate for the oval office, but does anyone want to take that risk?
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Post by Will on Oct 6, 2015 17:04:48 GMT -5
Libertarian, eh? They're not that big of a party in Canadian politics. They're heavily left-wing in a country that's slightly tilted to the right-wing. Is this a typo? Canada is a far-left socialist country, where even the so-called "Conservative Party" would be considered left-wing socialists by international standards. The Libertarian Party is easily the most right-wing party, and probably the only one at that. Also, this cycle we have grown considerably, and are running more candidates than the Green Party. EDIT: It's probably worth mentioning that I am Canadian and a registered/voting member of the Libertarian Party of Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 17:11:38 GMT -5
Libertarian, eh? They're not that big of a party in Canadian politics. They're heavily left-wing in a country that's slightly tilted to the right-wing. Is this a typo?...Probably
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Post by illram on Oct 6, 2015 23:49:23 GMT -5
I took the Canadian quiz for fun and apparently I am a communist! Huzzah.
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Post by jaedrik on Oct 7, 2015 12:00:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 14:41:52 GMT -5
I remember looking up the Communist Party of Canada, and remembering their leader with a suspicious last name Smith. Needless to say she's made a few outspoken enemies doing what she does.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Oct 7, 2015 19:47:40 GMT -5
Yeah I read their bulletin points from the Wikipedia article, I don't see how I agree with them 94%. They have some crazy ideas, even for me. Maybe the website is more about what you agree with, not how to enact it. Because I agree with several of their points, but their ideas on how to carry it out are way too radical.
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Post by illram on Oct 8, 2015 2:53:12 GMT -5
Ew Mises Institute gross.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 9, 2015 22:10:19 GMT -5
Bernie Sanders is a gun grabbing socialist.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Oct 9, 2015 23:02:54 GMT -5
Bernie Sanders is a gun grabbing socialist. Except he has a consistent record of voting against gun control.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 10, 2015 21:55:33 GMT -5
Bernie Sanders is a gun grabbing socialist. Except he has a consistent record of voting against gun control. And he's gone on record saying he wants to ban assault weapons scary black rifles. He is a gun grabber.
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Post by Slick on Oct 10, 2015 22:53:17 GMT -5
www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htmOn his official website, as far as I could see, he did not have a clarified stance on gun control. His voting record on guns is interesting since he comes from Vermont that likes their right to bear arms. www.nationalreview.com/corner/381136/vermont-safe-and-happy-and-armed-teeth-charles-c-w-cookeSo what you have is a progressive on economic issues, and a centrist on gun ownership. I can live with that. The most important issues, and this is why I support Bernie Sanders, is the need to reinstate important laws like Glass Steagall, and getting the corruption out of politics. I'm a regular visitor of nbcnews and there's been a media blackout of any headlines about him for a month. Gee, I wonder why. The term assault rile is dishonest spin perpetuated by the media anyway. All weapons receive this definition regardless of the weapon's capability. It's also the only item that when used to commit crime, the word assault is attached to it, as if that's the only thing anyone can do with a gun. When a pedestrian is hit by a bicycle or a car and they take off, we call it a hit and run. Why not call it a shoot and run? Would be a more literal accurate description for most shootings in America. Bernie Sanders is a gun grabbing socialist. America loves its socialist programs, no need to be ashamed.
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Post by jaedrik on Oct 11, 2015 11:22:47 GMT -5
www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htmOn his official website, as far as I could see, he did not have a clarified stance on gun control. His voting record on guns is interesting since he comes from Vermont that likes their right to bear arms. www.nationalreview.com/corner/381136/vermont-safe-and-happy-and-armed-teeth-charles-c-w-cookeSo what you have is a progressive on economic issues, and a centrist on gun ownership. I can live with that. The most important issues, and this is why I support Bernie Sanders, is the need to reinstate important laws like Glass Steagall, and getting the corruption out of politics. I'm a regular visitor of nbcnews and there's been a media blackout of any headlines about him for a month. Gee, I wonder why. The term assault rile is dishonest spin perpetuated by the media anyway. All weapons receive this definition regardless of the weapon's capability. It's also the only item that when used to commit crime, the word assault is attached to it, as if that's the only thing anyone can do with a gun. When a pedestrian is hit by a bicycle or a car and they take off, we call it a hit and run. Why not call it a shoot and run? Would be a more literal accurate description for most shootings in America. Bernie Sanders is a gun grabbing socialist. America loves its socialist programs, no need to be ashamed. There's every need to be ashamed when the supposedly libertarian party of the authoritarian vs libertarian ideology line supports socialist programs like Medicaid, the FDIC... Gosh dang Neocons. The position should be "get government hands out of civil society," IMO. The way "progressive" is used in modern political discourse insinuates a lot of untrue things. That aside, one should look to the merits of the policies / ideologies themselves rather than the label associated with them. We seem to agree on this point, since you talk about the dishonest spin because of the negative connotations of the word "assault." But, I agree, Sanders is getting the media blackout (too strong a word?) because the Democratic party leadership is upset he's doing so good. After all, they didn't ordain him from on high, and he overthrows maybe like one or two of their key positions. Same with Trump, he's self-made and doesn't hold all the positions the Republican party leadership wants, and it drives them crazy, but I don't really watch cable news so I don't know the proportion of his coverage.
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