wittyscorpion
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 5, 2015 12:58:49 GMT -5
From Mike Ybarra of XBox team:
Remapping will become available to all XONE controllers, not just the Elite!
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Post by Will on Oct 6, 2015 17:10:59 GMT -5
All I've wanted is to have melee be mapped to RT when using a riot shield. But if I do this, then I would need to press B to shoot my pistol when I swap to it. UGH UGH UGH UGH
Oh wait, no riot shield in BO3. (Thanks FPSDredd for tweeting 50 times a day about it)
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Post by kylet357 on Oct 7, 2015 1:37:04 GMT -5
All I've wanted is to have melee be mapped to RT when using a riot shield. But if I do this, then I would need to press B to shoot my pistol when I swap to it. UGH UGH UGH UGH Oh wait, no riot shield in BO3. (Thanks FPSDredd for tweeting 50 times a day about it) I still never understood why melee wasn't mapped to the aiming button for the ballistic knife in BO2, or the Assault Shield either. Would make it easier to melee for Tactical layout.
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Oct 7, 2015 14:19:24 GMT -5
All I've wanted is to have melee be mapped to RT when using a riot shield. But if I do this, then I would need to press B to shoot my pistol when I swap to it. UGH UGH UGH UGH Oh wait, no riot shield in BO3. (Thanks FPSDredd for tweeting 50 times a day about it) In AW it would have been very useful to have melee with the shield be LT. Hopefully they do LT for the riot shield in BO3 zombies if it's a deplorable shield or make deploying it LT and melee RT.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Oct 8, 2015 8:49:38 GMT -5
Coming up on two years since the launch of the bone...
Can someone actually explain why it took this long to implement such a useful and desired feature.
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Post by beavenge on Oct 8, 2015 10:35:21 GMT -5
I'm a bit more excited about the mouse/keyboard support that's supposedly in the works for the XB1 than button remapping. Though not having to buy an overpriced controller for button mapping is nice too
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Post by illram on Oct 8, 2015 11:08:39 GMT -5
Pretty sure all they are doing is letting you stream your PC (windows) games through the Xbox, with a mouse and keyboard. For the PC game.
Meaningless to me since I have both sitting in my living room on my TV anyway.
Buy a Xim4 Beavenge!
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Post by Slick on Oct 8, 2015 17:22:51 GMT -5
Official or not, it's just a fact of life there's people playing M&KB on the consoles. I doubt I'll ever switch off controllers. Having a joystick with both hands meeting in the middle for a pleasurable experience just feels right. It's a guy thing.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Oct 9, 2015 9:05:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure all they are doing is letting you stream your PC (windows) games through the Xbox, with a mouse and keyboard. For the PC game. Meaningless to me since I have both sitting in my living room on my TV anyway. Buy a Xim4 Beavenge! contemplated picking up a XIM4 for the release of BO III.. Gives you such an advantage against the rest of the competition.
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Post by illram on Oct 10, 2015 2:36:09 GMT -5
If you are already proficient with a mouse, yes. If not, no.
It also makes you appreciate the folks who are really, really good with a controller and still kill me in a straight up ADS encounter.
I've been decent with both, on both platforms (playing on PC with a controller for example) and I find there are just different ways to get to the same place, e.g. fine tune aiming on long distance targets with a controller by ADS'ing at the right height and then strafing (because strafing allows for more fine tune movement with a stick) as opposed to ADS'ing and then "looking" with the mouse (i.e. target acquisition via mouse movement "point and click"), which is much harder to do with the stick...etc. The mouse is an objectively better aiming device but I do think the controller vs mouse thing is overblown when it comes to people who are actually good with the stick because there are ways to adapt to both. I think the delta is smaller than people think basically.
Admittedly AW did change this a bit with the jumpy jumpiness and needing to quickly target enemies at more random spots in your FOV than usual, as opposed to the more predictable tactical shooter "boots on the ground" stuff we were used too. The mouse does present a distinct advantage when you are trying to kill the pixel equivalent of mexican friggin jumping beans.
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Post by illram on Oct 10, 2015 17:03:54 GMT -5
I still don't use a keyboard with the mouse, I use the controller in my left hand. On PC and console. I hate the keyboard. It would take me a lot longer than a week to get used to using a keyboard again.
Just with a mouse it still took me more than a week. Probably about 50 to 60 hours until I felt like I was proficient again. I have kids so 50 to 60 hours of game time is literally months.
If you have a lot of time to sink into it sure it can only take a week...my perspective is skewed.
I turn off aim assist with the mouse, I actually find it annoying. Sometimes your cursor gets dragged along like a magnet when you don't want it to.
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 11, 2015 7:42:44 GMT -5
I still don't use a keyboard with the mouse, I use the controller in my left hand This is something that interests me actually. I have always hated using a keyboard for movement/crouching/etc in FPS games and wondered about using a controller for that. I think a thumbstick is superior to WASD for movement (except for maybe in a game like CSGO).
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 11, 2015 8:55:28 GMT -5
Yeah, even besides the thumbstick being generally better, I just dislike the discomfort of stretching my fingers to hit far away buttons. Or the weird angle you have to keep your little finger at to press CTRL and SHIFT.
I love a good, ergonomic controller. As you mentioned about your friend, I have hypothesised about a one handed controller. I kinda envisioned a Wii nun-chuck with more buttons.
Still need to get a good mechanical keyboard...
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Post by illram on Oct 11, 2015 11:17:56 GMT -5
So with a Xim 4 you can use the PS3 nav, which is basically a tiny nunchuck with a thumbstick (that is also a button) and two trigger buttons along with a total of three other buttons that you can assign to whatever. It's all you need really if your mouse also has adequate buttons to assign. On PC you can also use a Nav, or an xbox controller, with a keymapper like Joy2Key (free) in games that do not support using both the controller and mouse at the same time (some games it is either/or). To me it is really the best of both worlds. You have three buttons and the stick that can be used without having to take your thumb off the thumbstick.
The most recent xim 4 firmware (beta) update for Xbox breaks nav functionality--and you need the beta if you have the new controller with the integrated audio jack--but you can still use the xbox controller in your left hand anyway. If you're using the xbox controller on the xim 4 (which always has to be connected) rather than adding an additional controller, you just have to use the game's button assignment for the left side of the controller and assign whatever else you need to the mouse buttons. (As opposed to the freedom to keymap whatever you want when using an additional controller, like a nav, or when using a keymapper on PC.) So for instance it took me some getting used to to use the left trigger for ADS'ing rather than the right mouse button, and crouching, jumping etc. with mouse buttons, but that was really the only thing I had to get used to. If the mouse buttons are well placed it's a relatively painless transition.
Maybe it is because I game from a reclined position on the couch but I find it ergonomically comfortable, I just rest the right side of the controller against my leg in my lap.
Moving my fingers around the keyboard is also what annoys me, I just am not comfortable with where the buttons are or hitting them as smoothly/quickly as I am used to with a controller.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Oct 13, 2015 9:42:59 GMT -5
If you are already proficient with a mouse, yes. If not, no. It also makes you appreciate the folks who are really, really good with a controller and still kill me in a straight up ADS encounter. Used to play competitively on CS CAL-IM/M while I wasted away in high school and college to a degree.. It has taken a solid year or so to make the jump and be comfortable while using the controller, and I am no way shape or form close to my level on the mouse/keyboard combo. With you on that man, mad respect for the folk who can hold it down with a controller Only thing keeping me from making the jump is the amount of money involved... Mouse, Keyboard, & the XIM-4
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 13, 2015 22:22:33 GMT -5
Already in the preview build! #soon
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 14, 2015 1:05:48 GMT -5
With this new build I was given the chance to participate in the new experience preview, took a quick look at the new remapping functionality and it looks straightforward: press the button you want to remap, then select where to map it to.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 14, 2015 17:06:11 GMT -5
With this new build I was given the chance to participate in the new experience preview, took a quick look at the new remapping functionality and it looks straightforward: press the button you want to remap, then select where to map it to. Update: I ran into a major bug when using this: not able to revert back to default. Took me a few minutes to get it back. Totally expected as this is a Preview. Also, the remapping is system-wide, NOT game specific. The new Elite Controller on the other hand will be. This may or may not be a big deal depending on how extensive you plan to remap, and how many games you plan to juggle around at the same time. If you only want 1 or 2 button changes, you can always do a remap right before switching games and get by that way.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 15, 2015 13:50:06 GMT -5
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