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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 8, 2015 11:07:53 GMT -5
Just wanted to make a place for the three people who actually enjoy LMG's could discuss their merits, or lack thereof.
My take on them so far...
BitchesReallyMad: Great all arounder, 600ish RPM, 3hk, 75rd mag. Not much else to say.
Dingo Ate Mah Baybee: Best looking gun in the game IMO, probably the worst LMG, 750ish RPM, 4-5hk 80rd mag (up from 60 in beta). It'd be nice to see a good hipfire, ADS, and ADS walk speed buff, maybe make it an AR/LMG hybrid that could compete better at CQC.
Gorgonzola: Okay, at first the RoF had me going "WTF", got this really is a fun and satisfying gun. 350ish RPM, 2hk, 40rd mag. People are crying OP already, which is a crock of shit. Horrible ads speed, but run speed feels a bit faster than the previous LMGs. Obviously the worst in CQC.
Judge Dredge: Best gun in the game?!? When I first realized this burst LMG, I was a SAD PANDA. Then I used it. 6rd burst, 900ish RPM, 4hk, 60rd mag. I've only used the preset class with QD and RF; not sure how much of a difference RF makes. Run speed feels faster, ADS feels faster, hipfire feels better. This thing is a beast at ANY range, nerf is definitely incoming once the whining really starts (already seen a bit of it on Reddit). If you're not lvl 34 yet, try out the preset Overwatch class.
Also, best thermal sight ever really helps these guns out.
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Post by banana on Nov 8, 2015 11:42:34 GMT -5
My rof tests for the brm, dingo, and Gorgon were 545, 750, and 333 respectively. IMO the Brm is outclassed by the MoW and the Dingo is just whack. Haven't tried the burst one but the Gorgon is literally bae
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Post by illram on Nov 8, 2015 11:45:27 GMT -5
Gorgon garners the most rage from my victims, by far. Love that gun, reminds me of the good old LMG days of yore. Currently my best gun based on stats. Run speed does not seem slow at all with this gun.
Does rapid fire improve it much? Haven't gotten there yet.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 8, 2015 11:56:10 GMT -5
IDK, mine's only lvl 9. Have you tried the Dredge?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 8, 2015 15:43:16 GMT -5
I can't think of a reason not to use rapid fire on gorgon. Unless you wanted a bunch of other attachments more. I don't see the effectiveness of rapid fire on the dredge unless rapid fire decreases burst delay.
Don't use suppressor on gorgon.
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Post by Will on Nov 8, 2015 16:11:05 GMT -5
Don't use suppressor on gorgon in Black Ops 3.
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Post by malgato on Nov 8, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -5
Don't use suppressor on gorgon in Black Ops 3. This seems to be very true. Suppressor kills your range. I couldn't figure out why I was doing so poorly with them until I saw the stat effect. Yikes.
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Post by bradman on Nov 8, 2015 18:15:56 GMT -5
This seems to be very true. Suppressor kills your range. I couldn't figure out why I was doing so poorly with them until I saw the stat effect. Yikes. Had the same experience. Biggest penalty for them in any CoD it seems.
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Post by Slick on Nov 8, 2015 19:57:29 GMT -5
And yet the ability to deny kids that red dot on uav makes life so much easier. Silencer may still be worth it against randoms who rely far too heavily on radar. You just have to know what your opposition is since the penalty for not knowing is very high now. Thankfully, this is easy to do thanks to the grey bars next to player names in the lobby. The lack of knowing is of great advantage to parties at the moment, but it won't last. Youtube will ensure it.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 8, 2015 20:46:35 GMT -5
Gorgons. Gorgons everywhere.
I mean, holy fuck, good luck finishing Safeguard.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 8, 2015 21:38:09 GMT -5
The gorgon is a castrated RPD. Still though,I'm doing quite well with it.
Has it really been so long since MW2?
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Post by Will on Nov 9, 2015 1:03:11 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the Dingo. It feels like an MW2 AR with an 80 round mag. And you seem to move faster with it than the other LMGs. Might just be better ADS rotational speed or something
The Gorgon felt like shit to me. After using it almost an hour I just couldn't get the hang of it. Definitely my worst gun.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 9, 2015 3:59:48 GMT -5
This seems to be very true. Suppressor kills your range. I couldn't figure out why I was doing so poorly with them until I saw the stat effect. Yikes. Had the same experience. Biggest penalty for them in any CoD it seems. You should see what they did to stock on LMGs.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 9, 2015 4:01:23 GMT -5
ELO rapid fire stock dredge > reaper. I've outgunned it multiple times. Definitely getting a nerf or im selling my diamond shotguns.
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Post by lackingdamage on Nov 9, 2015 8:55:31 GMT -5
Can see LMG thermal being one element of the game without a doubt. Need to unlock the LMGs it appears....
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Post by noscreenname on Nov 9, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5
...but the Gorgon is literally bae Gorgon is love, Gorgon is life.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 9, 2015 9:03:49 GMT -5
ELO rapid fire stock dredge > reaper. I've outgunned it multiple times. Definitely getting a nerf or im selling my diamond shotguns. What's so special about ELO?
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 9, 2015 9:20:50 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the Dingo. It feels like an MW2 AR with an 80 round mag. And you seem to move faster with it than the other LMGs. Might just be better ADS rotational speed or something The Gorgon felt like shit to me. After using it almost an hour I just couldn't get the hang of it. Definitely my worst gun. My experience wasn't that far removed from yours. It hits hard, but the ADS speed, turning the gun, trying to catch people going side to side...it just feels awful. And as far as CQC, it felt hopeless to me. People just literally ran around me. I think the Gorgon would be great if one was playing in a full party, locking down lanes on Domination, trapping people. Especially GW. The gun might be great for something like that, with predetermined, controlled firing lanes. But with any type of spawn flipping, any typical TDM match, it felt worthless.
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Post by banana on Nov 9, 2015 9:57:45 GMT -5
ELO rapid fire stock dredge > reaper. I've outgunned it multiple times. Definitely getting a nerf or im selling my diamond shotguns. What's so special about ELO? It's a more open rds
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 9, 2015 14:03:37 GMT -5
Can see LMG thermal being one element of the game without a doubt. Need to unlock the LMGs it appears.... Played Thermal on LMG during beta, feeling unbelievably beasty. For this attachment alone I am gonna put time into LMGs to rank them up.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 10, 2015 9:57:22 GMT -5
I used the Gorgon quite a bit this morning, playing Domination, solo. Actually had success.
Someone said it before, but is there a penalty for using this gun, in regards to speed?
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Post by GodMars on Nov 10, 2015 10:04:44 GMT -5
Vanderhaar on TheRace stream this morning said the Gorgon will be addressed.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 10, 2015 10:17:57 GMT -5
Vanderhaar on TheRace stream this morning said the Gorgon will be addressed. How? He feels it's OP? I don't see that. It's ADS movement, swinging the sights around, is god awful slow.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 10, 2015 10:39:36 GMT -5
Vanderhaar on TheRace stream this morning said the Gorgon will be addressed. How? He feels it's OP? I don't see that. It's ADS movement, swinging the sights around, is god awful slow. Because the perception that's it's OP can be as important as what the metrics show (or don't show). I assume this means slight nerf, as their internal numbers don't meet up with perception.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 10, 2015 10:55:24 GMT -5
So they are unnecessarily nerfing, ...due to people complaining.
That's just great. The one LMG I am taking the time to level up (and it's been painful), is going to get nerfed.
I just spent $99 on this game, and can't even play it with my friends, as it was released BROKEN. A complete train wreck of party functions and group inviting disaster. CoD, one of the biggest social games out there for consoles, and Treyarch released it without the ability to do any of those social functions.
Here we are, day five of the release, and the above is still not fixed. Yet David Vanderhaar still finds the time to respond to tweets about an LMG being OP, and worse yet, has people on his staff appearing to be taking time to rectify this big slight against humanity. We can fix an LMG, but fix one of the KEY part of the game? Social functionability? Oh no, can't do that.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 10, 2015 12:14:45 GMT -5
If anything, I can see justification for a Gorgon nerf since it generally makes snipers redundant, let alone the Sheiva.
But then again, one'd rather do with buffs to the latter. Hoooh boy, guess I better start grinding the shit out of this.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 10, 2015 12:16:30 GMT -5
It's okay, the gorgon cries are masking the next level madness that is the 48 dredge. The best suppressor weapon (still one burst kill) combined with the best sights available (most accurate LMG?) makes LMG lovers cream. I find it hard to believe they nerfed the M8 in beta but released the dredge in its current state.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 10, 2015 13:55:48 GMT -5
Don't get attached to any of your weapons. A broad rebalance is destined to happen, most likely before the end of this month.
I have very limited play time for BO3 so unlock tokens are a commodity to me. I am planning to just stick with the 3 weapons I unlocked for the entire prestige (AR= XR-2, SMG=VMP, LMG = Gorgon).
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Post by illram on Nov 10, 2015 14:18:18 GMT -5
I mean the gorgon is fun but I don't think it's OP. You have to play more of a sit back, watch your corners/alleys style with it. If you try and run and gun with it you're not going to be as effective. In CQC you will get handled more often than not. Hopefully they do not change the kill power or range, they just change something like run speed, or mag size, or ADS time or something like that.
The LMG's to me do not have much of a reason to be used other than being more powerful, at the expense of being slow and cumbersome. So if they take away the power and just leave mag size what is the point, really?
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 10, 2015 14:23:03 GMT -5
I mean the gorgon is fun but I don't think it's OP. You have to play more of a sit back, watch your corners/alleys style with it. If you try and run and gun with it you're not going to be as effective. In CQC you will get handled more often than not. Hopefully they do not change the kill power or range, they just change something like run speed, or mag size, or ADS time or something like that. The LMG's to me do not have much of a reason to be used other than being more powerful, at the expense of being slow and cumbersome. So if they take away the power and just leave mag size what is the point, really? LMG = defensive SnD players' best friend. That's probably where I would consider using it most of the time. That, and of course Nuk3town
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