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Post by banana on Mar 31, 2016 20:13:53 GMT -5
charlieintel.com/2015/03/24/michael-condrey-reveals-the-top-5-guns-kd-in-advanced-warfare/1. ARX Hole Puncher 2. Ameli Heavy 3. HBR Insanity 4. Bal-27 Obsidian Steed 5. Pytaek Loophole Some interesting (if you could call it that) things: 1. Bad iron sights don't significantly affect performance. 2. Unlimited 3hk > a faster rpm. Or is it because a sizeable percentage of people used the Heavy with a Silencer? Probably means the BRM > the Man-O-War 3. Burst gun with 900 in burst rpm and 0.1 burst delay > automatic with 720 rpm. Probably means the XR-2 > the Man-O-War.
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Post by confuzzled on Mar 31, 2016 21:11:10 GMT -5
Obsidian steed was nerfed 42 times or it would probably have been number 1.
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Post by banana on Mar 31, 2016 21:19:31 GMT -5
The Bal was only nerfed once iirc
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Post by confuzzled on Mar 31, 2016 21:32:10 GMT -5
I thought it was hit multiple times. Still OP after the first nerf and the arx was the bees knees in Touch Football so that might have inflated stats a bit...
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Post by banana on Mar 31, 2016 21:54:53 GMT -5
I doubt hardcore is taken into account but you might have a point
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Apr 1, 2016 9:06:16 GMT -5
Surprised there was no Inferno or Speakeasy.
Inferno was by far my favorite BAL, though I never did manage to pull it from a supply drop.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Apr 1, 2016 9:14:54 GMT -5
OMG i think I have the hole puncher imma go back and play CODAW 4 dayz son k/d gon' be so high it gon' knock iw5000 out of his god da mn kayak YOLO muthaf ucka!
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Post by haoz on Apr 1, 2016 11:19:15 GMT -5
1. Bad iron sights don't affect performance when you have a 3HK gun that fired at 720 (opening at 900 rpm).
2. BRM is nice, but the mobility! In AW you could boost around with an LMG.
3. Burst delay on the XR-2 is so long. Bursts feel slower than the ARX but I didn't check.
The problem with the inferno is that hardly anybody had it. Idk why the speakeasy isn't up there. It's probably because for the average player, playing defensively leads to a high kd rather than playing aggressively with a sub.
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Post by banana on Apr 1, 2016 11:57:01 GMT -5
Surprised there was no Inferno or Speakeasy. Inferno was by far my favorite BAL, though I never did manage to pull it from a supply drop. I was surprised at no speakeasy but the inferno's 4hk @ 900 rpm isn't top tier when looking at every variant 1. Bad iron sights don't affect performance when you have a 3HK gun that fired at 720 (opening at 900 rpm). 2. BRM is nice, but the mobility! In AW you could boost around with an LMG. 3. Burst delay on the XR-2 is so long. Bursts feel slower than the ARX but I didn't check. The problem with the inferno is that hardly anybody had it. Idk why the speakeasy isn't up there. It's probably because for the average player, playing defensively leads to a high kd rather than playing aggressively with a sub. 1. The steed is basically the same thing though. Terrible iron sights and first few shots at 900 rpm vs good iron sights, first few shots at 600 rpm, and longer 3hk range 2. LMGs and ARs have the same run speed in BO3. I think the difference in ADS time between the Heavy and the Steed/Insanity is bigger than the BRM's and MoW's as well. And the BRM has a lot less recoil 3. I think they're similar when rapid fire is on. It has auto burst too. 4. Not a lot of people having it shouldn't change the average k:d at all, at least not with the at least tens of thousands of people using it 5. Vonderhaar needs to tell us this asap
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 2, 2016 12:09:29 GMT -5
The Insanity demolished the Steed. Firefights between decent players are settled in just a few bullets. The Insanity's ROF rekt the Steed's. For me the Insanity turned Core into HC and the Steed just wasn't even a good gun.
The burst delay on the XR is twice as long as it was on the ARX. Rapid Fire and auto burst aren't nearly enough to make up for that.
The Speakeasy was massively overrated. It was god tier within a very limited range and then basically utter shit past that. The ASM1 should have had its 3SK range nerfed and been given a decent 4SK range to compensate.
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Post by dpkaufman on Apr 4, 2016 8:38:17 GMT -5
I never scored any of these I wonder though if k/d has more to do with the play style these guns required as opposed to some of the more aggressive variants.
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Post by banana on Apr 4, 2016 10:11:25 GMT -5
The Insanity demolished the Steed. Firefights between decent players are settled in just a few bullets. The Insanity's ROF rekt the Steed's. For me the Insanity turned Core into HC and the Steed just wasn't even a good gun. The burst delay on the XR is twice as long as it was on the ARX. Rapid Fire and auto burst aren't nearly enough to make up for that. The Speakeasy was massively overrated. It was god tier within a very limited range and then basically utter shit past that. The ASM1 should have had its 3SK range nerfed and been given a decent 4SK range to compensate. 1. What are you talking about, the Steed is nowhere near being a bad gun. 2. Rapid fire and auto burst more than make up for it actually 3. I agree I guess
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Post by imrlybord7 on Apr 4, 2016 11:41:28 GMT -5
The Insanity demolished the Steed. Firefights between decent players are settled in just a few bullets. The Insanity's ROF rekt the Steed's. For me the Insanity turned Core into HC and the Steed just wasn't even a good gun. The burst delay on the XR is twice as long as it was on the ARX. Rapid Fire and auto burst aren't nearly enough to make up for that. The Speakeasy was massively overrated. It was god tier within a very limited range and then basically utter shit past that. The ASM1 should have had its 3SK range nerfed and been given a decent 4SK range to compensate. 1. What are you talking about, the Steed is nowhere near being a bad gun. 2. Rapid fire and auto burst more than make up for it actually 3. I agree I guess 1. I'm probably one of the most aggressive CoD players on the planet. For that playstyle the Insanity dominates the Steed. The Steed was good for slow players and people who didn't have the Insanity. 2. Your trigger finger must be terrible. As a Hardcore player I would use the hell out of the XR2 if it shot anywhere near as fast as the ARX did. The XR is just a SWAT-556, period. 3. Yih.
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Post by haoz on Apr 5, 2016 1:50:59 GMT -5
What's so good about auto-burst anyway? I feel like I miss because of auto-burst.
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Post by confuzzled on Apr 5, 2016 21:54:16 GMT -5
The Insanity demolished the Steed. Firefights between decent players are settled in just a few bullets. The Insanity's ROF rekt the Steed's. For me the Insanity turned Core into HC and the Steed just wasn't even a good gun. The burst delay on the XR is twice as long as it was on the ARX. Rapid Fire and auto burst aren't nearly enough to make up for that. The Speakeasy was massively overrated. It was god tier within a very limited range and then basically utter shit past that. The ASM1 should have had its 3SK range nerfed and been given a decent 4SK range to compensate. The pre-nerfed steed blew everything out of the water.
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