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Post by lustindarkness on May 3, 2016 15:16:31 GMT -5
The more I think about MWR, I would be fine if they left the game exactly the same with just better graphics. Last stand and martyrdom included. Just to have COD4 again with enough people to play it and no glitches.
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Post by Slick on May 3, 2016 16:31:50 GMT -5
It's certainly awkward to have two "new" cods competing against each other. Perhaps that despite the amount of whales buying CoD Points, the regular consumer did not spend as much on CP versus the supply packages for Advanced Warfare, or the backlash to their micro-transaction was very loud - loud enough to take a popular classic title and attach their model to it and see how the reaction plays out. This will be an interesting experiment.
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Post by illram on May 3, 2016 18:07:22 GMT -5
i mean id say that cod was a bit late to the ball on MTAs rather than that its particularly new. either way its really just the price you pay when you want the gougiest game on earth I mean new to COD.
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Post by PSIII on May 3, 2016 18:26:20 GMT -5
I feel like the in game currency/microtransaction trend is relatively new though. Since the expectation only continues year after year, I fully expect it to only get worse and put more and more of the good stuff behind Activision's in game currency as they continue to demand more and more profits per release. As long as trash streamers and Youtubers do it, it'll stay.
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Post by Lexapro on May 3, 2016 22:35:27 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wonder what I might expect for IW if I bought the $80 version just for the MW(remastered) and then traded IW back-in or attempted to sell it? $50? I would imagine that they do something like the Ghosts Upgrade. You could pay $10 to go from PS3 -> PS4 or X360 > Xbone, but you had to insert your old game disc into the new console as a sort of validation. So to avoid people buying the Legacy Edition and trying to return IW (which I'm sure many people would like to do) I'm guessing you're going to need the IW disc to play MWR.
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Post by Will on May 3, 2016 23:21:14 GMT -5
They'll probably release the map packs as a combo of COD4 and IW maps, like they already do with zombie maps. That way you have to pay the price of 4 maps to get 1 for the game you play. Smaaaarrrrtttt these guys are geniuses.
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Post by bradman on May 4, 2016 4:59:33 GMT -5
The more I think about MWR, I would be fine if they left the game exactly the same with just better graphics. Last stand and martyrdom included. Just to have COD4 again with enough people to play it and no glitches. Looks like that's the case; link
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Post by bucket415 on May 4, 2016 9:30:47 GMT -5
cod reached the "fuc k you you'll buy it" phase years ago. Their expectations for success are higher than most other companies because people actually pay for the shit. Yeah, but they were wrong. I didn't. You didn't. Their sales numbers continue to drop by the millions every year. This (remastered COD4) was / is their only chance to get some of those lost people back. It's probably their only chance to prove to themselves, the ATVI board and other decision makers that going "old school" is the way to go, going forward, because as it has been eloquently said before "Fuck space COD!". Their sneak peak space COD trailer already has some 200K dislikes. LMAO. Gangnam style probably has less. I'm going to stay skeptical. Certainly not a day 1 purchase. While I'd love to play me some COD4, on servers that work, without hackers...THEY WILL FUCK IT UP. The maps will be changed. Sightlines, headglitch spots, etc. They'll probably even fuck up the streaks and perks. Their super sweet lag comp problems will also come pre-installed. I'll wait for the reviews before I dip my toes in the water.
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Post by lustindarkness on May 4, 2016 10:18:20 GMT -5
The more I think about MWR, I would be fine if they left the game exactly the same with just better graphics. Last stand and martyrdom included. Just to have COD4 again with enough people to play it and no glitches. Looks like that's the case; linkYeap, looks like they will just pretty it up and leave the game alone.
I wonder if Bog will lag in HD?
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Post by mannon on May 4, 2016 10:29:23 GMT -5
Personally I'm betting on it being a strait up graphical overhaul or rather that it'll be the old game rebuilt with new assets in the new engine, but otherwise 99% the same. I'm fine with that. I'd rather have almost no gameplay changes than for them to screw it all up by modernizing everything and screwing up all the maps and shit.
I do expect we'll see the glitches change, since I don't know how much old code or even old data is being reused as opposed to recreated. We'll probably see some glitches go away and have all new ones crop up.
I hope the multiplayer sees a fair amount of support, though I suspect it won't see much support post release unless they are including stuff for it in the DLC's, and even then... who knows.
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Post by lustindarkness on May 4, 2016 11:01:27 GMT -5
Yeah I can only hope for an accurate remaster. Let me see the grass wave in the wind while I lay in my ghillie suit hard scoping at the barn in Overgrown and die to 3 grenades chucked at me in HD and proper surround sound.
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Post by eLantern on May 4, 2016 12:50:01 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wonder what I might expect for IW if I bought the $80 version just for the MW(remastered) and then traded IW back-in or attempted to sell it? $50? I would imagine that they do something like the Ghosts Upgrade. You could pay $10 to go from PS3 -> PS4 or X360 > Xbone, but you had to insert your old game disc into the new console as a sort of validation. So to avoid people buying the Legacy Edition and trying to return IW (which I'm sure many people would like to do) I'm guessing you're going to need the IW disc to play MWR. You may be right; therefore, I'll just take a wait and see approach. If the sales are successful for Infinite Warfare thanks in-part to the tacked on remastered Modern Warfare then they may continue releasing future remastered titles such as the other Modern Warfare games (MW2 and MW3) and World at War in similar fashion -- that is being paired with a newer title. Nevertheless, I remain hopeful that they'll eventually realize they need to should release the remastered game(s) individually or as a collection at some point down the road; I'll just need to have patience.
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Post by hard1ine on May 4, 2016 13:12:08 GMT -5
Looks like that's the case; linkSo Last Stand, Martyrdom, Stopping Power M16 and (3) thermonuclear frags are all returning? LOL so close Activision. You almost had me. The more I think about MWR, I would be fine if they left the game exactly the same with just better graphics. Last stand and martyrdom included. Just to have COD4 again with enough people to play it and no glitches. To quote the World of Warcraft guy, you think you do, but you don't. CoD4 was not perfect by any means.
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Post by PSIII on May 4, 2016 14:49:26 GMT -5
Shit, it won't be separate...
Digital Deluxe sounds like a good value at least. Great value even. Game, pass, and CoD4 for $100, compared to $110 for game and pass alone. CoD4 is essentially this year's bonus item. Rather have that then a stupid RC car, goggles, or Mtn Dew fridge.
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Actually, it's still really gay they're doing this. Only people that would be on it would be those that pony up at least $80. You're screwed if you have no interest in IW at all. And speaking of which, I wonder if the game is digital only (whether you do physical IW or not). I'm assuming it's a download, otherwise that's under limited supply. The code will be in the IW disc case too, so no returning, only reselling for a loss.
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Post by bradman on May 4, 2016 18:20:28 GMT -5
Yeah, MW remaster is download only.
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Post by GodMars on May 4, 2016 22:53:45 GMT -5
Shit, it won't be separate... Digital Deluxe sounds like a good value at least. Great value even. Game, pass, and CoD4 for $100, compared to $110 for game and pass alone. CoD4 is essentially this year's bonus item. Rather have that then a stupid RC car, goggles, or Mtn Dew fridge. *Edit* Actually, it's still really gay they're doing this. Only people that would be on it would be those that pony up at least $80. You're screwed if you have no interest in IW at all. And speaking of which, I wonder if the game is digital only (whether you do physical IW or not). I'm assuming it's a download, otherwise that's under limited supply. The code will be in the IW disc case too, so no returning, only reselling for a loss. There is no good value to be found here. If you're buying, they're going to bend you over and fuck you in the ass, and not even have the common decency to give you a reach around.
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Post by illram on May 4, 2016 23:13:59 GMT -5
There is no good value to be found here. If you're buying, they're going to bend you over and Foxtrot you in the ass, and not even have the common decency to give you a reach around.
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Post by lustindarkness on May 5, 2016 8:35:14 GMT -5
I value my entertainment differently then. Why so negative anyway G? We get a new game that has a 50/50 chance of been good, and a remake of a game we already know we enjoy even with its fault. That we keep spending money on games? We'll never stop doing that. I for one look forward to MWR, and I'll give the Infinity and Beyond one a try.
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Post by Lexapro on May 5, 2016 8:52:27 GMT -5
Uh yeah the general sense of entitlement I see in this thread is rather surprising. Its not enough that they made MWR, now they have to just give it to you the way you want it too.
"Why should I even have to pay for single player, I just want the multiplayer. Can I not pay for Zombies, I never play it. Wow, IW/Activision is so evil and screwing over us gamers."
It's ridiculous.
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Post by PSIII on May 5, 2016 9:56:45 GMT -5
The problem is that like 90% of the base buys the game normal for $60. Those who want to play CoD4 will have to deal with an extremely low base (for a separate title), whether they're fine with the price or not. Uh yeah the general sense of entitlement I see in this thread is rather surprising. Its not enough that they made MWR, now they have to just give it to you the way you want it too. "Why should I even have to pay for single player, I just want the multiplayer. Can I not pay for Zombies, I never play it. Wow, IW/Activision is so evil and screwing over us gamers." It's ridiculous. Well, they released the MP starter pack for the PC version, just sayin.
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Post by Lexapro on May 5, 2016 10:19:23 GMT -5
The problem is that like 90% of the base buys the game normal for $60. Those who want to play CoD4 will have to deal with an extremely low base (for a separate title), whether they're fine with the price or not. I would say that a significant portion would be willing to pay the extra $20 for MWR. And when you consider that the version with the season pass is only another $20 on top of that, the trend you're observing might well change with IW. You have a valid concern that a significant portion of the playerbase could potentially be priced out, but I do not think it will be as extreme as you think/fear. People LOVE the idea/memories of CoD4 and I think they will pay for it. I think a month or two in, they will release MWR as a standalone title for like $40 to further alleviate any playerbase issues. Make no mistake, everyone knows MWR as it is now is incentive to push more copies of IW and season passes. But as far as incentives go, I think this a really good one. And I think it was good of them to do that, even if you can't prestige (which limits what you can unlock). But I think it's ridiculous to feel ENTITLED to something like that.
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Post by wings on May 5, 2016 11:57:07 GMT -5
Uh yeah the general sense of entitlement I see in this thread is rather surprising. Its not enough that they made MWR, now they have to just give it to you the way you want it too. "Why should I even have to pay for single player, I just want the multiplayer. Can I not pay for Zombies, I never play it. Wow, IW/Activision is so evil and screwing over us gamers." It's ridiculous. The only reason why Activision has made MWR as a bundle-only option is because the demand for IW would be too low, so it's used as bait to artificially increase IW's sale figures. So it's up to the consumers to decide with their wallets, which will probably fail knowing a lot of gamers. If COD4 was re-released as a standalone edition, I'd imagine it would cost a lot more making other remakes before it much better value anyway.
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Post by Lexapro on May 5, 2016 13:00:23 GMT -5
If it's so expensive, don't buy it, don't play it. If you do buy it, you are 100% admitting that the price is worth it. Like wings said, vote with your wallet.
As someone who is looking forward to both IW and MWR, I think $80 is a pretty good value for how many hours I will likely end up playing both games. I think $20 more for a season pass is also reasonable though I've been disappointed by the DLC maps in BO3 so far so I might hold off.
I've never purchased CoD points or anything because I understand that the value proposition is awful. But I don't begrudge ATVI for implementing such a system. It's not pay to win, all the supply drop weapons are okay at best. But in no way does it make the base game any less enjoyable for me that other people are spending their money on CoD points.
Contrast this with how Destiny essentially forces you to buy DLC to continue playing because all older content is just removed from the rotation. Such practice was not communicated to anyone who bought the game initially and I think that is actually something worth complaining about.
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Post by GodMars on May 5, 2016 13:03:41 GMT -5
Uh yeah the general sense of entitlement I see in this thread is rather surprising. Its not enough that they made MWR, now they have to just give it to you the way you want it too. "Why should I even have to pay for single player, I just want the multiplayer. Can I not pay for Zombies, I never play it. Wow, IW/Activision is so evil and screwing over us gamers." It's ridiculous. I'm the consumer, and they are trying to sell their product to me. I think their product and business practices suck, so I'm calling them on it. There's nothing "entitled" about that. What kind of clown blindly buys whatever is offered to them, and accepts it no matter how crappy a deal it is? And you'll have to excuse me if I point and laugh at everyone who gets suckered into this.
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Post by mannon on May 5, 2016 13:34:39 GMT -5
Up to now I've been VERY dismissive of IW and assumed I would pass it up. The trailer kinda looked okay, though. Sure there are spaceships but I don't recall seeing any energy weapons, aliens, or anything else like that. In fact it still looked just like a CoD game to me. Lots of shooting, explosions, walking and talking, cutscenes, and scripted events with a smattering of apparently fighter combat and some other things. *shrug*
MWR very much appeals to me, though. And I don't really begrudge them for packing it in with the game. Honestly I didn't think they would ever even bother to do remasters because it would conflict with whatever their newest CoD was out at the time. I think the pack in deal is how they alleviate that conflict. Maybe a few months down the line a standalone version of MWR will appear... or not. Who knows.
Personally I do kinda begrudge them the supply drop stuff and it actually does negatively affect my enjoyment of the game every time I get killed by some weapon I don't have because I haven't gotten lucky and refuse to play the lottery with my cash. Having content like that locked away behind probably having to pay exorbitant sums of money to access it just accelerates my declining interest in the game. That doesn't matter, because it makes them money. So... whatever. I'm not going to get angry about it. What I will do is move on, and at this rate probably before all the DLC has dropped so I probably won't purchase all of it in the end. I'll just go sell my disk and pickup No Man's Sky or something. Or play any number of my hundreds of games on Steam. I don't care. For now, though... BO3 is still fun, if occasionally bullshit. Honestly Dark Souls, (started playing it recently) is less frustrating than a bad night in CoD.
As for Destiny... technically all the old content is still there, it's just that they keep making it obsolete when they bring in new content because the rewards for the old content aren't scaled and it loses it's place in the progression.
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Post by hebbnh on May 5, 2016 13:43:04 GMT -5
As someone who couldn't give two shits about IW but would absolutely love to play MWR, I think Wings and Mousey and Mars hit the nail on the head. Activision is using this as a way to push more IW sales than they'd get otherwise, and it sucks for those of us that just want MWR. It's a scummy move on Activision's part as far as I'm concerned, but if you want to defend it (and CoD points, supply drops, etc), be my guest. I'm sure it'll work out great for them financially, but just because it's good for business on their part doesn't mean I have to like or accept it. I'm not asking for MWR to be handed to me, in fact I've already said I'd happily pay full retail ($60) for it, but I'm not paying $80 for MWR plus something else I don't give a shit about. If that means I'm acting entitled, well Foxtrot it, I guess I'm acting entitled. I feel like a standalone download of MWR being available at $30 or $40 for those that didn't purchase IW would be a no-brainer (and basically free money for Activision, seeing as how they only value it at $20 with IW included), but I'm sure Activision doesn't want to deal with the potential embarrassment of a (more or less) 9 year old game outselling their brand-spanking-new space CoD. My only hope now is that ATVI changes their minds eventually and does put MWR out there as a standalone sooner or later, maybe a few months after IW comes out so they can hit their precious sales figures.
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Post by asasa on May 5, 2016 15:36:33 GMT -5
So... Even if everyone bought the combo.. The playerbase will be split between hardcore players and children/casual players right? So if you like MW more than IW you will have a tiny hardcore player base.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on May 5, 2016 16:35:06 GMT -5
Next thing you know MWR has supply drops with pro perks.
Yes I'm not letting this pass in the absolute slightest.
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Post by mannon on May 5, 2016 16:45:04 GMT -5
I might let the whole thing pass given I'm sure I'll be enjoying Titanfall 2. ;3
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