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Post by hebbnh on Sept 30, 2016 9:08:02 GMT -5
LOL, ok. I had a whole counterpoint response to that all typed up, but then I realized, what's the use? You're seemingly looking for any reason you can find to NOT buy TTK, so you mustn't be very interested in buying it, so just don't buy it. Simple. /endthread.
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Post by mannon on Sept 30, 2016 11:18:31 GMT -5
I think I just said that I think TTK is worth the current price and I'd probably like to buy it but I can't afford TTK plus RoI right now so I'm hoping for a deal. I'm not looking for an excuse to not buy it I've already not bought it for over a year. This isn't a debate I'm having with myself I made my choice and I'm very comfortable with it. I feel like TTK has value, but for me I don't feel like that value is equal to $40 when my $40 is limited and there is a lot of competition for my $40. Do you see what I mean? I'm not saying that I couldn't enjoy TTK if I paid $40 for it. I'm saying that I feel like that $40 would be better spent elsewhere because it's just not a very good value per the amount of content that's actually there.
Keep in mind we're talking about a game that really doesn't have much content and never has. The base game was only maybe what a 15 hour single player game at it's heart with say another 15 hours worth of coop strikes and the raid without repeating content. It's hard to say for sure. It definitely takes longer to do things your first time through them, but ultimately there's really not a lot of missions, and even fewer maps. There really isn't that much geography in the game. Bungie capitalized on reusing large sections of the same maps over and over. Then they created a reward system that incentivizes replay of the same missions, add a nod to social aspects and bingo presto... I don't mind it too much. It makes the game pretty addictive. They get a HUGE boost to gamer playtime per content compared to anything in Halo other than the multiplayer. That's kind of a big deal. But it doesn't exactly make up for not having that much content, because even with friends and getting new loot, and playing with various modifiers yes, the same old missions over and over eventually get old.
I don't know why I keep getting this blowback when I talk about TTK at $40 not being a good value in my opinion. I start getting the whole "well you don't like the game so don't play it" argument. And I'm like... dude? Where did this come from? I DO like Destiny. I just don't LOVE it. The game does not have infinite value and if I value the DLC less than you do that does not represent an insult or that I don't place any value on it. Why is it all or nothing?
IMO TTK @ $40 is expensive, but TTK @ $20 actually sounds like a pretty good deal, provided I will actually play Destiny again. I'm going to experiment with the game to see if it still has that draw for me. If I'm still enjoying it then when I have the money I'll probably buy TTK. (I have $10 in my bank account right now... it's not happening...) I'm also hoping, (but not holding my breath) that Bungie will release a package deal for TTK+RoI for year one players like myself because $50 also seems like a lot to me right now. Yeah I get it that these are supposedly "really good" DLC packs for a game I like. On the other hand I could get any other recent AAA game I wanted for just $10 more, which would be arguably a much better value for my money. I have to budget my game purchases so if it comes down to spending $50 on Destiny or $60 on a whole other game, (or more likely spending only $30 and a bunch of really good but older games I don't yet have) well I have to consider that. I don't think that means I don't like Destiny. I think that means that I'm not monogamous with Destiny and never will be.
There was a time when I was a 1 game kinda guy and I would only play EQ, SWG, or WoW... whichever I was playing at the time. But I don't do that anymore. There's a whole ecology of games out there competing for my dollar and I'm going to play the field. I buy games on my terms to get the most enjoyment I can for dollars spent and I view that as only natural. Why wouldn't I do that? *shrug*
Anyway, it doesn't matter. I literally don't have the money and won't have it for a while so right now I just want to see how the game plays without TTK and RoI and I'll go from there.
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Post by mannon on Oct 1, 2016 23:27:22 GMT -5
So what's the current Crucible meta like? I might do some of those assuming level and light still don't matter in regular crucible, so it'd be something I can do without much deficit... theoretically.
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Post by snes chalmers on Oct 2, 2016 0:35:48 GMT -5
So what's the current Crucible meta like? I might do some of those assuming level and light still don't matter in regular crucible, so it'd be something I can do without much deficit... theoretically. As far as I know about the meta...high stability, high rate of fire pulses are pretty much still near or at the top. MIDA and The Last Word are still good. Tlaloc (though that's a TTK weapon) and high impact scouts are sneaky good. Hand cannons can certainly do well with good range perks. Higher rate of fire auto rifles are effective, but not great. High range shotguns and proximity rockets still run well. Juggernaut Striker Titans with Mida and Shotty seem to be fairly common, Voidwalker's got the life steal/energy drain buff a bit ago, so that's more prevalent.
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Post by bradman on Oct 4, 2016 10:59:51 GMT -5
Bagging and dancing after kills still big.
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Post by markopolo on Oct 4, 2016 11:27:07 GMT -5
Bagging and dancing after kills still big. I thought it was dancing then bagging?
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Post by bradman on Oct 4, 2016 14:07:37 GMT -5
I usually bag, then dance. It's an easier to remember combo. Long distance kills just get a quick dancestep.
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Post by mannon on Oct 4, 2016 18:47:27 GMT -5
I thought it was dance around corner then bag with a shotgun then dance again on corpse?
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Post by markopolo on Oct 5, 2016 0:12:34 GMT -5
I thought it was dance around corner then bag with a shotgun then dance again on corpse? That's sooooooooooo The Dark Below mannon. Get with the now
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Post by markopolo on Oct 7, 2016 15:15:36 GMT -5
In their weekly address, Dee J said that hardmore WotM will drop October 18th.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 10, 2016 15:36:03 GMT -5
I certainly don't want to step all over someone's valuation of money, as everyone is in a different place in life. $20 might be the difference between starving and eating for some people.
But that said, . . . . calling a game to expensive because it's say $60 rather than $40, seems a bit stretched. An extra $30? Good lord, come on. Even if one pays an extra $30 for the game, you are probably going to get dozens of hours if not more out of it. A dollar an hour for your fun? These days, that's ridiculously cheap. I can't walk out of my house and do anything on the weekend for a dollar an hour. Like nothing. Most weekend nights, for one lousy night, I'm going through 10x that.
I wanted to get this, but ultimately just felt overwhelmed. The thought of being behind and just grinding endless strikes, over and over and over to level up something. . . .was just draining to think about. That was my reason, that plus some reviews I read sort of indicated the same feelings. Money had nothing to do with it though.
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Post by mannon on Oct 10, 2016 19:06:42 GMT -5
I'm currently broke. Have a job, but hours are way down and bills are up so it's tight.
If I evaluate by dollar per hour of entertainment then sure Destiny has been a really good deal. I tend to shy away from that evaluation, though. Because it's just too subjective. I can't know before I play a game how many hours it will entertain me. But I can measure the amount of content in the game or in the DLC. Sure the difference between $30 and $60 is only $30. But on the other hand $60 is 200% of $30. So I think it entirely fair to expect 200% content out of it.
Destiny has always been a game with precious little content and a whole lot of rewards for replaying said content over and over. Even the weekly missions are really just rewards for replaying missions and strikes and not actual content. The base game is not terribly strong on content, but the DLC's have been even weaker in a lot of ways. TTK has a lot more than the other DLC's, but then the price when it came out was twice that of the other DLC's and 2/3 the price of a full game. Sorry, but as far as I was concerned last year paying 2/3's of a full price for a mere expansion on a game I was starting to get a bit bored with didn't seem like a remotely good value, especially considering for just $20 more I could get Black Ops 3 and play some CoD. So I did that and got Battlefront besides and took the year off of Destiny.
Like I said... I like Destiny, but I don't love it. Playing it is still comfortable too, but also still not all that interesting. And that's where I sit. Tempted to get TTK, but wary. I don't want to spend $50 on it any more than I wanted to spend $40, but I'm wary of putting any more money into it and not being caught up on all the DLC since that makes me by default a second class citizen in the game... *shrug*
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Post by qupie on Oct 11, 2016 3:18:20 GMT -5
i just sort by unread posts cuz i sit at work all day Ftfy
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Post by markopolo on Oct 11, 2016 10:57:40 GMT -5
20 bucks couldve been a dealbreaker to me 6 months ago but then i got a real job and yeah its like nothing i still dont have this though i just sort by unread posts cuz i dont have a life Question... if memory serves me correctly, you're a PC gamer. One of the rumors for Destiny 2 is that it'll be on PC... would you be interested in it? Part of me thinks it will do well, part of me thinks that it's not.... pc enough to be on a pc (no mods, other similar, established games with more support and player base)
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Post by markopolo on Oct 11, 2016 11:04:05 GMT -5
Mannon has a 3 part problem, none of which are more important than the other.
1. Money... the cash is tight. Even if it did go one sale.... 2. Time... he'd have to spend at least 30 hours getting up to level even before he did a PVP match where he wouldn't get 1hk'd by a fart 3. Other games... he loves Titanfall and will probably be all over that when it drops.
So, while #1 is big, there's 2 and 3 to consider too.
Mannon; put money aside... don't get duped into stupid games like No Man's Sky and rejoin us in Destiny 2. I'm pretty sure there'll be a character wipe and we'll all start fresh.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Oct 11, 2016 13:19:52 GMT -5
Destiny going to PC seems like a pretty major transition. In general it might be one of the console-iest games I've ever played. I don't think I've ever played a game where aim assist and auto-aim were so integrated into the game design. If I recall The Division on PC used the same aim assist as the console version even if you were playing with a mouse, which is kind of a crazy decision. But all the 'hidden hand' and 'superb target acquisition' weapon perks in Destiny make no sense for PC. The same awful PVP network performance in Destiny won't fly on PC either. It does sound like they're rebuilding Destiny 2 from the ground up so who knows.
I would really like to play Destiny on PC though, the 30fps thing does such damage to an otherwise (and I say this as a former hater) fantastic (PVE) game. By the time it comes out though, so too will Scorpio, so maybe the PC version won't be a must for me. Or maybe even better they'll have crossplay worked out. Though that's tough as Sony isn't on board with a 3-way PC/Xbox/PlayStation gaming fuckfest, and Sony has been the Destiny marketing partner for its entire existence to date. If they just pump up the resolution to 4k and stick with 30 fps for the console refreshes though, I'm off to the PC version and never looking back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 15:24:44 GMT -5
only one of my friends who id be interested in playing it with has a thing against bungie since they fu cked their composer for halo or whatever Considering Bungie let go of a renowned composer without any reason- it's flat-out disrespectful for the company's integrity and the fans. It's not even a case where Martin O'Donnell did something illegal or immoral- he even sued Bungie for firing him without cause and won. I probably wouldn't play anymore Bungie games on that principle, either. and the genres generally more saturated on pc so im not missing out on much by ignoring it Not really. The only looter shooter exclusives on PC are probably in 2D or voxels. and if it came to pc there is zero chance of the game failing so long as they dont royally fu ck up the port That being said- putting the game on Steam wouldn't hurt their chances, either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 16:41:17 GMT -5
I wasn't specifically thinking FPS arpgs because theres nothing particularly vital about it being a shooter to me. Mechanically? No, there isn't much of a difference. However, as a selling point being an FPS can make all the difference.
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Post by qupie on Oct 12, 2016 3:03:26 GMT -5
Personally, I feel that it being a FPS which works really really fluent (no matter what everyone says) is the biggest factor to its succes. The gameplay and abilities feel so slick and intuitive. Sure, the PvP netcode needs some overhauling, but the core mechanics, combined with the loot, was a homerun. (and the fact that CoD shit the bed last couple of years helps as well)
Look at Division, I was hyped AF when I saw the first video's. Then I saw that it was a cover based shooter. That was a huge mistake. Everything else it did very well (on release at least, not talking the clusterFoxtrot with bugs, patches and DLC etc). They made an extremely boring game gameplay wise, but the rest was really really solid. Even if you have a lot more content than destiny, if you have to sit behind cover and shoot some dude 413 times in the foot to kill him, it doesn't really matter. I want to be a space cowboy who Foxtrots shit up.
I personally hope it doesn't go to PC. It is a really casual game, even though the grinding gets rough sometimes. It is just the game you turn on, see what your friends are doing, and hop on. Imho, it should be played at the couch, and chill with friends. Another drawback of it going to PC is that all video's will be on PC and stuff, and I like to have something on console as well.
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Post by mannon on Oct 14, 2016 11:18:07 GMT -5
Money and time are definitely challenging. Lately Money is becoming a bit more of an issue and time a bit less... as I'm getting fewer hours at work... ;-/ Titanfall may or may not be an issue as I probably don't have the money to buy it at launch... unfortunately.
Destiny 2 sounds neat. I'm definitely more of a PC gamer than a console gamer. I generally prefer the better graphics and for shooters mouse and keyboard is much better. For Destiny I'd be tempted to just play on console instead because it's more of a casual thing for me. Having said that... I may have mostly gotten used to playing it at 30 FPS, but I certainly don't like it. I would probably jump to PC to get 60 FPS even if that were the only difference.
I also sincerely hope that they cut down some of the consolitus for the PC version. NMS has a lot of that as well including the whole holding button down for several seconds while a circle fills up to do.... EVERYTHING. Pretty much literally every interaction in NMS forces you to hold the button down and wait. It's extremely irritating and the mod which removes the wait time is probably my favorite mod for NMS. (I use several quality of life mods for the game that make it MUCH more playable and enjoyable... though it's still a pretty dull game.)
I don't see anything keeping Destiny from working quite well on PC, though. PC players also like to hop online and see what their friends are doing. Steam makes that quite easy and if the Steam integration is good enough you could probably join strait into a fireteam from Steam. Steam could use better VOIP, but everybody I know uses some 3rd party software for that anyway. I don't see a real cultural problem with the game. PC players might play the game a little differently than console players, but there's nothing that would really keep them from playing it. After all Borderlands has done quite well on PC as well as console and has many similarities with Destiny. Some people will prefer to play it on console, but again that's really not a barrier to PC players.
As for cross play... I don't think I see that happening. My guess is they would tone down auto aim and aim assist, and maybe even have it off by default... but probably keep it available as a feature for casual friendliness. They might have it disabled for PvP, though... prolly for the best if they do.
I think Destiny would still primarily be a console game. I'm sure there's a market for it on PC, but I'm betting it's much smaller than on the consoles. I guess we'll see how it goes.
For me personally, if Destiny 2 on PS4 has 60 FPS I might stick with the console... (assuming I buy D2). If it's still 30 on console and 60 on PC that could be different. Or if it's 60@1080p and 30@4K... that would be fine with me. I can't do 4K anyway.
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