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Post by exxtrooper on Jan 9, 2017 21:53:13 GMT -5
Just from reading the last two pages you guys are making it sound like armageddon itself is on the horizon jesus christ. If you didn't see it coming two games ago, you weren't paying attention. My PSN friend list is largely made up of CoD players, and not a single one of them is playing this game. It's not on the horizon, it's now. Well, I wouldn't take one persons friends list as an accurate indicator of the franchise dying as a whole. Though this is coming from someone who's played Destiny heavily since launch, a game that's been considered dead pretty much every other week for over two years now.
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Post by GodMars on Jan 10, 2017 1:21:47 GMT -5
If you didn't see it coming two games ago, you weren't paying attention. My PSN friend list is largely made up of CoD players, and not a single one of them is playing this game. It's not on the horizon, it's now. Well, I wouldn't take one persons friends list as an accurate indicator of the franchise dying as a whole. Though this is coming from someone who's played Destiny heavily since launch, a game that's been considered dead pretty much every other week for over two years now. One person's list? No. But my list includes several people here, and I heard similar reports from some of these friends and others. This is a CoD-dominated website that has been, to some degree, an important part of the CoD community (thanks solely to the work of a few of its members). Only a handful of its members are actively playing and discussing IW. The CoD forum here is a shadow of its former self, due simply to lack of interest.
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Post by GodMars on Jan 10, 2017 8:57:19 GMT -5
yeah fuc k cod its all about town of salem now I feel like you've been sitting on that one for a while, but it's not nearly as good as you were hoping it would be.
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Post by illram on Jan 10, 2017 12:52:07 GMT -5
I still find this COD gives me my FPS multi-player heroin fix, despite its flaws, so I'm still enjoying it.
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Post by lustindarkness on Jan 10, 2017 13:59:00 GMT -5
I still play IW some, but a some of my buddies play BF1 and I've been playing that more since Xmas. IW is actually a pretty good game, and I do pretty good in it.
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Post by haoz on Jan 10, 2017 16:18:33 GMT -5
A triple-A game series with basically the same gameplay year to year somehow manages to be the top selling game nearly every year. It's pretty remarkable. How long can activision keep it going? I don't play sports games, but looking there, EA seems to manage selling a new one every year (millions for Madden 17, after googling), so maybe CoD still has many years to go.
My own hope is that the devs innovate on their own terms without copying gameplay elements from other series. No more specialist supers! And they need to modernize the server/netcode infrastructure.
On another note, Activision's push into esports for CoD seems an effort at extending the longevity of the franchise. There are some conflicting effects there because CoD esports is hurt by there being a new game every year, and at times, the needs of the competitive community are at odds with needs of the casual community.
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Post by PSIII on Jan 10, 2017 16:36:29 GMT -5
CoDs are pretty much split now. A lot of people just play other games. CoD's just ruined.
I miss the last gen days. Where 20-30 people on your list would be on MW2 or something. Good times.
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Post by godzilla on Jan 10, 2017 18:20:08 GMT -5
Overall interest in Infinite Warfare is pretty low, maybe the lowest I can recall since WaW. IW sales are down 50% YoY, and Pokemon beat IW in NPD for November. Expectations for IW were low following MW3 and Ghosts, and the atrocious connections and spawns in the beta turned off a lot of people. Plus IW is facing stiff competition in Overwatch, Titanfall 2, and Battlefield 1.
Infinite Warfare is an okay game to me, but it lacks the sizzle that the good CoDs have had. For example, while headshots don't mean anything in CoD anymore - High Caliber is totally useless on the Volk, R3K and RAW - there's no headshot sound! The gunplay is mediocre, with guns not having a unique feel, and about half the weapons feel pointless because they're not fun to use and they don't feel viable. Plus a lot of weapon class/attachment balancing feels questionable. Maps are fine, killstreaks are overall weak (mid-tier streaks are trash, and Warden is only high-tier streak with good value) and I like rigs/supers, though Propulsion is broken if you have a pro controller. I'm frustrated with mediocre dev support: the party system is still a big mess, many challenges are still bugged, and there's no Combat Record 2 months after launch.
I'm still playing because I've got just enough friends playing to make IW worth it, but I don't really look forward to playing IW like I did BO3. I'm starting to fill the time with Titanfall 2 and finally making progress on my backlog.
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Post by bradman on Jan 10, 2017 20:12:22 GMT -5
Nobodys' ever playing IW when I'm on, so I play solo a little bit here and there. There's just too many other games to play right now,tbh. The best CoD out is MWR anyway.
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Post by haoz on Jan 11, 2017 12:17:58 GMT -5
I disagree regarding the weapons. I think the designs are great with nice reload animations. I prefer their black, military aesthetic over that of the BO3 weapons. BO3 had ugly guns, like the HVK. Or compare the NV4 with the ICR. NV4 has a classic-looking design; the ICR... has a bunch of holes. And as driftor once said, energy weapons are done right for the first time. They look like regular guns, just with weird front ends, but nothing alien like in AW and BO3. And they don't make pew pew sounds.
I went back and played BO3. The first thing I noticed was the running animation for your first person gun. It moves left right so much compared to in IW, kind of hilarious. The second thing is that the boost is much stronger.
part of the reason I find the game enjoyable is the visual experience. It's no BF1, but the game does have cool locations. I think the graphics are the best in CoD ever. Whatever they're doing for anti-aliasing is magical; no jagged lines anywhere. The textures are clean, and the map designers love reflective surfaces. Overall the game looks very clean.
BO3 is somewhat muddy in comparison. AW, it's harder to recall for me, but IW is more similar to AW.
I guess I mostly play solo since I leave the appear offline feature on. I'd say the people on the friends list I built for BO3 didn't all move over to IW.
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Post by bradman on Jan 12, 2017 11:09:22 GMT -5
Lol, they just added a hundred "new" camos to dilute the loot pool. They are literally emblems copy pasted as camos. The sub reddit is a total salt mine right now.
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Post by haoz on Jan 12, 2017 12:55:24 GMT -5
Ordinarily it would be a positive thing to see so much content added to the game, even if you have to roll for them. The amount of duplicates in supply drops is reduced, which is overall good, although complaints now go the other direction: harder to earn salvage because fewer dupes.
But they sure found a way to screw it up by making a portion of the new camos low quality and adding mk II supply drop only weapons, which are merely copies of all the existing variants but with a fixed camo and 15% xp bonus.
No rhyme or reason to this update.
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Post by lustindarkness on Jan 12, 2017 14:02:26 GMT -5
Whew! Good thing I already got the two weapons I really wanted. Anything else now is just extra.
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Post by godzilla on Jan 12, 2017 14:17:38 GMT -5
Ordinarily it would be a positive thing to see so much content added to the game, even if you have to roll for them. The amount of duplicates in supply drops is reduced, which is overall good, although complaints now go the other direction: harder to earn salvage because fewer dupes. But they sure found a way to screw it up by making a portion of the new camos low quality and adding mk II supply drop only weapons, which are merely copies of all the existing variants but with a fixed camo and 15% xp bonus. No rhyme or reason to this update. The reason is simple: Infinite Warfare is seriously missing revenue targets, so Activision is gonna shake down the whales for every last penny they have.
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Post by haoz on Jan 12, 2017 16:12:43 GMT -5
Ordinarily it would be a positive thing to see so much content added to the game, even if you have to roll for them. The amount of duplicates in supply drops is reduced, which is overall good, although complaints now go the other direction: harder to earn salvage because fewer dupes. But they sure found a way to screw it up by making a portion of the new camos low quality and adding mk II supply drop only weapons, which are merely copies of all the existing variants but with a fixed camo and 15% xp bonus. No rhyme or reason to this update. The reason is simple: Infinite Warfare is seriously missing revenue targets, so Activision is gonna shake down the whales for every last penny they have. I mean that's obvious. It's for money. It's just that there's no logic to their method to get that money. Why half ass some of the camos so that the good ones hat came with this patch are drowned out? Why do the mk II variants in such an unimaginative way?
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Post by illram on Jan 12, 2017 19:46:20 GMT -5
Here is what the IW rep said on the subreddit:
So based on how they are saying the loot system works, and someone correct me if I am wrong, you have an X chance of getting a weapon, then if the dice roll is a weapon, you have an x chance of it being rare, common, epic, and so on, and then after that dice roll you get another dice roll to pick the specific gun. So getting a weapon is always the same chance no matter what is added to the pool, unless they change the weapon chance %. And since the MK2 variants are just copies of all the guns, you have the same chance of getting the same variant if you consider the MK2 as the same as the non MK2. But your chances of getting the MK2 vs non MK2 are halved right? Am I wrong?
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 18, 2017 9:45:28 GMT -5
^^^^^^
The above conversation pretty much hits the nail on the head as to why Call of Duty is kind of a garbage game anymore.
"Loot systems"
Go on Youtube. Look on this board. Glance around on Reddit. You can't go anywhere without seeing most of the conversation talking about lottery stuff, loot, odds of winning, salvage points, or other ridiculous bullshit designed to get people to spend more money, in order to get better guns. It's kind of sad, to see how this all evolved.
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Post by lustindarkness on Jan 18, 2017 11:23:45 GMT -5
Interesting observation: I got the guns I wanted to try out and I thought I would now concentrate on just playing for fun. No worries about how much salvage I have accumulated and what to spend it on right? Well, how about I barely play the game now because I prefer to play BF1 with friends. I barely even play MWR anymore. Or like last night, I played No Man's Sky. NO MAN"S SKY! Think about that, let it sink in. LOL
IW is a good game, and I enjoy playing it most of the time, it just not holding my attention like past CODs did. Oh well, maybe next year I will be addicted to it again, maybe not.
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Post by markopolo on Jan 18, 2017 11:33:46 GMT -5
And y'all thought Destiny's RNG was garbage!
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 19, 2017 9:16:19 GMT -5
Interesting observation: I got the guns I wanted to try out and I thought I would now concentrate on just playing for fun. No worries about how much salvage I have accumulated and what to spend it on right? Well, how about I barely play the game now because I prefer to play BF1 with friends. I barely even play MWR anymore. Or like last night, I played No Man's Sky. NO MAN"S SKY! Think about that, let it sink in. LOL IW is a good game, and I enjoy playing it most of the time, it just not holding my attention like past CODs did. Oh well, maybe next year I will be addicted to it again, maybe not. I have been thinking of giving BF1 a try. But when I look online, it seems like most of the videos are always the PC version. With it's wild 128 person lobbies. Does the XB1 still restrict the game into smaller lobbies? I've only dabbled with BF in the past, but it's always seemed like the game isn't as much fun with the console's smaller lobbies. XB1 having like what? 32 person lobbies? Is this still the case? Can you shed some light on that?
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 19, 2017 9:25:25 GMT -5
And y'all thought Destiny's RNG was garbage! Trying to differentiate between the two is like trying to decide if cat shit or dog shit smells better. Come on, they both equally suck. Take Destiny. I spent an embarrassingly high amount of time playing the game. Doing literally everything right and by the book. Maxing out characters, Raids, weeklies and everything else every week. I never EVER got the GHorn. Let me repeat that. I spent so much time on the game, I literally had to go to counseling to block the number of hours from my memory, so I wouldn't be traumatized later in life. And nope...never got that gun. That was BS. Especially when I saw countless friends discarding 4th and 5th and 6th copies of it. What type of RNG is that? A broken one, that's what. And it did ruin my experience. All of the early solo raiding experiences, I couldn't do it. You needed a GHorn to best finish them. I was also always relegated to ' Get in back and out of the way' role when raiding, because I didn't have the best gun. That and that alone pretty much ruined the game for me, and made me snap my game disc in two pieces. I feel like I was ripped off by the game makers. No respect for them whatsoever.
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Post by markopolo on Jan 19, 2017 11:01:39 GMT -5
And y'all thought Destiny's RNG was garbage! Trying to differentiate between the two is like trying to decide if cat shit or dog shit smells better. Come on, they both equally suck. Take Destiny. I spent an embarrassingly high amount of time playing the game. Doing literally everything right and by the book. Maxing out characters, Raids, weeklies and everything else every week. I never EVER got the GHorn. Let me repeat that. I spent so much time on the game, I literally had to go to counseling to block the number of hours from my memory, so I wouldn't be traumatized later in life. And nope...never got that gun. That was BS. Especially when I saw countless friends discarding 4th and 5th and 6th copies of it. What type of RNG is that? A broken one, that's what. And it did ruin my experience. All of the early solo raiding experiences, I couldn't do it. You needed a GHorn to best finish them. I was also always relegated to ' Get in back and out of the way' role when raiding, because I didn't have the best gun. That and that alone pretty much ruined the game for me, and made me snap my game disc in two pieces. I feel like I was ripped off by the game makers. No respect for them whatsoever. First of all, dog shit is worse. Secondly, I had the same experience. Thirdly. RNG wasn't broken; you simply narrowed the enjoyment of your experience to such a limited point that you made everything out to be One or the other... Gjallahorn or nothing. I had no problem seeing bradman or mannon get their first gjallie before me. I was happy that their got theirs. You couldn't because you made the choice and the excuses because you simply couldn't be happy for others. That's not a game flaw; that's a personal character flaw
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Post by illram on Jan 19, 2017 11:20:27 GMT -5
If you don't have the best gun in a raid, well, just Leroy Jenkins that shit man.
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Post by mannon on Jan 19, 2017 11:24:45 GMT -5
I can go both ways on that. On the one hand I don't think not having GHorn qualified as ruining the entire game. I didn't have one for a pretty damn long time, and barely got to use it before they finally got around to nerfing it and the whole TK thing made my everything obsolete so I quit playing.
On the other hand it's definitely a game where you wind up with a gotta collect 'em all mentality, or at least gotta collect all the best stuff. If loot is going to be so important then so is collecting and forcing so much RNG on collecting is pretty BS. I don't mind having some RNG in loot. It makes it exciting to see what you get, like opening a fresh pack of cards for a CCG or something, or playing a scratch off game. Thing is, this is a game and any kind of loot that has real gameplay mechanics and advantages should be reasonably attainable by everyone. If there's no mechanics to mitigate bad luck then that will eventually engender a great deal of antipathy. And while that doesn't diminish the fun that can be attained in the game without said loot, the antipathy is IMO well earned.
In other words building the game the way they did probably worked fine for the vast majority of people, but an unlucky few hardcore players are going to feel legitimately slighted. It's bad design to build in mechanics that you know will disenfranchise any of your most hardcore player base even if it is a random minority. Imagine if we gave huge tax breaks to 99% of tax payers and we decided who would or wouldn't get them with a random lottery. Sure it'd be technically fair, but it sure would feel like bullshit to anybody that didn't get the tax break. The really annoying part is just knowing that it's unnecessary. The only mitigation Bungie put in there for the RNG on loot was Xur, and you had to be lucky enough to have the coins and be able to play when he had what you wanted. As far as I know Xur only sold GHorn once and most players missed that chance. People don't like being arbitrarily excluded. You can make it difficult to achieve, or a huge grind, or whatever and people will just go work at it and if they don't make it they'll shrug it off. But when you make it impossible or seemingly impossible because the RNG never falls their way despite a mountain of effort, then the design really is flawed.
There are any number of ways Bungie could have tweaked the mechanics to mitigate this. They even did some of that on the loot drops for TDB. eh...
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Post by lustindarkness on Jan 19, 2017 11:29:24 GMT -5
Interesting observation: I got the guns I wanted to try out and I thought I would now concentrate on just playing for fun. No worries about how much salvage I have accumulated and what to spend it on right? Well, how about I barely play the game now because I prefer to play BF1 with friends. I barely even play MWR anymore. Or like last night, I played No Man's Sky. NO MAN"S SKY! Think about that, let it sink in. LOL IW is a good game, and I enjoy playing it most of the time, it just not holding my attention like past CODs did. Oh well, maybe next year I will be addicted to it again, maybe not. I have been thinking of giving BF1 a try. But when I look online, it seems like most of the videos are always the PC version. With it's wild 128 person lobbies. Does the XB1 still restrict the game into smaller lobbies? I've only dabbled with BF in the past, but it's always seemed like the game isn't as much fun with the console's smaller lobbies. XB1 having like what? 32 person lobbies? Is this still the case? Can you shed some light on that? BF1 is my first BF experience, my son got it for Xmas, I have been enjoying the crap out of it because some old friends play it (the same ones that have mostly stopped playing COD) and it is definitely a teamwork oriented game. Anyway, to your question, 32 v 32 in the PS4. If you ever get the good console and get the game, let me know.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 19, 2017 11:32:12 GMT -5
That was a weird comment you made Markopolo. You don't even know me and going to that level of an insult, ...just to defend Destiny? Good lord.
I was happy for other people. Ask any of the dozens of people I played with, I never shared any animosity or jealousy towards any other people. None whatsoever. It's a game. My reference to '4th, 5th and 6th copies' was to point out the weirdness in the Destiny RNG mechanics. Where it seemed like once some items dropped for a person, they just then kept coming and coming and coming. This seemed like a flaw to me. How could any statistical model built into the game drop nothing for me (and many others) over a year, and then give a dozen friends of mine that many copies. I still think it's a fair question to ask. A question MANY people have asked.
Fact is, the RNG was broken. I know you are an apologist for the game and no matter how the game handles something, you won't speak any negativity. Good for you I suppose. I don't ride the game's nuts like you do though. If the game was somehow perfect as delusional people like you felt......then why did they make so many changes later? Well? Cause it was broken. They tried to fix things later. So come on Marco....get off your fanboy high horse and deal with reality.
If a game is going to ask me to spend hundreds of dollars, plus a ridiculous amount of time playing, I think it's a quite alright of me to hold these weird quirks accountable.
And for the most part, despite not getting the Ghorn, I kept playing and had fun. Ask the dozens of people I played with. No issues. The game was still very much playable without it. But that said, there were elements of the game that I wanted to try, but couldn't. MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. My experience may be different than yours marco. I liked doing a lot of the solo stuff. Stuff dumien did quite a bit of, posted up on here as well as thousands of other people online. Couldn't try it because I lacked the gun. Especially at the end of the 2nd DLC, where a lot of soloing and less than full party playing was going on.
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Post by iw5000 on Jan 19, 2017 11:49:14 GMT -5
I have been thinking of giving BF1 a try. But when I look online, it seems like most of the videos are always the PC version. With it's wild 128 person lobbies. Does the XB1 still restrict the game into smaller lobbies? I've only dabbled with BF in the past, but it's always seemed like the game isn't as much fun with the console's smaller lobbies. XB1 having like what? 32 person lobbies? Is this still the case? Can you shed some light on that? BF1 is my first BF experience, my son got it for Xmas, I have been enjoying the crap out of it because some old friends play it (the same ones that have mostly stopped playing COD) and it is definitely a teamwork oriented game. Anyway, to your question, 32 v 32 in the PS4. If you ever get the good console and get the game, let me know.
thanks. Is it still 32v32 on XB1?
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Post by bradman on Jan 20, 2017 14:59:26 GMT -5
It's 32 vs. 32 on both consoles. Not all game modes are 32 vs. 32 of course.
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Post by hard1ine on Feb 14, 2017 23:04:34 GMT -5
IW hasn't made a good game since MW3. They need to switch with Raven and be the support team. Corrected. No problem. I think all the devs need to turn into support teams. Activision itself might as well be the main developer. All that matters to them are their CoD points. MW3 was good if you crouch walked all game. SitRep Pro buff single handedly ruined MW3.
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