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Post by qupie on Sept 18, 2017 8:33:06 GMT -5
I actually like the new crucible. But I can see how queuing alone can be a bitch.
As for the content. I still feel this game is heaps better than D1, and it is especially a better foundation to build uppon.
But strikes and crucible need to be more relevant rewards wise, and so do the adventures on each patrol planet. Also we need more strikes ASAP, and the invis strike boss needs a health reduction. Other than those, I am still having fun, even though I played a shitload.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 18, 2017 9:03:20 GMT -5
So, I've stuck my toe into the Crucible waters. Pretty much goes like this: queue for Crucible; you and a bunch of randos face off against a preformed team; get your face smashed in while trying to keep a 1 K/D; do enough that you complete the weekly challenge. Sounds about right. What I have seen so far. Every game I have played so far in the competitive lists (and I do mean EVERY game), my team has been shorthanded due to quitting and up against another group. Just saying.
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Post by GodMars on Sept 18, 2017 10:12:52 GMT -5
I don't understand why they do not provide us with a more robust PvP experience. That would keep my attention. That would keep me playing. Once you've done PvE content it's the same thing every time thereafter. PvP is different every match because of the human element. Not to mention PvP is far more accessible than the end-game PvE content. I'll never see the raid because it requires more people than we ever have on at one time and it takes too bloody long. And the new Nightfall with the timer and whatnot is just frustrating as hell, making it feel inaccessible to me.
I can do strikes, which are repetitive and give little to no reward. I can grind repetitive world content that also gives little to no reward. Or I can do crucible, which is very limited and, more often than not, frustrating.
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Post by GodMars on Sept 18, 2017 11:39:10 GMT -5
There are what, 6 strikes? Give each strike its own loot table, consisting of weapons and armor that only drop there. People love to look good and they love to collect stuff. It keeps players engaged in content they otherwise have no use for. Speaking of strikes, Bungie needs to take a page out of Blizzard's handbook and have the Nightfall timer affect the amount of loot a player gets, not whether or not they can even complete it. As it stands now you can't even really practice it because you have to start over if you run out of time. It's frustrating and it makes me want to go do something else. Like not play the game.
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Post by malgato on Sept 18, 2017 11:58:56 GMT -5
Reddit has a pretty good back and forth going about the adequacy of D2's endgame content. You can go there to see both of the big posts, but this is a pretty thorough summary of what is missing and results in a lack of content: The author goes on to say: "Some things on the list are small, but plenty of them are considerable. There was no reason to take so many steps backward from the end of D1 into D2. I say no reason, but I think most of us know the reason. It's so they can trickle it out to us and/or make us pay for it via DLC. But more than anything, my concern is the people in this community telling other people their opinions aren't valid because they play too much. That is ridiculous. I also want to say that I am NOT a Destiny hater. I love Destiny and I still play it every day because it's a ton of fun. But I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend there aren't glaring issues."
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Post by markopolo on Sept 18, 2017 13:34:12 GMT -5
Yea... I saw that. Here's what that author is missing:
1. Destiny 2 is all about regaining what was lost. Thinking Destiny 2 was going to offer a whole bunch of new things, with new races, with new locations and new abilities and all that, was never the MO of D2. Sorry if people were expecting that. Destiny 2 always was about being knocked down, humbled, and building ourselves back up again. It's silly to think that we were getting brand new races and brand new areas that existed outside of the Destiny universe. At least until some DLC's or Destiny 3 comes out.
2. Destiny 2 was always going to be about Bungie retelling the storyline of year 1. It was always going to be about them fixing things. That's why Destiny 1 is still active; do you like how it was? Great: play D1.
3. Destiny 2 gave Reddit whatever they wanted. Reddit has been howling for weapon customization for-f$$king-ever. Now you have it. Reddit has been howling for-f$$king-ever that droprates and godrolls on whatever were too rare. Now we have all the same drops. Reddit has been howling for-f$$king-ever that you can see really cool areas of the map but can't go there. Now we have it (to some extent) Reddit's now howling new stuff and more variety? Wait for the DLC, ffs. Reddit has been howling for-f$$king-ever that certain perk/gear/weapon combos were ruining PVP and making PVE layouts stale. Now all the weapons and armour come preleveled, ready to go
4. and this is the big one... Ultimately: this is like, their opinion, man... I would agree if this game was Destiny 1: The Cabal War. But it's not. I can see why they did what they did and the reasons for it were clearly laid out. This reminds me a lot of the "winter thankyou gift" that they did, and all the numbnutzes thought Bungie was going to rain exotics. The game's been out 2 weeks and people are already trashing the endgame. Now, if the DLC1 doesn't have a new raid, we can talk... but ultimately, it's a big premature to think that the game is taking so many steps backwards.
My 2 cents anyways
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Post by hebbnh on Sept 18, 2017 14:00:26 GMT -5
Yeah, the honeymoon phase circlejerk is definitely over at Reddit, and the sky is falling circlejerk has taken its place. I'm 50 hours in, which seems like a lot, but is actually on the low end compared to my friends list. The people who've played less than me are maybe 10-15 hours behind, but the people who've played more have played WAY more, as in almost double to almost triple. I'm already to the point that playing on my Hunter is kind of a waste of time once Nightfall, flashpoint, etc. powerful gear milestones are done. Nothing else gives me a worthwhile reward, just blue gear 5 levels below what I could actually benefit from and a very rare chance for an exotic drop. I hesitate to say that doing the adventures is a complete waste of time because the story aspect of those is at least interesting, but it's a shame I don't get much more than lore for doing them. Lost sectors, on the other hand, are a massive disappointment IMO and a huge missed opportunity that serve zero purpose past 260 power.
I suppose the same could be said about D1's endgame, that after raids and nightfalls there wasn't much way to progress your character. At least there was a chance to get gear with better perks or stats or an interesting gun roll that gave you some feeling of progression, but that's gone now as the armor is basically cosmetic only. I guess I can start cashing in my tokens trying to get one of each legendary weapon since they're all unique now, but that seems dumb when they're going to drop at 279 or 280 and I'd have to infuse them up later. Solo crucible is not an enjoyable experience, and that's coming from someone who likes crucible and solo queued a ton in D1. I started working up my Titan, but I'm kind of questioning if that's even worth the effort at this point. I don't know. I guess long story short is I think a lot of people expected this to devolve into "do nightfall, do raid, maybe do trials, done for the week" eventually, but I didn't think we'd be there after just 2 weeks. Hopefully the Faction Rally is some actual new content and not just a delayed introduction of the same faction system we had in D1.
Of course I say all that when I haven't even done the raid yet, so I may not have the most logical outlook on things.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 18, 2017 14:22:08 GMT -5
I dunno if it's the sky is falling circle jerk... - Bungie has recognized that Reddit's opinions are important to them - Reddit has whined to the highest heavens about stuff and got it - Reddit is trying to get what they want and using the same tactics/behaviours to do so
It's just that in D2, Bungie is giving it to Reddit's demands, but in Bungie's way.
For example: as much as Redditors want to howl to the high heavens about the shader system, this is what Redditors wanted: they wanted to be able to individualize their armour pieces and not have a blanket shader system. How many posts did Reddit make about weapons/armour taking too long to level? So Bungie gave telemetries, then motes of light, and then now: it comes f$$king preleveled ready to go.
It would almost be shocking if Reddit didn't complain about something... whether it was an issue or whether it was about redditors themselves
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Post by GodMars on Sept 18, 2017 15:23:02 GMT -5
Insult to injury: did the nightfall with two friends earlier this afternoon and the Rat King quest didn't complete even though we had plenty of time on the clock and both had completed the quest for the Rat King. Perhaps one of them needed to still be on the path? I dunno.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 18, 2017 15:35:08 GMT -5
Insult to injury: did the nightfall with two friends earlier this afternoon and the Rat King quest didn't complete even though we had plenty of time on the clock and both had completed the quest for the Rat King. Perhaps one of them needed to still be on the path? I dunno. As far as my research has shown (just started the quest) the quest needs to active on one fireteam member. If only you knew someone who still has it active and still has to do a nightfall this week and just gotthe Borealis sniper to change damage types at will.... whistle
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Post by malgato on Sept 18, 2017 15:40:41 GMT -5
My understanding is that all members of the fireteam need to either have the quest active or they need to equip the quest gun if they have already finished the quest line.
The two Hebbs and I did it yesterday and everything worked for us (except for THebb's internet connection).
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Post by malgato on Sept 18, 2017 15:45:49 GMT -5
My take on the state of D2: There are many quality of life improvements that I very much appreciate. But I hate the new crucible (particularly for queuing solo) and I find the activities worth grinding (again, solo) to be pretty lacking.
So to me, the quality is great but the quantity is not.
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Post by wings on Sept 18, 2017 16:00:26 GMT -5
Fewer strikes at launch for D2 compared to D1.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 19, 2017 2:06:52 GMT -5
Dumien may not be around the next few days. He will probably be exhausted from carrying me in that last nightfall we did. I have no clue how he finished it. Especially the end. I was dying over and over and over....
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Post by qupie on Sept 19, 2017 4:24:42 GMT -5
Reddit has a pretty good back and forth going about the adequacy of D2's endgame content. You can go there to see both of the big posts, but this is a pretty thorough summary of what is missing and results in a lack of content: The author goes on to say: "Some things on the list are small, but plenty of them are considerable. There was no reason to take so many steps backward from the end of D1 into D2. I say no reason, but I think most of us know the reason. It's so they can trickle it out to us and/or make us pay for it via DLC. But more than anything, my concern is the people in this community telling other people their opinions aren't valid because they play too much. That is ridiculous. I also want to say that I am NOT a Destiny hater. I love Destiny and I still play it every day because it's a ton of fun. But I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend there aren't glaring issues." Yeah I saw this list, and it is such bullshit. Sorry for the salt incoming, but the author is a complete douche. (tldr; he says weekly stuff doesn't count towards repayable content, and he hasn't completed the raid yet, nor does he play trials...) Removed subclass customisation for example, really? Did anybody every customize their subclass in D1? Or did they just set it and forget it? There was no variety in D1, only the best loadout. This system is way better. Little to no replayable end game content? Raid, trials, nightfall, flashpoint, treasure chests. It is more than I can do in a week on 3 characters... Enemies recycled? What the hell did he expect? The enemies are a lot more diverse than I hoped for in a sequel. There are quite a few new ones and also quite a few that were reworked. I personally like the new exotics, they are special, not OP. And the end of the list is just repeating what he already said above and stomping it further into the ground. I had a discussion with the author of that post on Reddit, and he told me he hasn't finished the raid yet.... (yeah) and he never plays PvP. And he started a post complaining there not enough end game content. I was like wtf? He told me he could complete all weekly stuf in one day, but he hadn't even completed the raid once... I for one, have not completed every milestone past week, not even close. And I played plenty. Destiny 2 is not a fix for everything in Destiny 1. If you play a lot, there are again just like last year some periods of time where you will have nothing to do for higher loot. Did anybody expect anything else? This game is a better foundation for future expansion I believe. I don't know what Bungie ever did to that guy, but he is just a salty prick... There is one thing I do have a problem with in D2, and that is chilling and shooting as I would like to call it. Just some content like striking in the end stage of destiny 1, preferably with some nice modifiers. The key is having enough content on rotation for it to be not super repetative, and the other key is gaining at least somewhat useful loot. Just chilling with friends while being somewhat usefull you know? There is none in D2. It is either public events or raid/nightfall. Strikes and crucible are somewhat irreverent loot wise, which is a shame. 6 strikes is also not enough, but they are a lot bigger. Public events are just a little too much of a hassle (fast-travel) to just have fun and shoot. But that post on reddit, and that guy, doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Not completed the raid.... wtf? There are things destiny 2 could do better. But posting such a list doesn't help anybody. Heck, I wouldn't even want half of that list back in this game.
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Post by wings on Sept 19, 2017 5:06:33 GMT -5
I personally like the new exotics, they are special, not OP. I'm sure the crybabies will get MIDA nerfed. Exotics will always have a number of items that are barely used. I'm guessing players are not seeing the benefits of exotics as the ones in D1 make them really obvious, e.g. Twilight Garrison. Another issue is the reduction of abilities make the PvE experience feel less space magic for some. Gone are the days of Voidwalkers using Nothing Monacles and Scatter Grenades to obliterate NPCs in strikes.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Sept 19, 2017 6:39:16 GMT -5
Dumien may not be around the next few days. He will probably be exhausted from carrying me in that last nightfall we did. I have no clue how he finished it. Especially the end. I was dying over and over and over.... Well, it certainly wasn't anything I did that carried us through. I actually played much better on my Titan with randoms a bit later after leveling him up and using one of those "Carry Me! Tokens". Surprisingly convenient. The rewards weren't great, but after all that my Warlock got up to 278, which means 280 in no time with the reset goodies pouring in. And my Titan got up to 273, even though he started the day at level 9 or so and with at least a third of the campaign left to play. I didn't bother going all the way through with the final Destiny 1 grind to 400, so I think I'll be happy just getting to 290 or so which seems pretty realistic over the course of the next week, including the start-from-scratch Hunter I still need to do as my third. Then I should be recovered from the grind enough to do it all again come the PC version.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 19, 2017 8:25:53 GMT -5
You went from level 9 to 273? Good lord.
I felt a bit lucky just with my tiny progress. I started last night at 261 or so and by cashing in all my world tokens, a few other things, some things I missed (free finish the campaign engram)...I went to like 268 I think right before the raid. The first few stages of the raid, plus the maze prize, key, and other things brought me up to 270. I then cashed in some free clan engrams, plus the Raid engrams and that brought me up to 272.
I need to now read up on how to get to the 280's.
The raid was fun. I enjoyed all the parts of it. The red reflecting pool stage with the butchers was interesting, trying to figure it out and all. I felt my 268 was a bit of a hindrance there, as when I was guarding the plates I couldn't take down those yellow butchers with my heavy. Dumien said '4 shots' with the fusion, but it was taking more like 5 or 6 (maybe cause I was 268?). And that assumed I hit every shot (lol, yeah, right) So I really had to juggle my supers and/or my grenade. I thought I did ok.
I also have to look into a new controller. My left stick, which works the 'sprinting' ...just sometimes doesn't work. Tapping it is supposed to initiate a sprint but sometimes it just causes my character to stop and turn. It's a bit annoying. I was able to work around it, but you need to move fast in this game. I had to REALLY be on top of my game with the rotations.
The NightFall was brutal. I did ok with the jumping aspects. I think a few runs and I would have it down, but ....seriously? For me to learn that on my own would never happen. I would just have quit. What's the point with the4se new NF's? It's good to be hard but....And the last stage was impossible. A small platform with no where to hide from the dozens of enemies, with a boss bombing the shit out of us, just stupid hard. I kept dying over and over. I have no clue how Dumien stayed alive. I think Pegasus said Dumien found a glitch spot? I know hard things makes stuff fun, but that seemed almost a bit dumb. I'm never going to go spend what would be hours and hours trying and failing, for what seems to only be a legendary engram?
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Post by markopolo on Sept 19, 2017 8:43:17 GMT -5
Gone are the days of Voidwalkers using Nothing Monacles and Scatter Grenades to obliterate NPCs in strikes. Oh dear..... You haven't heard the story of Darth Devourlock the Wise, have you? I thought not. It's not a story the Vanguard would tell you. It's a Hive legend. Darth Devourlock was a voidwalker warlock of the Vanguard, so powerful and so wise he could use his grenade to influence the Void to create life... He had such a knowledge of the devour perk side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. After all, the Void is a pathway to many abilities Titans consider to be unnatural. Anyways, by using this tree and these strategies, he became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his friends list, which eventually, of course, he did. Why would you group with someone who kills everything? Unfortunately, they will eventually nerf the tree to make it worthless or not worth using. www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6ymmon/tip_the_unkillable_warlock_devour_god/
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 19, 2017 8:52:17 GMT -5
Could someone explain that in type? Is this the process?
1. Set up the right voidwalker items (got that) 2. Don't use melee ever 3. Toss a grenade, and stand INSIDE the explosion? 4. Shoot stuff 5. Your grenade gives you 1) instant full health, and 2) recharges your grenade faster? 6. Repeat?
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Post by qupie on Sept 19, 2017 8:56:52 GMT -5
You went from level 9 to 273? Good lord. I felt a bit lucky just with my tiny progress. I started last night at 261 or so and by cashing in all my world tokens, a few other things, some things I missed (free finish the campaign engram)...I went to like 268 I think right before the raid. The first few stages of the raid, plus the maze prize, key, and other things brought me up to 270. I then cashed in some free clan engrams, plus the Raid engrams and that brought me up to 272. I need to now read up on how to get to the 280's. The raid was fun. I enjoyed all the parts of it. The red reflecting pool stage with the butchers was interesting, trying to figure it out and all. I felt my 268 was a bit of a hindrance there, as when I was guarding the plates I couldn't take down those yellow butchers with my heavy. Dumien said '4 shots' with the fusion, but it was taking more like 5 or 6 (maybe cause I was 268?). And that assumed I hit every shot (lol, yeah, right) So I really had to juggle my supers and/or my grenade. I thought I did ok. I also have to look into a new controller. My left stick, which works the 'sprinting' ...just sometimes doesn't work. Tapping it is supposed to initiate a sprint but sometimes it just causes my character to stop and turn. It's a bit annoying. I was able to work around it, but you need to move fast in this game. I had to REALLY be on top of my game with the rotations. The NightFall was brutal. I did ok with the jumping aspects. I think a few runs and I would have it down, but ....seriously? For me to learn that on my own would never happen. I would just have quit. What's the point with the4se new NF's? It's good to be hard but....And the last stage was impossible. A small platform with no where to hide from the dozens of enemies, with a boss bombing the shit out of us, just stupid hard. I kept dying over and over. I have no clue how Dumien stayed alive. I think Pegasus said Dumien found a glitch spot? I know hard things makes stuff fun, but that seemed almost a bit dumb. I'm never going to go spend what would be hours and hours trying and failing, for what seems to only be a legendary engram? Leveling up your second character is a breeze this time around. The high level weapons from your first character (280+) give you a lot of great gear really fast. As for how to level up right now, what is your bottleneck? Do you have high primary/energy weapons? If not, the mida quest is the best starting point (the gun is pretty nice too). You get a high level kinetic and energy weapon from it. After you get those, the others will drop a little higher too. If your weapons are already higher then your armor, powerfull gear is your best bet (nightfall, flashpoint, raid, 10 games of crucible). If you want to create multiple characters, the best time to do so is if you have done the powerfull gear milestones for the week, and your weapons are already higher then your armor. That nightfall was actually quite easy imho, but the last boss stage was a bitch. We tried the prestige version and kept dying too. I think the key is to forget about the boss for a minute and kill the adds. They go down really quick, but if you don't put them down on time, it is almost impossible to survive even 5 seconds. Glad to hear you enjoyed the raid. All in all a great spot to farm legendary and bright engrams too Edit: for devour to activate you hold your grenade button, and that consumes your grenade energy (but you don't actually throw a grenade). It is a great build by itself, but I don't consume grenades too often in it. Just slap enemies.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 19, 2017 9:09:32 GMT -5
Could someone explain that in type? Is this the process? 1. Set up the right voidwalker items (got that) 2. Don't use melee ever 3. Toss a grenade, and stand INSIDE the explosion? 4. Shoot stuff 5. Your grenade gives you 1) instant full health, and 2) recharges your grenade faster? 6. Repeat? No... at leat how I did it was: 1. Setup the perks 2. Enter an engagement with a lot of mobs 3. Eat your grenade to start the 9 second devour perk 4. Punch something 5. Kill mobs anyways you like to reset the 9 sec perk and trigger instant full health
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Post by markopolo on Sept 19, 2017 9:12:03 GMT -5
I also have to look into a new controller. My left stick, which works the 'sprinting' ...just sometimes doesn't work. Tapping it is supposed to initiate a sprint but sometimes it just causes my character to stop and turn. It's a bit annoying. I was able to work around it, but you need to move fast in this game. I had to REALLY be on top of my game with the rotations. Irrc, it might be working just fine. They got rid of the sprint cooldown, so you're always sprinting (at least, I think you are)
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 19, 2017 9:12:53 GMT -5
No bottleneck right now. Every thing I did last night just kept tossing stuff my way. I couldn't cash stuff in fast enough lol.
I imagine when I go back to solo stuff tonight and the rest of the week...I will have to figure out what to do to get higher gear. I'll make a checklist of the things you said, and just do them. The MIDA quest looks good, just have to find out where I start it? NF ain't happening solo. The flashpoint thing and crucible, I can maybe try those.
will doing regular strikes be of any benefit now?
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 19, 2017 9:13:58 GMT -5
I also have to look into a new controller. My left stick, which works the 'sprinting' ...just sometimes doesn't work. Tapping it is supposed to initiate a sprint but sometimes it just causes my character to stop and turn. It's a bit annoying. I was able to work around it, but you need to move fast in this game. I had to REALLY be on top of my game with the rotations. Irrc, it might be working just fine. They got rid of the sprint cooldown, so you're always sprinting (at least, I think you are) Not sure. There are definitely two modes of running though...I see when my character is sprinting. I can also visually see when I sprint. It starts with clicking the left stick.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 19, 2017 9:15:49 GMT -5
The MIDA quest looks good, just have to find out where I start it? You do the enhance questline in the EDZ... it's just north of James Bond Questline of 4 missions should take half an hour if you're quick.... the process of getting the MIDA should take another half... look in the spoiler thread I posted for a big tip on the last part of it
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Post by qupie on Sept 19, 2017 10:26:13 GMT -5
- Yeah flashpoint is just doing public events on titan. Easy to do by yourself. Tip if you are alone in an area: fast travel again to the same area, you might get into a server that is not empty. Takes ~10 seconds per try. Also, these fallen walker events are really easy to turn into heroic events.
- Crucible, I don't know if you like crucible, but there is a milestone in which you have to complete ~7-12 games for powerfull gear. If you ever want to try trials, you have to complete this at least once, so I would advice doing it. Crucible solo queue can be quite a hassle with the way this game focuses on team fights. But on the other hand, you don't have to win the games for this milestone. As long as you are having fun and improving your skills, you are fine.
- Nightfall solo seems like an absolute bitch to me. It is doable but not fun. I would skip this
- Mida multi tool is quite strait forward. There are blue missions on each planet after finishing campain. Each of these planets have an exotic quest (except IO). Earth probably has the easiest and most strait forward one, which you can complete without even looking at reddit/google once. It is all in the game. It can all be soloed, but the first part will be more fun if you find a friend. 2nd part is better to solo (~half an hour of making headshots and stuff in patrol).
But on the other hand, it seems you are quite ready for anything. So don't try to grind too hard. I think 370+ is sufficient for just about any content. You will level automatically. Especially if you don't have a real bottleneck right now, you might want to focus on just playing and letting your gear middle a little. After that go for the powerful gear and exotic quest. Strikes are a bit longer then before, and a bit more complicated. Still a lot of fun but less fun with randoms than last time imho.
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Post by GodMars on Sept 19, 2017 10:31:45 GMT -5
If only you knew someone who still has it active and still has to do a nightfall this week and just gotthe Borealis sniper to change damage types at will.... whistle I was escorted through the NF by two very good and well-geared players. I'm not keen on doing these things straight as they're currently designed.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 19, 2017 10:47:24 GMT -5
I think 370+ is sufficient for just about any content. Oh my cotton socks!!!!!!!!! I would hope 370 is sufficient...
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Post by markopolo on Sept 20, 2017 10:23:03 GMT -5
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