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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 14, 2018 3:51:53 GMT -5
The MOG 12 is a 2 shot kill pump action shotgun.
The SG12 is a 4 shot kill semi automatic shotgun with a SIX ROUND magazine capacity.
Fuck treyarch,
bUt shOtgUns ArE sEcOndArIEs
Fuck you if you think that is an excuse to make shotguns beyond atrocious.
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Post by Den on Oct 14, 2018 9:24:37 GMT -5
Treyarch game with crap shotguns? Say it isn't so!
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 14, 2018 9:51:24 GMT -5
Was just about to post in the main thread asking about this... There aren't any attachments that make the pump a 1-shot?? Please???
At the very least, what are the pistols like?
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 14, 2018 11:26:00 GMT -5
Was just about to post in the main thread asking about this... There aren't any attachments that make the pump a 1-shot?? Please??? At the very least, what are the pistols like? The MOG 12 has choke barrel which is supposed to turn it into a shitty version of the KRM. The SG12 has an attachment that adds two pellets. Don't use pistols but they're better than shotguns. Edit: The MOG 12 is actually passable with choke barrel. Seems to have a decent one shot kill range. The only problem which is honestly a good thing is the fact that you have to be perfect to kill with it.
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Post by Usagi on Oct 14, 2018 12:35:03 GMT -5
I only played during the beta but I enjoyed the MOG12 a lot weirdly enough. It's definitely a trash gun though, I wont deny that. The thing about it being a 2HK is that it's always a 2HK. It ignores armor with no attachments, Crash's health boost, and even at tickle range it still kills in 2 shots. From my playing it seemsd to do around 100 damage per shot which was enough to get me a decent amount of one hit kills on injured players. I didn't try out the double choke but i played a game against someone who was and it seemed to have pretty good range and consistency. I noticed that Rapid Fire is mandatory, many engagements I got into I died just before I was able to fire a second shot but Rapid Fire is a dramatic increase and bumps you over that break point. My biggest annoyance with it was that you can't reload cancel the nearly second-long racking animation at the end of every reload. Had a couple opportunities for triple kills or more but i couldn't with just 4 shots.
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 15, 2018 1:55:19 GMT -5
Sounds shit but maybe usable. Whats the hip-fire spread like? Still classic Treyarch bullshit where ADS'ing like multiplies spread by 0.3 I'm assuming?
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Post by Usagi on Oct 15, 2018 13:55:25 GMT -5
Reasonably tight. I think ADS improves the spread but they seem to work like BO3 shotguns where landing at least one pellet is what matters and extra pellets don't do that much damage so funnily enough wider spread is better.
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 16, 2018 2:32:52 GMT -5
Reasonably tight. I think ADS improves the spread but they seem to work like BO3 shotguns where landing at least one pellet is what matters and extra pellets don't do that much damage so funnily enough wider spread is better. Oh true, I forgot about that system because I only played BO3 for about 2 days online. Well they might be usable still, will have to see how it goes whenever I buy the game.
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Post by markopolo on Oct 16, 2018 8:59:16 GMT -5
In ALL of gaming? As in, across all genres, platforms, and time?
Fuck me, I gotta buy this game now!
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Post by wings on Oct 17, 2018 3:53:59 GMT -5
Foxtrot treyarch, bUt shOtgUns ArE sEcOndArIEs Foxtrot you if you think that is an excuse to make shotguns beyond atrocious. I've never agreed with that reasoning due to the opportunity cost in sacrificing a rocket launcher and the time to kill is fast enough with other weapons anyway. Guess that's what happens when you pander to stubborn players. Same thing happened with Destiny. :/
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 17, 2018 8:45:16 GMT -5
Foxtrot treyarch, bUt shOtgUns ArE sEcOndArIEs Foxtrot you if you think that is an excuse to make shotguns beyond atrocious. I've never agreed with that reasoning due to the opportunity cost in sacrificing a rocket launcher and the time to kill is fast enough with other weapons anyway. Guess that's what happens when you pander to stubborn players. Same thing happened with Destiny. :/ The best part is I guarantee you if one of us went and made a shotgun class and had even moderate success someone would rage at us haha
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Post by wings on Oct 17, 2018 9:20:21 GMT -5
I've never agreed with that reasoning due to the opportunity cost in sacrificing a rocket launcher and the time to kill is fast enough with other weapons anyway. Guess that's what happens when you pander to stubborn players. Same thing happened with Destiny. :/ The best part is I guarantee you if one of us went and made a shotgun class and had even moderate success someone would rage at us haha That wouldn't surprise me. I noticed my Xbox profile rating took a nosedive after I had experimented with shotguns in MW3. I didn't get any salty messages but I might have prohibited messages from everyone not on my friend's list at the time. I only did that because I get fed up with muting so many people with bad mics with interference or they had environmental noise. Wouldn't surprise me if most of the shotgun haters are the ones voting for maps where shotguns ought to be decent like Nuketown and the like.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Oct 17, 2018 10:54:51 GMT -5
is this really a shocker?
shotguns have been dead since bo2.. by far my favorite weapon, but they are trash.
only a matter of time till snipers are nerfed to oblivion as well. cant be having people die in 1 hit
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 17, 2018 14:56:09 GMT -5
I've never agreed with that reasoning due to the opportunity cost in sacrificing a rocket launcher and the time to kill is fast enough with other weapons anyway. Guess that's what happens when you pander to stubborn players. Same thing happened with Destiny. :/ The best part is I guarantee you if one of us went and made a shotgun class and had even moderate success someone would rage at us haha I have been pulling some 3+ KD games with the MOG 12. You can imagine how much rage is directed at me. I used to consistently pull 100+ kill games in BO3 with the hitmarker maker. Fun times. It's like they don't realize that I would be performing far better with an SMG.
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Post by illram on Oct 17, 2018 15:35:31 GMT -5
BO3 had the Argus and Brecci which were loads of fun. IW had the M2817 or whatever it was called and the Rack 9 epic variant that was basically a rail gun. There was also a great Banshee variant that got me lots of love letters.
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Post by lustindarkness on Oct 17, 2018 21:37:34 GMT -5
On the MOG grind (only like 8 matches in) to unlock that choke barrel, it really does suck, LOL.
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Post by illram on Oct 18, 2018 11:18:49 GMT -5
It really sucks there are only two shotguns.
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Post by exxtrooper on Oct 18, 2018 21:20:44 GMT -5
Nah man ive tried the game at a friends house and I still feel the shotgun from ratchet and clank 4 multiplayer is the worst. You could 2 shot people with the rocket and 1 shot people with the upgraded rocket and poison mod at any range while the shotgun took regulary like 4-5 hits.
Even the vipers starting weapon you could easily mow people down before they even got into range even if they had charge boots.
You had to get the freeze mod to even make them feel like they could kill someone in the first place.
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Post by illram on Oct 18, 2018 22:28:38 GMT -5
I think I have discovered that the best shotgun is the Paladin.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 19, 2018 0:24:37 GMT -5
On the MOG grind (only like 8 matches in) to unlock that choke barrel, it really does suck, LOL. Grind them out in hardcore ffa. Only way to do it.
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Post by lustindarkness on Oct 20, 2018 13:16:13 GMT -5
On the MOG grind (only like 8 matches in) to unlock that choke barrel, it really does suck, LOL. Grind them out in hardcore ffa. Only way to do it. Long barrel, barrel choke, and dragon breath. Quick draw or stock? Tried both QD, Stock, also two more perks instead of QD/Stock, I suck the same. LOL
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 20, 2018 20:11:41 GMT -5
Grind them out in hardcore ffa. Only way to do it. Long barrel, barrel choke, and dragon breath. Quick draw or stock? Tried both QD, Stock, also two more perks instead of QD/Stock, I suck the same. LOL Long barrel and barrel choke are what you want. Dragon's breath doesn't really help much in my experience. Quick draw if you find yourself losing because you can't bring up your gun quickly enough. Stock if you like pre aiming. I don't use either because I like having perks.
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 21, 2018 10:54:38 GMT -5
Wasn't it discussed that Rapid Fire was really good/required? Or is it not an attachment in this game?
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Post by wg4f on Oct 21, 2018 13:01:42 GMT -5
Mog seems very good. I expect it to be banned in pro play or eventually be nerfed It needs attachments, but it has some of the strongest attachments in the game
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 21, 2018 20:03:57 GMT -5
The easiest way to nerf it would be to make it a slug gun while ADS'd. Technically it's actually a buff, but it would require more accuracy than it does now.
EDIT: Max load and strobe light appear to be the best sega genesis 12 attachments. Though extended mags help a lot too.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Oct 26, 2018 8:55:17 GMT -5
going to leave this here:
dragons breath looks intriguing, might be the next weapon to grind out now that I got the dual-wielding saugs (which are a blast to run around with, despite just presitiging and having none of my perks/score-streaks)
some of my best games have come after unlocking this beast, plays in a similar fashion to a shotgun
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 26, 2018 21:19:13 GMT -5
RF still seems like it would be better, and costs the same amount of P10 points? The finishing off effect of dragon's breath seems very slow.
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Oct 27, 2018 1:41:58 GMT -5
Based off the stats in Drif0r's video I made this chart for the SG12. It's damage dealt per pellet landed and range. Max Load makes pellets go from 8PS to 10PS. LS2 increases damage per pellet a little bit. Not sure which is better, or if none is best.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Oct 31, 2018 14:48:56 GMT -5
lmao shotgun which is BAD received a nerf.. Choked Barrel: 1-hit-kill range reduced.
really tried to make this gun work, but more times then not you need 2hit to kill.. which is half your mags
what a joke
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Post by Slick on Oct 31, 2018 18:51:14 GMT -5
Must've gotten too much hate on the dev twitter feed. SAD. But I'm not surprised. Anything that isn't in direct competition with their smgs if it kills them is op, unfair, unskilled, for frags, etc.
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