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Post by wings on Jun 28, 2020 9:22:12 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 29, 2020 15:05:10 GMT -5
As long as Bungie continues this new Umbral Engram system, I don't see much issues with sunsetting. Sure, people won't be happy to have to re-grind gears, especially the ones that were re-issue of the exactly the same ones in the past, hopefully they don't do that (much) once Y4 starts. With that out of the way, I am in general very much in favor of having a system that gears are flowing through the sandbox like water to keep things fresh: powerful items can be added from time to time without fear of introducing permanent power creep, which is a pain for both testing and balancing.
I do agree with the point of view that the armor masterwork cost must be lowered, or alternatively return the materials when sharding them.
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Post by wings on Jun 29, 2020 19:47:15 GMT -5
It was never an issue of power creep though, or individual weapons would be sunset including exotics. It's the same with people theorising that armour sunsetting was because of Armaments Mods when Bungie can just deprecate them like they've done with mods before. If people are worried about those mods in Gambit I'd just take out Taken, Hive and Fallen and replace them with Scorn, Vex and Cabal and they can thank me for making their games even tougher. The Umbral engram system is okay but you need to grind to rank 72 to be able to focus on the stat targeted armour grind, which only guarantees a minimum stat roll of 12, and requires the purchase of a currency that is limited to five purchases per week. This season we've had 19 re-issued weapons so I don't see why Y4 will be any different. As for keeping things fresh, that doesn't always work out. Many of the pro-sunsetting players said it will be boring by using the Spare Rations for ages but they will be the first ones to complain if Bungie doesn't release a kinetic 150 RPM hand cannon available for the max infuse cap, the same 'archetype' of Spare Rations. This is currently the situation as Dire Promise's infuse cap is not season 14's max level. Would be interesting to see all the M&K players who complained about always using Spare Rations as if they were forced at gunpoint having to use a different weapon for once.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jun 29, 2020 22:30:36 GMT -5
On armors: I foresee that the older armors are getting "sunset" naturally anyway, due to Bungie's trick of introducing powerful seasonal mods. There are quite a few (over)powerful ones this season, and they can only be applied to armors of season 10 or better. On weapons: first of all people complain much less about sunsetting, probably due to the much easier route to masterwork. In addition, I think Bungie will play tricks similar to mods on armors mentioned above, through weapon perks, by introducing powerful ones that only newer weapons can have, including the "re-issues". Their first step is to nerf prevalent dominant perks for reload & damage to make room for these new perks. Another trick Bungie most likely will be doing is to give players armor mods and weapon perks that buff one aspect but nerf another aspect. Usually the nerf is applied to one particular stat. Example: armor mod "stack on stacks", weapon perk "iron grip". The general direction: keep the sandbox fluid and players on their toes Another thing the community has been complaining (maybe even more than sunsetting) is the power grind every season, especially if required by new content, like this season's Dungeon. This may not be a big deal if there are enough new content at the lower power level (which is usually the case during the first season of a new year), but sucks for seasons that are light on content. One solution would be to provide 2 versions of the new content, a "regular" one with "normal" difficulty that does not offer great loot, and a "legendary" one with tougher difficulty that offers great loot.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Jun 30, 2020 1:53:35 GMT -5
I've just been grinding away at Elite Dangerous after many years away... subsurface deposits (which were new to me) are crazy right now for low-temp diamonds, saved up a couple of billion to buy the new fleet carrier then did some rank grinding to finally pick up an Imperial Cutter (for even more SSD mining). ED has some similarities to Destiny, they both have really fun core gameplay that is completely sabotaged by the rest of the game design. And they both kind of require using websites to play in order to keep your sanity. Though unfortunately ED doesn't have an interactive API so you can't do things like managing your ships from a fast responsive website and instead have to suffer through the god awful UI which has amazingly only gotten ever so slightly better in like the last 4+ years since I seriously played.
Is Destiny going to get any of my grinding time back? That's a good question... so I guess a weekly reset is about to happen... so there is potential for a patch/hotfix to remedy the issue I'm having with not being able to continue with those Warmind exotics... And you know, that's the main reason I'm not playing D2 right now. It's such a momentum killer to start working on something and then the game just saying "nope". In Destiny's defense at least it doesn't have anything quite as boring as refreshing mission boards or grinding powerplay merits. But as boring as those things are... they at least work.
As for weapon sunsetting in D2, that's not a big deal for me at the moment, in fact anything that encourages me to toss old weapons is kind of welcome. Taken King made Y1 stuff obsolete if I recall, and that probably helped me get into Destiny a bit in the first place. In ED the engineering system changed, and all of my pretty good mods are kind of obsolete... set to level 4 instead of 5 and if I want to max them out I have a pretty big material grind ahead of me again which is kind of annoying. It's not too bad aside from engineering being one of the "not fun" parts of gameplay. But all of my work back then as far as unlocking engineers still counts, so that's nice.
Anyway, ball is in your court Bungie. Fix your game.
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Post by wings on Jun 30, 2020 6:29:05 GMT -5
They can nerf the mods or deprecate them, both of which they have done. That's just an excuse for the Bungie Defence Force to try and justify Bungie's dubious practices. If they want to make players feel powerful for only short periods of time with specific mods, then they shouldn't be on armour but instead part of a skill tree. And keeping things fresh whilst not sunsetting exotics and not changing up mechanics of encounters will only go so far as players are going to be using the same exotics anyway - Divinity, Izanagi, Erianna's Vow etc. You can run Grandmaster Nightfalls with three Nightstalkers and basically skip everything because of cloaking with maximum mobility and Dragon's Shadow. That triviliases content far more than sunset gear like Wendingo and Epicurean.
I mean if Bungie wanted to keep things genuinely fresh, they can just not make the best archetype of weapons be usable in endgame content. It would actually give the pro-sunset players who wanted to use new stuff they golden opportunity to do so. But most of them will want direct replacements for their best weapons because they're too stupid to realise that a gun can have the same stats and perks as another they're bored with. Destiny is a game far closer to Halo than Diablo and Borderlands so I don't know why players seem to think it can have variety on that level.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Jul 23, 2020 16:48:02 GMT -5
Bungie just announced that Destiny 2 will be available on XBox gamepass starting in September, including all expansions, Forsaken, Shadowkeep, and the delayed new Y4 Beyond Light (Seasonal content are not included). Pegasus Actual maybe you can get your XBox to work again
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Aug 7, 2020 11:08:54 GMT -5
wittyscorpion, I will admit that having watched that Xbox conference live, Destiny 2 going to GamePass was just about the only interesting thing they showed. I think I have about 2 years left on my Game Pass. So assuming I stick with my plan of buying the consoles when they come out, the path of least resistance would be to play on the Series X. I could skip the expansion on PC for now and migrate back whenever they finally ship a proper cross-play solution. A couple of issues with that. I'm not currently playing D2... and am putting all my grinding time into Elite... where I've just about done all the boring work and can now actually enjoy the endgame such as it is. And Microsoft and Sony are playing this weird game of pricing chicken. Nobody wants to announce their MSRP. I'm not sure if they're looking to undercut each other, or they just know their boxes are going to be expensive and want to meet each other at $600+. Every day they don't announce and put up pre-orders makes me less and less interested in the consoles. If it comes down to it I will prioritize a new video card upgrade over the consoles as every dollar I put into my PC tends to pay off.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Aug 11, 2020 20:18:16 GMT -5
Totally understood, Destiny is one of those games that once you stop playing, it is very difficult to restart again . It also wants to monopolize all of your game play time if you want to play the most interesting stuff... On the next gen console front: honestly speaking, with the PC/XBox dual support direction MSFT is going, it is harder and harder for PC gamers to justify getting an XBox. Whatever "exclusive" games they put on XBox will most likely be available on PC sooner or later as well (see Halo MCC), and game pass owners can play them (at least the base game without season pass / DLC etc.) pretty much free on both platforms. In addition: PC gamers can also enjoy the community creation of game mods. The only benefit of console over PC these days is probably the peace of mind of not having to worry too much about cheaters in multiplayer, and that's not much of an advantage at all when it comes to Destiny.
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Post by wings on Nov 29, 2021 21:18:44 GMT -5
Dead game
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