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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 17, 2010 19:35:29 GMT -5
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Damage is displayed for one bullet hitting a target at either near or far distance. See Den's Chart for details on specifics about the ranges. Magnum is the specialization that adds a 25% boost in damage. Shots to Kill is the number of bullets needed to hit either the enemy's body to kill. Ceramic Body Armor multiplies player health by 1.25. If you are using Magnum Ammo against a Ceramic Body Armor player, look at the Normal columns for Shots to Kill and Time to Kill. Time to Kill is in seconds and is the amount of time it would take all the required shots to kill to be fired into the target. The lower the better.
Charts updated to Den's stats as of 6/30/2010. |
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Post by snakex on Mar 27, 2010 8:30:53 GMT -5
USAS and SAIGA are incorrect  |
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 27, 2010 17:18:34 GMT -5
The Semi Auto Snipers and USAS and SAIGA should get the boost, according to my sources.
I'll fix that in a bit...
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Post by zuluzuluzulu on Mar 27, 2010 17:33:10 GMT -5
When did the M16 get a bump in damage to be in line with the AUG, XM8 and M416?
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 27, 2010 17:44:05 GMT -5
And done:  M16 and friends got adjusted at release. Before the release and around it Den had up the stats from the BETA. |
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Post by snakex on Mar 27, 2010 19:24:38 GMT -5
USAS and RAIGA still incorrect on my working chart they deliver 49max dmg and 40 min dmg.
it´s an 2HK on any range with magnum
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 27, 2010 22:20:53 GMT -5
According to Den's charts, they do 31 at distance...
31 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 48.4375
That 31 multiplied by a 1.25 body multiplier and 1.25 for Magnum isn't over 50 so 3 shots.
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Post by dweeeeb on Mar 27, 2010 22:31:24 GMT -5
Also are we sure about the pistols getting x1.25 on consoles? Den mentions automatics only?
Great chart BTW
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 27, 2010 22:33:49 GMT -5
See the top of Den's BF2 Page:
They all are 2.1x headshot multipliers so...
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Post by Den on Mar 27, 2010 23:42:14 GMT -5
See the top of Den's BF2 Page: They all are 2.1x headshot multipliers so... Not so fast! Testing by snakex has confirmed suspicions that the Material "Protection Multiplier" of the bullet against Soldier Body is 1.25x. Going by the numbers of a 1.25x chart, those enhanced bullets would only have a relative 1.68x headshot multiplier. |
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 28, 2010 0:31:15 GMT -5
So the multiplier for the body counts in the multiplier for the head then?
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Post by Den on Mar 28, 2010 2:09:19 GMT -5
The damage increase is only for the body.
The actual weapon damage is unchanged, so the headshot is still 2.1x, but that's based on the original damage.
If based on the damage after the update, the headshot is technically only 1.68x.
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Post by Aphoristic on Mar 28, 2010 10:32:19 GMT -5
Head:  Body:  Should be all correct now. |
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Post by aysion on Apr 2, 2010 21:42:37 GMT -5
I think your head damage charts are broken  |
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Post by Aphoristic on Apr 3, 2010 16:11:03 GMT -5
I think your head damage charts are broken Broken as in can't load them? They are loading...? Broken as in incorrect? I don't see anything incorrect...? |
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Post by blablabity on Apr 4, 2010 11:23:56 GMT -5
You all want to know a secret? You want to pick the weapon with the best time to kill, but be a pessimist about it. Go with the best time to kill far away on the body on someone with body armor. The exception is if you use magnum ammo. Then you want to go with the weapon that has the fastest time to kill far away "normal" on the chart because that is the worst case scenario since magnum ammo and body armor balance out.
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Post by aysion on Apr 4, 2010 12:34:41 GMT -5
I think your head damage charts are broken Broken as in can't load them? They are loading...? Broken as in incorrect? I don't see anything incorrect...? Oh sorry, they weren't working at the moment of that post. Glad to see them there again  |
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Post by Protolisk on Apr 4, 2010 19:14:12 GMT -5
You all want to know a secret? You want to pick the weapon with the best time to kill, but be a pessimist about it. Go with the best time to kill far away on the body on someone with body armor. The exception is if you use magnum ammo. Then you want to go with the weapon that has the fastest time to kill far away "normal" on the chart because that is the worst case scenario since magnum ammo and body armor balance out. I see......... so the M60? |
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Post by SheWolf on Apr 5, 2010 1:23:44 GMT -5
sooo this 1,25x for body hits...does that applie for pc now too? and if so, also in hc?
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Post by Aphoristic on Apr 5, 2010 16:22:57 GMT -5
sooo this 1,25x for body hits...does that applie for pc now too? and if so, also in hc? Last I heard it is supposed to be in PC. And it would apply in HC. I should make a separate chart for HC... |
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Post by SheWolf on Apr 5, 2010 17:24:45 GMT -5
just tested it with a friend in HC: m60 on long range kills with 3 body hits, with magnum with 2 body hits. so apearently change only for FluffyCore?
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Post by Den on Apr 5, 2010 17:31:26 GMT -5
PC still does not have "25%".
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Post by ZeroKelvin^ on Apr 6, 2010 14:24:24 GMT -5
I can only say people can't aim if they need the 25% after having all unlocks.
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Post by nick on Apr 11, 2010 3:53:04 GMT -5
Aim doesn't have anything to do with it
The game sucky hit registration and lag would benefit from 25% damage increase
It would reduce the insane amount of "WTF I should have killed him" moments
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Post by individual on Apr 13, 2010 23:00:24 GMT -5
Aphoristic, could you check the USAS-12 again? I was playing with a friend earlier on regular (not hardcore) Conquest. We were on separate teams. I had the USAS-12 w/ slugs and magnum ammo.
I hit him twice (two hit markers) and then he killed me. The killcam said he had 3% health. He said he didn't take damage before that and he wasn't wearing body armor.
Doing 97% damage would seem to suggest that either magnum ammo doesn't work or the effect drops out at some point (because it does 48.8 damage w/o magnum ammo). I would guess the latter, because the USAS-12 was a 2-shot kill up close, but when I damaged my friend he was at fairly long range.
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Post by turdferguson on Apr 14, 2010 1:06:54 GMT -5
I hit him twice and then he killed me...Doing 97% damage would seem to suggest that either magnum ammo doesn't work or the effect drops out at some point. Or you somehow hit him through cover. Many things could potentially slightly reduce damage, such as foliage. I want to say thank you to aphoristic for making these charts. I find them very useful, and I am sure that many other people do, too. |
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Post by kingnick365 on Apr 21, 2010 19:41:41 GMT -5
I am also grateful. I was just wondering t\if you will be updating this chart due to the recent update that took place today .
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Post by jackson on Apr 21, 2010 20:15:39 GMT -5
I am also grateful. I was just wondering t\if you will be updating this chart due to the recent update that took place today . It hasn't hit consoles yet. Though I've updated my personal Excel file with Den's numbers converted for the console in preparation. |
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Post by Aphoristic on Apr 21, 2010 20:17:59 GMT -5
As requested... Head:  Body:  |
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Post by zuluzuluzulu on Apr 21, 2010 22:43:51 GMT -5
Thank you very much for the update!
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