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Post by crazylad10 on Dec 25, 2008 7:16:56 GMT -5
hey den,
out of all of the smg's which one if them is best for CQB on all the maps on WaW.
at the moment i'm picking between the tommy and type-100 so which one is better or is one of the others better.
cheers den. and the webby is brilliant mate
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Post by Den on Dec 25, 2008 7:50:37 GMT -5
Going purely by TKG - Time to Kill a Guy - ignoring chance factors like missing or headshots:
Thompson and Type 100
40 damage ; 0.08 Fire Time
0.08 seconds to fire the second shot to kill with Power
0.12 seconds to fire the third shot to kill with Double Tap
0.16 seconds to fire the third shot to kill
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MP40
40 damage PC, 50 damage XBox ; 0.112 Fire Time
0.084 seconds with Double Tap on consoles
0.112 seconds with Power or on consoles
0.168 seconds for the third shot with Double Tap
0.224 seconds for the third shot to kill
PPSh-41
22 damage ; 0.048 Fire Time
0.144 seconds, four with stopping power or five with Double Tap
0.192 seconds for five shots
The fastest-killing weapons are the Type100 and Thompson, with an indistinguishable difference between them and the console-version of the MP40 using Double Tap. Given the kick and all that, the Thompson and Type100 come out on top over the MP40.
PPSh is much better at sending a tight stream of bullets towards a guy far away. Head-on, it would be clobbered by the other SMGs.
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Post by Vis on Dec 25, 2008 7:52:22 GMT -5
Type 100 makes the Tommy redundant with its slightly larger magazine.
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 8:06:55 GMT -5
I don't agree with that at all... The Type 100 I can't hit at range at all, and for me only works if the enemy is standing right in front of me... The Tommy Gun works much better for me in range, I can get headshots, I feel like the recoil is less and its more accurate...
I dunno what the stats say, but for me the TommyGun is better..
Continued on.
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 8:58:50 GMT -5
I think if the stats are the same, then maybe the ironsights are better for me on the Tommygun, I can see clearer and maybe that's why I use it. I also feel like it's easier to aim... maybe with the Mouse it makes no difference but on the console it does, at least for me.
The deeper penetration gives it a assault rifle potential, and the riflebullet one makes it better to mow down the enemy...
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Post by Vis on Dec 25, 2008 8:59:43 GMT -5
Or... It's just placebo.
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 9:07:58 GMT -5
Well that placebo has me #1 in Kills in War gametype GLOBAL on the Xbox 360, with a 5.25 K/D Ratio.  |
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Post by leucitanious on Dec 25, 2008 13:20:43 GMT -5
Well that placebo has me #1 in Kills in War gametype GLOBAL on the Xbox 360, with a 5.25 K/D Ratio. Players going for kills within an objective based game mode have little difficulty retaining an exceptionally high kdr. Not to mention the ittle relevance your KDR has to this thread. Regardless, I have to agree, for all around combat I prefer the PPsh, however I also feel that in real CQC situations the PPsh is definitely inferior to either the type 100 or Thompson. Primarily because in CQC situations the spreed of bullets matters much less, therefore making time to kill the most relevant statistic for this thread. |
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 17:29:45 GMT -5
I was posting a reply to the sarcastic reply by vic. That's what a sarcastic reply deserves.
I'm #1 on the 360 in WAR and war, you are saying is an objective based gametype. That's why if you come play me I will beat you every time, because you don't understand war.
The war game type has a lot to do with kills, as you gain momentum with kill streaks enabling you to capture objectives at up to 3 times the speed the normal capture rate.
So don't hate on me cause I'm very adept at this game, and don't try to tell me what war is about, cause cause I will school you at war.
I'll have respect for you if have respect for me, but don't expect any respect if you, who has never played me, is making a massive assumption on my game, and my style, by my K/D, like I'm hiding or something and not gaining the objectives. That is wrong and I felt insulted by that assumption.
Don't ever assume...
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Post by Vis on Dec 25, 2008 17:34:16 GMT -5
Le sigh.
Typical console player.
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 17:39:36 GMT -5
Typical console player? whatever dude... typical douchebag....
You don't even know me... wtf you talking bout'
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 17:44:18 GMT -5
I think if the stats are the same, then maybe the ironsights are better for me on the Tommygun, I can see clearer and maybe that's why I use it. I also feel like it's easier to aim... maybe with the Mouse it makes no difference but on the console it does, at least for me. The deeper penetration gives it a assault rifle potential, and the riflebullet one makes it better to mow down the enemy... Tommygun is gangster Note to self... I made a intelligent observation, looking for a second reason why the weapon aims much better on console at long distances, if it is indeed true that they are statistically the same, taking into account visibility and bullet penetration through walls and players... Note to self.... you did ok... they just hating... |
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 25, 2008 18:18:36 GMT -5
Another observation I can make, again I'm speaking about the console where it's much harder to aim, is that the Tommygun has a different Kick and center view thatn the Type 100...
Maybe there is a actual statistic difference on the console, but from my observation the Type 100 has a more random kick, kicking to the left and right and diagonal with frequency, similar to the MP40.
The Tommygun however behaves more like the G36c, where it seems to only kick up, and stays steady in the center. I will test this, maybe there is a big difference on the console, because there is no question to me that the Tommygun is better for the 20m to 40m range than the Type 100...
If you are simply looking at the rate of fire and the damage, well yeah, they are the same, but that's about it...
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Post by leucitanious on Dec 25, 2008 20:02:00 GMT -5
I was posting a reply to the sarcastic reply by vic. That's what a sarcastic reply deserves. I'm #1 on the 360 in WAR and war, you are saying is an objective based gametype. That's why if you come play me I will beat you every time, because you don't understand war. The war game type has a lot to do with kills, as you gain momentum with kill streaks enabling you to capture objectives at up to 3 times the speed the normal capture rate. So don't hate on me cause I'm very adept at this game, and don't try to tell me what war is about, cause cause I will school you at war. I'll have respect for you if have respect for me, but don't expect any respect if you, who has never played me, is making a massive assumption on my game, and my style, by my K/D, like I'm hiding or something and not gaining the objectives. That is wrong and I felt insulted by that assumption. Don't ever assume... You sir, have just enveloped yourself in hypocrisy  "So don't hate on me cause I'm very adept at this game, and don't try to tell me what war is about, cause cause I will school you at war." Are those not also assumptions? I could be WTFOWNAGE at war, but alas, I'm not. And neither did I challenge your e-weiner so chillax. |
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Post by dog on Dec 25, 2008 20:05:44 GMT -5
Typical console player? whatever dude... typical douchebag.... You don't even know me... wtf you talking bout' Chill dude, true bros don't attack each other. Keep the heat down, it's getting hot in here.  |
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Post by jnsimex on Dec 25, 2008 23:31:14 GMT -5
I have to give the tommy gun another go if it is helping you maintain that insanely high KDR.
It pretty much disappeared from my classes once I go the type 100 due to them having the same stats but then I do play on a console so who really knows.
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Post by i8 on Dec 26, 2008 4:11:55 GMT -5
i take offense to the console gamer remark however i think someone needs 2 quit bragging i do agree with his conjecture on the possibility of a difference between the tommy and type 100 on 360 though
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Post by crazylad10 on Dec 26, 2008 9:09:16 GMT -5
We've got our first non-True Bro. i did write it lol, just not it red i i wrote it in the wrong place lol |
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 26, 2008 10:08:51 GMT -5
Players going for kills within an objective based game mode have little difficulty retaining an exceptionally high kdr. This is what you said dude; this is what ticked me off. Come play me and see how little difficulty you will have if you "go for kills" in the WAR game against me, because according to you, you will have "little difficulty" in staying alive while killing us alot... You were saying that I "go for kills" in WAR, taking advantage of it being and objective game type, and that it has been easy for me to have a good K/D, because I "go for kills"... This is an insult to me and you are assuming things about how I play... I don't agree with you, so I'm gonna call you out on it... If you are used to bulling people around or making them feel bad in the "community" with your slick clever remarks, and noone calls you out on it, then you ran ran into someone you can't bully... I dunno how that's going for you, "being clever", but don't tell me what I can and can't say, and don't tell me that what I have accomplished is easy, that it's not difficult, so basically being the best WAR player in the 360 is just in me "going for kills" like you know who I am and how I play... You chill, 'aight, and whenerver you want to die continuously, come play me... |
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Post by jnsimex on Dec 26, 2008 10:20:41 GMT -5
*sit down and grabs some popcorn*
It must a be a 360 thing but on the PS3, I cannot see the leaderboards for game types....we only have the global leaderboards for kills, score and wins...did the PS3 did the shaft again?
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 26, 2008 10:31:36 GMT -5
I have to give the tommy gun another go if it is helping you maintain that insanely high KDR. It pretty much disappeared from my classes once I go the type 100 due to them having the same stats but then I do play on a console so who really knows. Try using it like an assault rifle at times, but single shoot it, with a drum clip... With the 100 single shooting seems to be harder on console, than the tommy gun... If someone is hiding behind a wall with their heads sticking out, aim at a distance and pull the trigger and let go to shoot single shots fast, and you'll pick them off very quickly... I'm sorry if I sounded like I was bragging when I say'd that I am #1 in WAR, but I was trying to portray that I know what I'm talking about, I'm not some random saying this, I play this game alot, maybe too much, and I know that it's not just some placebo effect... For me the Tommygun has different kick than the type 100, but maybe it's just the iron sights like I say'd... This is why we should do testing... I've been wrong before... I thought the MP40 didn't have 50 dmg, I checked it did, and I said I was wrong, and we got it right... that's all... |
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 26, 2008 10:34:24 GMT -5
*sit down and grabs some popcorn* It must a be a 360 thing but on the PS3, I cannot see the leaderboards for game types....we only have the global leaderboards for kills, score and wins...did the PS3 did the shaft again? Yes sir, here we can see the leaders for each game type, the wins, score, service report and kills, for each game type and overall stats... |
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Post by zombie on Dec 26, 2008 15:41:00 GMT -5
You're seriously #1 in kills for War? Man, I gotta play with you once I get my mike fixed.
Message me if you wanna play. (On the forums)
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 26, 2008 19:10:17 GMT -5
yes sir. Been playing it since the first day every day and my game type is war for sure. I love the concept of momentum, and how they do a chant at times 3 etc... it's fun and intense...
I have a unit called the Doomsday Unit, it's ROADxBLOCK (Machinegunner), Bl4Ck IcEx (Assault), IcExMaN and SNAKE EYES Small Arms, FlipSIde (Flame Thrower), and me Special Ops... We also have a couple on speculation, like this girl Keilyn (Sniper)...
I play with the first 2 most of the time and the others sometimes.
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Post by Vis on Dec 26, 2008 23:02:17 GMT -5
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Small-arms?
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Post by crazylad10 on Dec 27, 2008 4:29:01 GMT -5
thx for all ur help den, got back to the thompson now with the round drum, so thank u m8
you really are my bro, bro
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Post by bpmachete on Dec 27, 2008 10:35:37 GMT -5
;D
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Post by jnsimex on Dec 27, 2008 19:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by Tapap on Dec 27, 2008 22:42:10 GMT -5
yes sir. Been playing it since the first day every day and my game type is war for sure. I love the concept of momentum, and how they do a chant at times 3 etc... it's fun and intense... I have a unit called the Doomsday Unit, it's ROADxBLOCK (Machinegunner), Bl4Ck IcEx (Assault), IcExMaN and SNAKE EYES Small Arms, FlipSIde (Flame Thrower), and me Special Ops... We also have a couple on speculation, like this girl Keilyn (Sniper)... I play with the first 2 most of the time and the others sometimes. about time some1 got some idea on how to play. on cod4 we had a good setup but on w@w every1 seems to b out for themselves. that should keep any flag clear. of course u have the trillion nades going in. |
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Post by j4k3th3r1pp3r on Jan 4, 2009 14:00:39 GMT -5
Hey bp, just thought I'd like to put out there that i have never seen your name in the top 15 leaderborads on WaW for War. I may be mistaken, and just not remember. I will have checked by the end of the night and I will post again. If you are not in the top 15 ( the first players you see when you hit top of list on global ) then I think that I, along with everyone else in this online community, will lose a massive amount of respect for you. And before anyone points out he could have gone down alot of ranks, that would be extremely hard. considering the top 15 are almost always separated by thousands of kills. P.S. I like War also, and i was ranked 2500 something before I got gears 2. My account name on this is also my GT so send me an add if you want.
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