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Post by onikage on Dec 22, 2010 10:43:27 GMT -5
Step 1: Select Engineer. Use the PPSH with magnum ammo. LW pack is recommended, but not required. Step 2: Run around like crazy. Cover is for the weak. Never stop running, no matter what. Step 3: If you see anyone, move your reticle over their torso (aiming for head will waste valuable time) and then hold down the left mouse button. It is very important that you not take your finger off the left mouse button. It is equally important that you not touch the right mouse button at all during this process. It will only slow you down. Step 4: Return to Step 2.
Follow these simple steps, and you will always come out on top of the scoreboards in BC2:Vietnam, because BC2:Vietnam is freaking retarded.
It may sound like I'm joking. I only wish I were.
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Post by novem on Dec 22, 2010 15:21:06 GMT -5
And the whining begins. Its slighty different from Bc2 vanilla, so a lot of ppl think ist just like Cod. They're wrong. And your steps are for ppl who think the same as you. For the rest thwy are useless.
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Post by onikage on Dec 22, 2010 15:57:10 GMT -5
Pretty sure I didn't mention COD at all. Interesting that you read that into what I wrote.
Those steps work. That's the point. This is all that I've done for most of the day, since I figured out how the new guns worked, and I am racking up the ace pins. This BS doesn't work in BC2, it does work in Vietnam. It shouldn't work...but it does. Dig?
DICE surmised that most of their players cannot aim with iron sights, so they made a game where you do not need to aim over the sights to hit anything. Is it whining to point out the fact that that's what has happened here? Let's consult a dictionary.
Whining, n. 1. Criticism that I disagree with.
Oh. Well I guess it is whining. Good call bro.
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Post by novem on Dec 22, 2010 16:43:25 GMT -5
Oh come on, it's like the second or third forum i read people crying about higher dmg weapons (whch in their minds is equll to game being arcade) or nadespam. Nadespam is present in 90% of todays games, and writing about not aiming through iron sights is a good advice for 5m distances. You may not like the game, but stop posting bs. Okay, the recoil could and should be higher, but its not the reason to say the game is retarded. Wait a week or two, patches will fix it.
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Post by onikage on Dec 22, 2010 19:12:11 GMT -5
Nadespam? Where did that come from? You keep on arguing against things I never said. What's up with that?
A for hip firing being limited to close ranges, we must not be talking about the same game. Seriously. Try it. It's absurd how accurate these guns are without using the sights.
Maybe you're right, maybe DICE will fix all of this nonsense. Until it's fixed, that's exactly what Vietnam is. Nonsense.
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Post by bladerock on Dec 22, 2010 20:22:16 GMT -5
Your complaint is easily applied to the regular game.
Replace Engineer with Medic and PPH with M60. There you go.
Or, if you are feeling fancy, stay as an engineer and use the AKS-74u.
Most blue guys just play like that.
I haven't noticed any differences in the playing patterns of the blue guys and my own tactics have changed little. You are just seeing things.
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Post by onikage on Dec 22, 2010 21:30:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is a reading comprehension issue or a game knowledge issue...but no, my criticism could not be applied to the M60 in vanilla BC2. Are you serious?
The hip fire accuracy of LMGs is terrible, and it's even worse while moving. The M60 does nowhere near as much damage as virtually any gun in Vietnam. The AKS is one of the weaker SMGs in the core game, and doesn't have particularly good unscoped or moving accuracy. I'm puzzled, because none of the things you're saying match up to facts. What are you talking about?
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Post by Protolisk on Dec 22, 2010 22:13:20 GMT -5
I'm gonna try this
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Post by bladerock on Dec 22, 2010 22:49:21 GMT -5
I'm talking about the fact that you are complaining over the fact that randoms are cheesing their way through the game. It is a non-issue and not really worth getting worked up over.
I'll tell you one thing: I used to hipfire spray everyone with the M60 in the regular BC2 game. You can check my stats online and marvel at my 200+ M60 kills with 9% accuracy...
I got better and so will a lot of them.
To me, it seems like you are complaining about... people not knowing how to play the game?
Randoms will always cheese it up. I remember everyone using nothing but the M16, AKS, M60, M95 and 1911 back a few months ago. Even after they were nerfed, that was all you saw.
People will just use whatever the bars tell them is strongest. Not to mention that the PPSH is the most stylish out of the SMGs. The Mac looks like something Joe average built in his backyard out of scratch and the Uzi is just an Uzi. I can see why it is popular, and it is not superiority.
But since you used the 'reading comprehension' card, I will just comment on your post directly.
Step 1: Select Engineer. Use the PPSH with magnum ammo. LW pack is recommended, but not required.
PPSH is a nerfed G3, an all class weapon in the main game. Or a bumped Scar-l, with about 5 more points of damage per bullet.
Considering that the weapons it is competing against are also upgraded versions of other SMGs. It doesn't feel like it is all that out of place.
You are complaining about LW here? Think about it for a second: LW pack, pretty much the worse thing you can put in your perk slot.
As for Magnum ammo... do you mean to tell me you don't pretty much use it for everything? unless i need improved explosives to take care of vehicles, magnum ammo stays put.
Step 2: Run around like crazy. Cover is for the weak. Never stop running, no matter what. If you run around like crazy, when do you stop to do the objective? unless you are talking about team deathmatch, where i will give kudos to whomever runs around instead of tactical loitering in a bush.
Randoms who run around getting kills rarely contribute anything to the objective based games, and their team will often loose.
Cover has barely ever worked. The only reason you move through cover is to avoid being seen in the open or to camp out an objective for priority targets.
Step 3: If you see anyone, move your reticle over their torso (aiming for head will waste valuable time) and then hold down the left mouse button. It is very important that you not take your finger off the left mouse button. It is equally important that you not touch the right mouse button at all during this process. It will only slow you down.
My Assault set-up has a x4 scope on an M416 and i constantly hipfire spray whenever targets are within a certain distance. Scoping in is a waste of time within this learned range where it slows down your ability to get a kill by the amount of time it takes you to Scope in/ADS (which i will call killzone, simply because i have no idea as to what it is officially called and i don't want to repeat the long explanation everytime i refer to this)
Scoping/ADSing in is even more of a waste with CQC if you are using an SMG, as their hipfire is superb.
LMGs have a reduced killzone for spraying, but they can still do it, heck, even snipers have this.
You can take this a step further, burst fire from the hip and get kills at a decent range when using assault rifles and SMGs. Full auto firing also works, but it eats up more ammo. Precious ammo you will need to ensure that this style of play works.
This has all been the same pretty much since the game came out. It took me a while to stumble upon this through trial and error and i may be wrong. But i almost entirely stopped using sights at close to mid ranges when using full auto guns long before Vietnam came out.
I would suggest you try learning these 'killzones' (or whatever their actual names are). You will get kills while your opponent is fumbling around with his optics.
Step 4: Return to Step 2.
Yes, because running around and ignoring the objective is how you win in Battlefield.
Follow these simple steps, and you will always come out on top of the scoreboards in BC2:Vietnam, because BC2:Vietnam is freaking retarded.
The objective is crying because it was ignored all game. Please, think of the objective.
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Post by niteshadex on Dec 22, 2010 22:56:11 GMT -5
Same deal on console. AK47/PPSh+Lightweight and Magnum ammo. These guys are total kill whoring tools. I like how they can only kill me if my back is turned, I'm reviving a teamate, or I'm healing a tank.
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Post by fazzmania on Dec 23, 2010 11:15:15 GMT -5
...So it's just like every other game where people can get kills with hipfiring SMGs? What's new?
The only gun that is actually overpowered right now is the M40 because of the 45 metre 1HK range with magnum. Otherwise balance is pretty decent, although I would like to see more guns overall.
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Post by onikage on Dec 23, 2010 12:55:00 GMT -5
PPSH is a nerfed G3, an all class weapon in the main game. Or a bumped Scar-l, with about 5 more points of damage per bullet. I pretty much stopped reading here. Try reading more of the stats than just fire rate and damge.
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Post by bladerock on Dec 23, 2010 15:31:12 GMT -5
And the fact that you stopped reading at the very beginning means you missed my point. However, my post can wait until i elaborate upon something i had assumed you knew. Note how every SMG, outside of the Mac10 and PP2000, has the same spread. The stat that determines hipfire, as recoil only controls the movement of your sights when scoped in. Also note how the PPSH covers exactly the same niche as the UMP. Just like the Uzi covers the same niche as the old uzi and the Mac is slightly more unique, in that it seems to be closer to the 1000 RPM PP2000 than it's uzi cousin but lacks the additional fire rate. Throwing it somewhere between the two, instead of being analogous. Also of note: The Tommy is an all class weapon that kills in one more bullet at close range. But it has lighter recoil while sighted and a slightly bigger magazine. Edit: better table.
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Post by Aphoristic on Dec 25, 2010 21:10:03 GMT -5
I like Rapid Fire M14. The 20 round Mag and low recoil is great. Best gun to fight Body Armor w/o magnum.
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Post by novem on Dec 26, 2010 4:38:02 GMT -5
20 round mag can be a pain, you need frequent reloads. Also the highest spread and spray- not so good for cqc.
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Post by Protolisk on Dec 26, 2010 6:24:04 GMT -5
I really like the M1 garand, Problem is I can't seem to hit anyone long range, where it should excel at. I put the sights on them and then nothing. So I just use it close range
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Post by turdferguson on Dec 27, 2010 23:09:14 GMT -5
Are you standing completely still when shooting? Otherwise, your gun isn't 100% accurate (because of the zmov variable). Not many people seem to realize this. The garand especially suffers from loss of accuracy when moving, too, with a zmov of 2.0, high recoil, and semi-auto action.
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Post by Protolisk on Dec 31, 2010 18:58:33 GMT -5
Are you standing completely still when shooting? Otherwise, your gun isn't 100% accurate (because of the zmov variable). Not many people seem to realize this. The garand especially suffers from loss of accuracy when moving, too, with a zmov of 2.0, high recoil, and semi-auto action. hmm I'm not sure I think I was standing still trying to snipe people with it, but I can't be exactly sure I wasn't moving.
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Post by glshane on Jan 25, 2011 20:40:07 GMT -5
lol, I tried this. It worked pretty well, though I was going for objectives and didn't care too much about kills. I'm not sure what the rant is all about. Why shouldn't hip firing and moving quickly about the map be a part of the game? It's not like you can't still snipe or camp all day if that's your thing.
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Feb 28, 2011 23:20:06 GMT -5
Step 1: Select Engineer. Use the PPSH with magnum ammo. LW pack is recommended, but not required. Step 2: Run around like crazy. Cover is for the weak. Never stop running, no matter what. Step 3: If you see anyone, move your reticle over their torso (aiming for head will waste valuable time) and then hold down the left mouse button. It is very important that you not take your finger off the left mouse button. It is equally important that you not touch the right mouse button at all during this process. It will only slow you down. Step 4: Return to Step 2. Follow these simple steps, and you will always come out on top of the scoreboards in BC2:Vietnam, because BC2:Vietnam is freaking retarded. It may sound like I'm joking. I only wish I were. Okay, I tried this, and it worked. Running around like a maniac but still trying to work towards getting that objective is a miracle drug for me. I'm not sure if I should try this on Vanilla Bad Company though.
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