SVT40 or G43

[iKONIG]

I'm stumped on which one to use. And may i ask Mr. den, is there any minor difference between them besides the iron sights and the grenade launcher (N00B TUBE) movement speed, bigger/smaller sights etc.

but right now I'm going with the SVT!!

WHOOP WHOOP!!

P.S i took MR. zombie's advice and did a spell check

[Den]

Nothing except reload speed, different attachments and ironsights.

[iKONIG]

Nah im using the SVT40, since everyone uses the g43 because they think its more accurate. ahh... poor little peasants, there like little lost soles

NOT!!!!!!!!!! LOL

THANX DEN

[Vis]

You must be pretty daft to have your soles fall off your feet.

[Tapap]

i like the SVT40's iron sights.
For some reason when both have apprature sight equiped it does feel like the SVt40 has a little more upward motion than the G43. Just the animation I think. Both are very good. M1 Grand=poop

[kilo]

G43 > SVT40 because of one factor. Suppressor > flash hider. G43 is the only rifle with a suppresor and it makes a huge difference.

[iKONIG]

flash hider = suppreser

SVT40 is more user friendly (lol) with iron sights

any way i love the sound that SVT40 makes with da aperture sight.

[kilo]

flash hider isn't as quiet

[shadz]

I prefer SVT cos I prefer the iron sights and I often take the flash hider.
Also when I use Aperture I like a bit of kick.

[iKONIG]

yeah makes u feel like rambo

[shadz]

No it just makes it feel more comfortable for shooting at moving targets...

[defcon]

I'm pretty sure the G43 has less recoil. When I shoot the G43, the gun feels flat, with the SVT it seems there's a littttttle hop.

Besides, M1A1 > Both

[Den]

The G43 and SVT-40 have identical recoil; though, the SVT-40's kick animation makes the weapon jump back (which doesn't affect accuracy).

[defcon]

Jan 16, 2009 3:46:00 GMT -5 Den said:

The G43 and SVT-40 have identical recoil; though, the SVT-40's kick animation makes the weapon jump back (which doesn't affect accuracy).

But it would effect players sight though, right? Like if you're shooting at a far target, the kick animation distorts your vision of the target.

[Den]

The animation would affect the user, but not the weapon.
Overcoming the illusion, the two have no difference in shooting.

[shadz]

That's good to know actually, I always thought it was like the M14 recoil where you shot and the recoil took it much higher.

lol I still haven't even reached PTRS, and I got the game in November.

[adw1983]

Jan 16, 2009 19:48:35 GMT -5 shadz said:

That's good to know actually, I always thought it was like the M14 recoil where you shot and the recoil took it much higher.

It's like the AK47 recoil which where you shoot and the recoil doesn't do squat

[imrlybord7]

shadz, you should not be on this website if you haven't reached 57 no prestige in 4 months. You either never play or suck something fierce.

[PHALCONPUNCH]

Feb 25, 2009 20:46:00 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

shadz, you should not be on this website if you haven't reached 57 no prestige in 4 months. You either never play or suck something fierce.

He has every right to be on this site. Maybe he plays CoD4, which is better anyway.

[shadz]

I don't play WaW much. IE, I've not even hit 65 no prestige yet

I play COD4 more, I have a spare account with a 4.5 kill death ratio so I obviously don't suck.

[imrlybord7]

My apologies.

[ssog]

Jan 16, 2009 14:58:02 GMT -5 Den said:

The animation would affect the user, but not the weapon.
Overcoming the illusion, the two have no difference in shooting.

It's not just an illusion, though. At longer ranges, the upwards kick of the gun will obscure your target, making it harder for you to quickly aim a second shot, especially if the target is mobile. Calling that an illusion is sort of like calling any disadvantage from the Type99's iron sights an "illusion", since it technically aims just fine. Granted, it's not nearly as big of a hindrance as the Type99's irons, but anything that obscures my view of a potential target is a very real drawback.

I prefer the Gewher because it's quieter, because the Suppressor *IS* better than the Flash Hider (making it even quieter still), because it reloads a hair faster, and because it's less likely to obscure my view of the target. All of those are admittedly tiny advantages, but add up a lot of tiny advantages and you get a noticeable difference.

Feb 25, 2009 20:46:00 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

shadz, you should not be on this website if you haven't reached 57 no prestige in 4 months. You either never play or suck something fierce.

I'm at level 28 after a month and a half of playing. It's a combination of never playing *and* sucking something fierce (although in my defense, I have a positive k:d ratio on CoD4, so a lot of that sucking just has to do with not being familiar with the maps or the weapons).

With all of that said, I have every bit as much of a right to be on this website as you do. More, probably, since it seems I could certainly use whatever help I can get. For instance, it's very important for me to know that my silenced MP40 isn't getting 1-shot kills past ~20 yards on hardcore, so I don't even bother trying those long-range SMG snipes (since I might land one bullet, but certainly not two).

[imrlybord7]

Your first instinct should not be to come here. You should be playing the game. I never meant to imply that people don't have a right to use this site. BUT, it will be much more beneficial for you to just play for a while and find what guns and perks you like or don't like. The only thing you should use this site for is determining what weapons not to use, especially for 30 Health Mode, where a lot of guns become obsolete. Do not use bolt actions. If you are using a sniper scope, use the Garand. If you want a semi-auto without a sniper scope, use the Gewehr, SVT, or M1A1. The STG is good without a flash hider, which lets it get one shot kills at pretty decent range, but with a flash hider it is the slowest killing gun in the game. Do not use shotguns. Do not use the MP40 without Stopping Power. The Type 100 is better than the Thompson unless you shoot through walls very often. The PPSh is ok, amazing if it has Stopping Power. The BAR is awful due to the disgustingly low ROF. The DP-28 is outclassed by other MGs. If you are amazing at firing in two shot bursts on a gun that shoots at 937 RPM, the FG42 is great. It has SMG mobility, and it becomes a one shot kill with Stopping Power, and can be used as a full auto sniper when coupled with a Telescopic sight. The MG42 is probably the best MG overall except for mobility. The Type 99 has the lowest recoil. The M1919 has the same ROF as the Type 99 but with much higher mobility (SMG), more consistent damage (40, as opposed to 45 to 33), and higher recoil.
So to recap, in 30 Health Mode, the following guns are either obsolete or near obsolete.
Bolt Action Rifles (PTRS included)
Shotguns
Thompson
MP40 without Stopping Power
M1 Garand without Scope
STG with Flash Hider (it is easy to use but kills very slow)
DP-28
BAR

[ssog]

Mar 9, 2009 3:15:40 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Your first instinct should not be to come here. You should be playing the game. I never meant to imply that people don't have a right to use this site. BUT, it will be much more beneficial for you to just play for a while and find what guns and perks you like or don't like. The only thing you should use this site for is determining what weapons not to use, especially for 30 Health Mode, where a lot of guns become obsolete. Do not use bolt actions. If you are using a sniper scope, use the Garand. If you want a semi-auto without a sniper scope, use the Gewehr, SVT, or M1A1. The STG is good without a flash hider, which lets it get one shot kills at pretty decent range, but with a flash hider it is the slowest killing gun in the game. Do not use shotguns. Do not use the MP40 without Stopping Power. The Type 100 is better than the Thompson unless you shoot through walls very often. The PPSh is ok, amazing if it has Stopping Power. The BAR is awful due to the disgustingly low ROF. The DP-28 is outclassed by other MGs. If you are amazing at firing in two shot bursts on a gun that shoots at 937 RPM, the FG42 is great. It has SMG mobility, and it becomes a one shot kill with Stopping Power, and can be used as a full auto sniper when coupled with a Telescopic sight. The MG42 is probably the best MG overall except for mobility. The Type 99 has the lowest recoil. The M1919 has the same ROF as the Type 99 but with much higher mobility (SMG), more consistent damage (40, as opposed to 45 to 33), and higher recoil.
So to recap, in 30 Health Mode, the following guns are either obsolete or near obsolete.
Bolt Action Rifles (PTRS included)
Shotguns
Thompson
MP40 without Stopping Power
M1 Garand without Scope
STG with Flash Hider (it is easy to use but kills very slow)
DP-28
BAR

Three points. First off, I don't like playing public matches alone. I generally don't play unless my group of friends is online and able to fill up one entire team, if not an entire room. I'm online a lot when the rest of my friends aren't, which means browsing DenKirson's for 20 minutes is more useful than doing nothing.

Second off, I am more of an RPGer than a FPSer, so I gain more joy than your average CoD player from things like min/maxing, class planning, number crunching, and stat poring.

Third off, you yourself just demonstrated beautifully what kinds of advantages can be gained by doing some number crunching. All the more reason to hang out here.

[2manyholes]

Mar 9, 2009 3:15:40 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Your first instinct should not be to come here. You should be playing the game.

From another point of I wish I'd come here before I ever played the game and yes I suck something fierce. Getting killed doesn't bother me as long as I manage to get a step or step to completing a challenge. I'm about level 61 or 62 so I've been killed a whole lot.

Bolt Actions for me were a complete waste of time. I won't even begin to guess how long it took to scope my K98 but when that didn't kill in a single shot to the chest I leveled up only to find that an anti-tank gun wouldn't either. I figured somebody was hacking. Now I know why.

The STG is the only rife I've manged to complete the challenges for and I don't use it much now because I do prefer the FG42. Short range I use the 41. If it takes me a full clip to kill so be it.

2ManyHoles

[imrlybord7]

Den has said this before, so he would agree with me. No amount of stat comparing will show you what you are best with. For example, in Core with UAV Jammer, I destroy with the G36C suppressed, which is somewhat underpowered. I do better with it than I do with other, better guns, like the P90 and M4.

And FYI all bolt actions are one shot kills to the chest without Stopping Power. They become one shot kills to the stomach with Stopping Power. So you can't even interpret the stats correctly, seeing as how you said none of them were one shot kills to the chest.

[2manyholes]

Apr 1, 2009 22:38:07 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

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And FYI all bolt actions are one shot kills to the chest without Stopping Power. They become one shot kills to the stomach with Stopping Power. So you can't even interpret the stats correctly, seeing as how you said none of them were one shot kills to the chest.

I think that Den would also tell you that assumptions are the death of all stats.

What I learned from this site is that an anti-tank gun isn't any better that a scoped bolt action and that both ARE NOT always 1 shot kills. Unless I read it wrong.....It depends on where the health is set on the server.

2manyholes

[imrlybord7]

You said that you were shooting people in the chest and they weren't dying. If you were hitting them in the chest, unless they had Juggernaut and you didn't have Stopping Power, they would die.
Also, the PTRS is considerably better than the bolt actions. It idles at 4 degrees, not 6 like the bolt actions, meaning that it steadies faster and is easier to aim when not holding your breath, and it fires slightly faster than the Springfield, moderately faster than the Kar, and considerably faster than the Arisaka and Mosin Nagant.
So yeah, you manage to still have no idea what you are talking about even with this site.
And of course Den would think that assuming stats is dumb. Everyone here would. HOWEVER, even after you know all of the stats, you still might play better with a clearly inferior weapon.

[2manyholes]

Apr 2, 2009 17:18:10 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

You said that you were shooting people in the chest and they weren't dying. If you were hitting them in the chest, unless they had Juggernaut and you didn't have Stopping Power, they would die.
Also, the PTRS is considerably better than the bolt actions. It idles at 4 degrees, not 6 like the bolt actions, meaning that it steadies faster and is easier to aim when not holding your breath, and it fires slightly faster than the Springfield, moderately faster than the Kar, and considerably faster than the Arisaka and Mosin Nagant.
So yeah, you manage to still have no idea what you are talking about even with this site.
And of course Den would think that assuming stats is dumb. Everyone here would. HOWEVER, even after you know all of the stats, you still might play better with a clearly inferior weapon.

I'm very sorry I didn't know idle had anything to do with damage AFTER you hit them. I didn't have stopping power on and he was wearing camo and didn't appear on radar right after a plane. So Jug is not an issue.

Where I come from 70X1.5=105 and would be a kill unless health is set to 200 on the server. So you at least are correct your assumption that it was set to 100 is dumb.

[whole9yards24]

Mar 9, 2009 3:15:40 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Your first instinct should not be to come here. You should be playing the game. I never meant to imply that people don't have a right to use this site. BUT, it will be much more beneficial for you to just play for a while and find what guns and perks you like or don't like. The only thing you should use this site for is determining what weapons not to use, especially for 30 Health Mode, where a lot of guns become obsolete. Do not use bolt actions. If you are using a sniper scope, use the Garand. If you want a semi-auto without a sniper scope, use the Gewehr, SVT, or M1A1. The STG is good without a flash hider, which lets it get one shot kills at pretty decent range, but with a flash hider it is the slowest killing gun in the game. Do not use shotguns. Do not use the MP40 without Stopping Power. The Type 100 is better than the Thompson unless you shoot through walls very often. The PPSh is ok, amazing if it has Stopping Power. The BAR is awful due to the disgustingly low ROF. The DP-28 is outclassed by other MGs. If you are amazing at firing in two shot bursts on a gun that shoots at 937 RPM, the FG42 is great. It has SMG mobility, and it becomes a one shot kill with Stopping Power, and can be used as a full auto sniper when coupled with a Telescopic sight. The MG42 is probably the best MG overall except for mobility. The Type 99 has the lowest recoil. The M1919 has the same ROF as the Type 99 but with much higher mobility (SMG), more consistent damage (40, as opposed to 45 to 33), and higher recoil.
So to recap, in 30 Health Mode, the following guns are either obsolete or near obsolete.
Bolt Action Rifles (PTRS included)
Shotguns
Thompson
MP40 without Stopping Power
M1 Garand without Scope
STG with Flash Hider (it is easy to use but kills very slow)
DP-28
BAR

I agree that having the technical information of the weapons does help significantly in setting up classes, but even having the "best class" does not guarantee a win. Player skill and team strategy are far more important.

Den said it best:

Dec 28, 2008 20:36:52 GMT -5 Den said:

Do not die.