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Post by slobbergoat on Jun 9, 2011 1:16:48 GMT -5
Does the SPAS shoot slugs more accurately than the Neostead? It seems like the crosshairs overlap and make a perfect cross with the SPAS, while they're aways apart on the Neostead like as if you're moving.
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Post by raxcoswell on Jun 9, 2011 5:40:34 GMT -5
Not sure the graphical depiction makes a difference, both have 0.5 spread whilst sighted iirc
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Post by TheLegendaryJ on Jun 9, 2011 12:28:24 GMT -5
It doesn't matter either way. None of the three shotguns make a huge amount of difference when comparing each other.
870=SPAS=NEO
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Post by klokateer on Jun 14, 2011 11:47:54 GMT -5
as has been said, all shottys are the same.
only "better" stat is on NEO which has faster reload, which hardly matters because you're behind cover or dead.
I like the 870 because it takes up less screen space.
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Post by 418Y on Jun 14, 2011 13:41:49 GMT -5
They are not the same. They are nearly identical, but...
The 870 is tinier and gives you more field of view. The NEO2K has faster reload that I find very useful sometimes. The SPAS is the only sucking one imho, even if it looks badass.
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Post by Keralastic on Jun 14, 2011 19:40:58 GMT -5
This is probably better suited to the "Hey Den" subforum.
Me and a friend have been testing the shotguns a lot, to try to figure out if they have any actually differences. It seems so far that they have slightly different spreads, the 870 with the tightest, the Neostead with the largest, and the SPAS in the middle.
As for slugs, they all seem to have the same accuracy, but the SPAS seems to have a faster spread reset, and gains full accuracy when sighting in faster than the other two. There has to be some difference between the shotguns, just extremely subtle ones. I know for a fact that the 40mm shotgun has different spreads for each assault rifle, so maybe there's some hidden modifier for buckshot and slug spreads somewhere.
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Post by field on Jun 15, 2011 0:55:55 GMT -5
. I know for a fact that the 40mm shotgun has different spreads for each assault rifle, so maybe there's some hidden modifier for buckshot and slug spreads somewhere. For a fact?
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Post by klokateer on Jun 15, 2011 9:43:23 GMT -5
This is probably better suited to the "Hey Den" subforum. Me and a friend have been testing the shotguns a lot, to try to figure out if they have any actually differences. It seems so far that they have slightly different spreads, the 870 with the tightest, the Neostead with the largest, and the SPAS in the middle. As for slugs, they all seem to have the same accuracy, but the SPAS seems to have a faster spread reset, and gains full accuracy when sighting in faster than the other two. There has to be some difference between the shotguns, just extremely subtle ones. I know for a fact that the 40mm shotgun has different spreads for each assault rifle, so maybe there's some hidden modifier for buckshot and slug spreads somewhere. you're wrong about: SPAS and faster spread reset subtle differences between the shotguns 40mm shotgun spread difference hidden modifier for buckshot and slug spread in other words, all of it. Den gets his data from the game code. He doesn't sit in his chair for days at a time testing every weapon in the game and crunching numbers. He might do some of that testing, but not on everything. A lot of the guys here in this small community do the number crunching with the mined data that Den pulls up.
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Post by Keralastic on Jun 15, 2011 15:35:55 GMT -5
you're wrong about: SPAS and faster spread reset subtle differences between the shotguns 40mm shotgun spread difference hidden modifier for buckshot and slug spread in other words, all of it. Den gets his data from the game code. He doesn't sit in his chair for days at a time testing every weapon in the game and crunching numbers. He might do some of that testing, but not on everything. A lot of the guys here in this small community do the number crunching with the mined data that Den pulls up. I never said that anything but the 40mm shotgun spread differences were fact, I merely stated that it "seemed" that way. Try the 40mm shotgun on different assault rifles for yourself, I know there's a difference. Shoot at a wall with a 40mm on the AEK-971, then again at the same distance with one on the XM8. EDIT: I recorded a video demonstrating it: Sorry if it looks like the game is running a little slow, recording with Fraps slows my game down to a crawl, and it causes some in-game lag sometimes.
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Post by klokateer on Jun 15, 2011 16:50:24 GMT -5
I never said that anything but the 40mm shotgun spread differences were fact, I know for a fact that the 40mm shotgun has different spreads for each assault rifle, wut I merely stated that it "seemed" that way. Try the 40mm shotgun on different assault rifles for yourself, I know there's a difference. Shoot at a wall with a 40mm on the AEK-971, then again at the same distance with one on the XM8. you know there is a difference but the game code says there is not. I will believe the game code.
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Post by rubionubio on Jun 15, 2011 17:42:16 GMT -5
In order to support conjecture and "eyeball" measurements I would need to see a heatmap-esque projection with a sample size in the hundreds at the very least. I cannot say for absolute certainty that there isn't a subtle effect somewhere in the code that has escaped people, because one can never be sure without the direct word of the programmers themselves.
However, as I said above, the only way that someone could really support their case is using a mountain of gameplay data to support it incontrovertibly. Otherwise there's just the code, which is black and white and binary in nature. It either does something or it doesn't, and that's a lot easier to get behind.
This kind of shit comes up in the million red-dot v. reflex posts on every CoD forum known to mankind, and it's always the same bullshit argument about how people "tested" it and we should just believe them because they did it once, or ten times. That's not how it works people.
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Post by field on Jun 19, 2011 18:16:52 GMT -5
Yeah tbh ive shot a 40mm sgn at plenty of walls and im pretty sure its just random spread. lol.
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