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Post by raxcoswell on Jul 15, 2011 7:54:20 GMT -5
Hello bros. Some of you may remember me from the battlefield board.
I've been a consolewhore for life and now I'm getting a pc that can actually play games. Totally new to this whole world. Guess my questions are:
Do you guys use normal mice or special radical gaming mice? Ditto for keyboards. For interest level, I have expensive headphones etc, so willing to throw £££ at peripherals if some of you do it. Settings etc: no idea how the equivalent of sensitivity for pads works w/mice, or even what it is. Heard stuff about acceleration (it's bad?) And all sorts. Any advice for how to tweak this and what's good/bad would be lovely
And uh just any general tips on transitioning to pc from anyone else who's done it. What's likely to be my worst areas, what are bad habits etc.
Also, any lovely fps that are pc only that you'd like to recommend?
Thanks for your time bros
Xxx
P.s. I know this is kind of off topic here but I just don't trust anyone else's advice. Please forgive me, I know I have brought much shame and dishonour to my family.
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Post by themccannman on Jul 15, 2011 17:29:08 GMT -5
not really a PC gamer myself but i do know a little, gaming mice are nice to have, you can live without one but that is usually one of the first things people get, logitech, razer and some other companies make nice gaming mice, idk about keyboards though, i don't think people are very picky about those, headphones are always nice to have, and sensitivity and acceleration are all up to you and how you like the feel of it, from what i know most of my friends use acceleration and higher sensitivity than you would find on a normal persons PC.
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Post by stonewill on Jul 17, 2011 13:49:57 GMT -5
Acceleration isn't for me, as increase in speed when i flick around is annoying. I have a Razer mouse now, and It's lasted over 2 years, so I prefer them. The only problem you could have, is transitioning from a regular pc mouse, to a gaming one. I know when I got my Razer DeathAdder, I flung it all over the screen, and didn't know I could change the sensitivity. Once you get used to your mouse, everything is fine.
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Post by saddaminsane on Jul 17, 2011 22:15:33 GMT -5
depends on your play style. If you like to be accurate/ sniping try using average/lower sensitivity. If you like to rush and be able to react within milliseconds if someone flanks you from sides/back try higher sense. Acceleration is all dependent on the person. just make sure your keyboard is good for you, as in you won't press the wrong buttons. Headphones are always a nice plus.
going from console to PC, you might notice you die a lot faster at longer ranges since PC controls suit long range engagements much more. It is slightly easier to avoid getting shot with sudden movements such as jumping or strafing left and right.
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Post by dog on Jul 19, 2011 12:26:08 GMT -5
Any mice will do, it all grinds down on how well you swing it. Even cheap stuffs like this will get the job done perfectly. Gaming mice is just a bonus. What's more important is that your rig should be powerful enough to run the games you play with more than 60 FPS. Try not to have your FPS dip below 60 at its worst, if possible.
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Post by raxcoswell on Jul 19, 2011 13:00:47 GMT -5
yeah don't worry, I am spending way more money than I am comfortable with on this thing
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Post by atretributioner on Sept 4, 2011 3:53:00 GMT -5
You probably do not have this problem with your keyboard, but it's always nice to check. www.microsoft.com/appliedsciences/AntiGhostingExplained.mspxIf your keyboard can't simultaneously hold down all the usual combos (eg W + A + D + space + shift) then you could consider getting a better keyboard. I doubt it will be a problem though, since anti-ghosting is practically standard by now, because it makes keyboards feel broken.
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Post by mannon on Sept 4, 2011 7:55:45 GMT -5
Personally I would highly recommend nixing all forms of mouse acceleration. I can understand why some people might go with it, but here is my reasoning. One of the PC's biggest advantages over console is that the mouse input can be trained to use muscle memory to produce X result for Y input without having to rely upon your eyes and reaction time to actively halt. You can, technically do the same with a controller, but you have to be very precise in your control movement AND timing. With a mouse that doesn't have acceleration you remove the timing element and just have to reproduce the same movement every single time to achieve the same results. But if you have acceleration turned on the same movement will have to be done with the same timing to produce the same result, since the acceleration won't actually kick in until you have started moving the mouse fast enough. So then you're back to having to reproduce the same movement with the same timing of the movement to get the same result. On the other hand, without acceleration, the timing of the movement never matters at all as long as you don't lose tracking. That means you can spin exactly 180 degrees very slowly over the course of 30 seconds or make the exact same motion in 0.2 seconds and still spin 180 degrees. In my experience what this means is you can literally train yourself to make your mouse movements progressively faster and faster over time and you're really just getting a feel for how much movement equals how much rotation. Obviously practice will improve gaming even with acceleration but it can make a difference. You're also going to have to experiment and decide what kind of mouse user you are. By all means do what is comfortable and works best for you, but at least try a few things. There is a great guide on grip styles here: www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/html/advantages.phpPersonally I use a claw grip that is somewhat similar to what they describe as the fingertip grip. I use a wrist pad to immobilize my arm. And I use very very high sensitivity. (The mouse sensitivity is maxed out and while sensitivity per game is subjective, and must be adjusted. I always keep it high, but low enough to make very small adjustments, preferably pixel accurate.) My sensitivity is easily high enough to allow me to spin 360 degrees well more than 3 full times without moving my wrist or lifting the mouse... usually closer to 5 times. Yet I can still be very accurate. This style doesn't work for everybody. Lots of FPS players prefer a very low accuracy and palm their mouse, pulling the mouse over a large pad by moving their whole forearm. This style requires more physical movement and space and is slightly slower, but the speed can often be made up for by simply moving the mouse that much faster. (Note, for this style you'll want a mouse that doesn't lose tracking at very high flick speeds.) Whatever you wind up using, use it all the time. Use it for browsing websites or whatever, not just for gaming. You need to get used to it, and you need to be comfortable with it. IMO if it's not comfortable enough to use your mouse in that way 100% of the time you use your mouse, then it's not right for you. Some people would disagree and even go so far as to change grip styles from time to time. But, I wouldn't recommend changing grip styles aside from experimenting. Stick with something for a full day, then try something else for a day, something like that until you find what works. On mice. You certainly don't need a gaming mouse. I'd suggest you at least use one that is going to be reliable. That means if it uses batteries it should have long battery life and honestly you prolly want one that will work at 100% ability until the battery is dead then just dies or gives some indicator that it's low. If your mouse just slowly gets worse and worse as your batteries drain you're going to be doing some significant fraction of your gaming with sub-optimal mouse performance. Personally I bought the very first Razer mouse (the Boomslang) that came out and I've never used anything but Razer mice ever since. In fact I just recently had to lay to rest my Diamondback which has served me very very well for something like 8 years. They are pricey, but damn well made mice and worth it IMO. As for keyboards... I dunno. Usually a standard keyboard is fine, but there are also some very bad ones especially ones that have "squishy" feeling keys. I had a plain black keyboard I used for ages that worked quite well and was comfortable. I think comfort is more important for the keyboard. Make sure you're comfortable with key placement as well. It's nice to have a keyboard that allows you to comfortably use a lot of the keys from left home position. Consider the placement of function keys, Ctrl, Shift, and Alt. These days I use a Saitek gaming keyboard that's okay and with this one I can comfortably hit Alt with my thumb. Shift is fine with my pinkey. Ctrl is a little difficult so I usually avoid it. But the function keys aren't a mile away like on some keyboards. The wrist rest is also good enough I've not bought a separate wrist pad for the keyboard despite it being hard plastic. Something else to consider, those soft foamy mousepads... they are shit and dustmagnets. You don't have to get a fancy pad, especially since nearly all mice these days are optical. Just get something that tracks well and your mouse slides easily on, but won't be a rotting dust generating piece of crap. Personally I've got a fancy hard plastic textured one with an aluminum base from func industries, but that's mainly just because I liked my previous one and they had a limited edition... and I'm a mouse snob. Okay I'm a wordy bastard but that's about all the advice I got... I think. Be prepared for a rather different experience, though. The games are a little different, and the controls are a lot different. But the players and the culture is a bit different as well. On top of that the very methods of connecting and getting games are often quite different. As are all the tweaking options. (GOD I wish more console game had fully customization controls. WTF?! Why is this feature removed for the console version when it's available on PC in so many games? I've seen it available in console games, so it's not like it can't be done. *shrug*) Have fun. PS. I'm assuming you know touch typing, but if not then learn it. You don't have to be a fast typist, but knowing the homekey positions and being able to hit all the keys without looking gives you basically half the keyboard at your disposal from left homekey position without looking or taking your hand off the mouse, and that's quite handy. It's also useful to be able to type out a text message quickly at times since voice communication isn't necessarily always available, or appropriate. In many cases you can also memorize menu shortcut keys and FLY through the menus. I used to have the TFC menus memorized and I guarantee I could do anything I needed to in those many seconds faster than having to navigate menus to switch classes and stuff like that on console. Not necessarily handy for every game, though. (I actually used the numeric keypad for that since the menus used the numbers. Learning 10 key is less useful than touch typing, but can come in handy too.)
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Post by raxcoswell on Sept 23, 2011 15:18:54 GMT -5
hey guys, thanks for all the advice. reading this on my new computer now and looking for mice etc. seems like razer was recommended by two of you. my touch typing is insanely great so i'll have no problems there i'm sure
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Post by arseson on Oct 21, 2011 14:44:50 GMT -5
I know what you are going through I just transitioned from console as well. It was hard at first but definitely one of the better decisions I've made. Steam sale are ridiculous and make Gamestop look like a joke. If you need nay help configuring things or just someone to squad up with shoot me a friend request on Steam and Origin my ID is the same as my forum name here: arseson
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Post by psijaka on Dec 29, 2011 8:26:24 GMT -5
I made the switch fro Wii to PC about 3 months ago, and went through a difficult transitional period. WASD for movement was my biggest hurdle, but it clicked after a week or so. Still not as fluid as with the Wii Nunchuk, and never will be, but good enough.
Looking at the date of your OP, you will have got past the "PC clown" stage by now.
I recently bought the Logitech G700 gaming mouse, which I highly recommend if you don't mind spending the cash.
Logitech really have put some thought into the button layout, and for me it is almost perfect; only the most forward button is slightly difficult to reach; but no problem, I use this for switching profiles, which is not something you would do in game anyway.
And there are 7 other programmable buttons in addition to the usual left and right mouse + scroll wheel (oh I almost forgot, you get scroll left and right as well). Great for switching weapons, nades, knife etc without using the keyboard. Programming possibilities seem almost infinite.
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Post by matttehman on Dec 29, 2011 18:00:31 GMT -5
I have a G700 that I use to game on my ps3. It has plenty of buttons for mapping and is pretty comfortable, my only complaint is that of the four thumb buttons on the side, only 2 feel just right. But they are all usable.... I also use a Razer Tarantula keyboard on the PS3, has macro buttons, but doesn't offer much over standard keyboards otherwise, the keys are membrane.
On my PC I use an OG Razer Deathadder, most comfortable mouse that I have ever used, and it is still going strong. I will soon replace it with the new 2012 Mamba as it has the exact same shape and much higher DPI(6400 vs. 1800) + 2 more buttons to bind. I game in 5760x 1080, so the extra DPI should come in handy. I use a Razer Blackwidow Ultimate on the PC. It is a fully mechanical keyboard and typing on it is just awesome. i haven't gamed enough on it to really compare it to the Tarantula and other membrane-type keyboards, but I can already tell that the feedback the keys provide on the mechanical keyboards should prove handy.
You really can't go wrong with a gaming mouse from Logitech or Razer in my experience. And you can grab a budget gaming mouse to get your feet wet. Steelseries mice are also highly regarded, as are their mechanical keyboards.
Mannon gave great advice on grip-type, this will ultimately determine which mouse is for you.
Recommended Mice:
Palm mice: Razer Deathadder, Razer Mamba,Logitech G700, Roccat Kone+
Claw grip: Logitech G9,Logitech G9x, Steel Series Xai , Razer Diamondback
Ambidextrous: Steelseries Sensei , Razer Lachesis, Roccat Kova
MMO: Razer Naga
Stay away from acceleration, ultimately it is your enemy and learning precision movements will better suit you in the long run. Muscle memory should be easier to train with 1 to 1 movements, acceleration skews this.
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Post by matttehman on Dec 29, 2011 18:13:45 GMT -5
You might be surprised to find that alot of the best mice share identical sensors. However, the mice can still perform very differently depending on who manufactures them.
Take the Avago ADNS-9500 mice for example:
-ROCCAT Kone+ -Mionix Naos 5000 -Logitech G9x, Logitech G500 -Steelseries Xai, -Steelseries WoW Cataclysm -Steelseries Sensei
Or the Phillips Twin-eye sensor mice: -Razer Mamba, -Razer Naga, -Razer Imperator, -Razer Disney TRON -Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 7, Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 9 -Razer Lachesis, -Razer Orochi -Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 5 -Cooler Master Storm Inferno -Thermaltake Tt eSPORTS BLACK -Cooler Master Storm Sentinel Advance
They all have quality internal sensors and provide many different grip styles, button configurations, macros,style...
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Post by psijaka on Dec 31, 2011 2:53:52 GMT -5
Whether or not to use acceleration is a difficult one; mannon has some wise words on this above.
I find that too much acceleration just leads to over reaction in a panic situation, but it is worth experimenting with a small amount of acceleration; I can't really put my finger on why, but this seems to work for me. Try it in stages.
Many gaming mice allow you to switch sensitivity in game, with a click of a button. I use a low sensitivity for general gameplay, especially ADS, and a higher sensitivity for those more frantic moments, or when I am in a tank (turret rotation can take ages otherwise). I'll not quote numbers; just experiment.
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