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Post by SheWolf on Nov 4, 2011 5:54:46 GMT -5
after deciding i couldn't take it anymore, i now decided to conduct some tests to figure out, at least approximately, what the heavy barrell does. before testing anything though i wanted to ask for possibilities/theories on the matter. currently i have heard several things that are to be considered:
downsides. 1: we can be pretty sure that the recoil increases. the ingame description isn't particularely helpfull, but it's noticable ingame, so i think we can safely asume this
upsides. 1: somewhere i heard that while increasing recoil for full auto the HB decreases recoil for semi auto fire. possible, will have to test. 2: the bullet cone might be growing slower, or be otherwise affected. maybe in it's maximum size. for single fire only or for all firemodes maybe. hard to test i think, any ideas for how to test, bros? 3: bullet drop could be affected. should be easy enough to test with a high power scope. 4: bullet speed. the test for this one is tricky. if it isn't noticable with the naked eye, the only way i can think of is with two computers in the same room, to have two guys shoot at each other at the exact same time, one with HB and one without. not really statisfied with the idea though, seems not accurate enough.
any more ideas what it could do or how to test any of it? input is appreciated.
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Post by sljusto on Nov 4, 2011 6:47:08 GMT -5
I think it increases vertical recoil, while decreasing damage dropoff and bullet deviation.
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Post by SheWolf on Nov 4, 2011 7:31:59 GMT -5
not sure about the damage dropoff. the ingame description states that damage doesn't change. yeah, i know, we can't always trust the ingame description (or better, could we ever?) but somehow i don't think that damage changes.
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Post by verccety on Nov 4, 2011 7:56:37 GMT -5
Вертикальная отдача увеличивается, кучность повышается
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Post by turdferguson on Nov 4, 2011 8:20:27 GMT -5
Вертикальная отдача увеличивается, кучность повышается = Vertical output increases, close grouping rises Why the Russian?
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Post by sleep on Nov 4, 2011 8:29:54 GMT -5
yep what the russian said. i definitely notice without the heavy barrel, long range single shots don't always go exactly where I'm pointing my sights.
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Post by SheWolf on Nov 4, 2011 8:44:47 GMT -5
you guys think the effect remains in full auto fire?
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Post by yhzh on Nov 4, 2011 9:11:27 GMT -5
Bullet speed and bullet drop are the same given that gravity is constant, but certain bullets may have their own gravity, so who knows...
Anyways, I think we can assume that it simply does one or more of the following things: reduced initial spread, which I believe exists for many of the guns reduced spread added per shot increased spread recovery decreased maximum spread and of course increased vertical recoil.
Anyways, I don't really think it's useful enough for it's drawbacks.
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Post by SheWolf on Nov 4, 2011 9:25:59 GMT -5
if it really improves the bullets spread it might be. at least on pc, where you can easily correct the increased recoil via mouse input. with thumbsticks that might be more tricky. tighter spread would really be worth a lot..
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Post by sleep on Nov 4, 2011 9:51:36 GMT -5
yep what the russian said. i definitely notice without the heavy barrel, long range single shots don't always go exactly where I'm pointing my sights. to clarify, i didn't mean to imply any change in muzzle velocity/bullet drop. bullets still drop and strike below the sight over longer ranges as usual, but when using the heavy barrel there's no perceptible left/right/up deviation on a single shot, whereas without it, there is. to me, this makes it invaluable on ARs/SCAR-H as my playstyle tends toward longer distance engagements when possible.
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Post by battleaxerx on Nov 6, 2011 14:04:35 GMT -5
bipod + Hbar = accurate sustained fire
I've tried the AEK-971 with and without the Hbar (both times using forgrip) and at short range (10-15m) the hbar hurts the grouping of 3r burst... That isn't much of an important test, but it's what I did, and in trying the hbar scar h with a bipod shortly after in conquest, I can speculate that if the gun in use had a higher RPM that it would kick ass.
Try the M134 3.4x scope on the m249 with bipod and hbar... should be amazing.
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Post by SheWolf on Nov 6, 2011 14:33:40 GMT -5
the hbar made the grouping at 15m worse? did i understand that right?
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Post by battleaxerx on Nov 6, 2011 15:30:35 GMT -5
yes, because the vertical recoil is increased. the view kick i think it's called.
you could maybe get better results pulling on the thumbstick, but that's not how I really like playing, especially with burst fire.
I feel that the HBAR is strongly for sustained fire... but I could be wrong. It seems logical though that it would be... It depends on what stats the hbar affects.
A long range single fire test should be done using a bipod to see if the accuracy of the 1st shot is increased.
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Post by battleaxerx on Nov 7, 2011 19:28:05 GMT -5
Looks like LMGs don't get Hbars... maybe they are built in... Anyway, I feel like testing...
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Post by freakinout on Nov 7, 2011 22:08:14 GMT -5
shooting an M16 up against a wall ,with no mouse movement on full auto the h bar gives you a near straight line up without it a circle shape. Its hard to tell if its got to do with bullet deviation or recoil the lack of horizontal spread with the h bar.
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Post by battleaxerx on Nov 8, 2011 13:31:57 GMT -5
Tested Scar-H with bipod and rifle scope 6x with and without hbar
Single fire is noticeably better with hbar... By better I mean less bullet deviation... Closer grouping.
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Post by robenter on Nov 8, 2011 14:29:23 GMT -5
shooting an M16 up against a wall ,with no mouse movement on full auto the h bar gives you a near straight line up without it a circle shape. Its hard to tell if its got to do with bullet deviation or recoil the lack of horizontal spread with the h bar. Just going by "feeling" to me, this is exactly how it feels. Increases up/down recoil, but reduces left/right recoil. Sorta like how the M14 in COD plays. Your number of headshots are likely to go up.
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Post by bmwtx on Nov 8, 2011 17:02:11 GMT -5
Just going by "feeling" to me, this is exactly how it feels. Increases up/down recoil, but reduces left/right recoil. Sorta like how the M14 in COD plays. Your number of headshots are likely to go up. I would think the reduced horizontal muzzle wandering would be the result of a foregrip. Hence, using a foregrip + HB would change your spread from a circle to more of a thin, taller oval without any recoil management etc.
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Post by battleaxerx on Nov 9, 2011 16:18:24 GMT -5
^Yes, like the M16 in blops comparded to the commando or ak47.
Using just the grip though would be a bit more like using the M16 with an ACOG... But you don't get the long range capability... Since the HBar is only for engineer and assault guns, I guess it's just to make them feel more like LMGS for sustained fire or bigger rifles for increased accuracy...
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