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Post by yrrnn on Nov 9, 2011 22:43:40 GMT -5
I know this has been covered in previous games, but I just wanted to know if anything has changed.
So is there any real difference between the Red Dot Sight and the Holographic Sight, aside from the aesthetics? A slight difference in FOV perhaps? Or maybe some other change like spread or time to ADS?
If not, which one seems to be the best/easiest to use?
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Post by bmwtx on Nov 9, 2011 23:20:31 GMT -5
Same ADS time, but the holo has slight magnification (according to Demize99 on Twitter) of 1.5x.
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Post by dranozir on Nov 10, 2011 4:58:34 GMT -5
I think red dot and kobra is faster than holo no ?
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Post by matiasdu on Nov 10, 2011 7:24:52 GMT -5
Since we're on the subject: does anyone know if any graphic settings affect optics? I have most on low and have a solid red dot on the RDS, but I've seen some videos in which they have a diffuse/semi transparent red dot. Or is that the difference between RDS and Kobra?
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Post by gatz on Nov 10, 2011 18:22:10 GMT -5
yes it seems red dot is slightly faster than holo but it might only be an impression. would be cool if anyone could verify this "scientifically" lol
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Post by fazzmania on Nov 10, 2011 18:43:29 GMT -5
According to demize99, red dot is 1x zoom and holo is 1.5
I prefer the PKS-Holo just because it looks amazing, the dot is tiny which I find really helps those precision headshots.
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Post by didjeridu on Nov 10, 2011 18:58:27 GMT -5
Regardless of the differences, I hate the Red Dot because the dot is so fat, not to mention it makes most guns look like crap. The Holo is okay, but I only use it on the SCAR, M240, and maybe some PDWs. Russian Holo is great, and I use it whenever I can. Kobra is terrible.
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Post by turdferguson on Nov 11, 2011 0:17:21 GMT -5
I really can't stand most of the Russian sights. I can tolerate the holographic sight, and I actually like the 3.4X sight much better than the American equivalent. Those are the only exceptions, though. The Russian 4X sight is awful with its multiple, dark chevrons and obtrusive aesthetics. In fact, I just use iron sights on the Russian guns until I unlock some kind of American sight.
Getting back to topics relevant to this post...
The American holographic sight is less obtrusive to me than the Russian equivalent. The Kobra is also vastly inferior to the American RDS to me as well with its large, obtrusive "T-shaped" reticule. How many times can I use the word "obtrusive" in my post?
The holographic sights have two utilities to me. First, the 1.5X zoom is useful for setups that require both medium and close range engagements. I have trouble using the ACOG at close range, although it is probably superior to the holographic sight at long range. Second, the reticule is useful on the one hand for accurate single fire or bursts using the small dot, and on the other hand for gauging the maximum spread of your weapon on full auto fire using the ring. That is a lot more utility than any other sight will give you at anything but very long ranges.
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Post by gameoveryeah on Nov 11, 2011 12:47:13 GMT -5
The Kobra is not any worse then any other site dunno why people dont like it. Russian holo is great but its the 3.4x zoom sites that are the best because they have fast ADS timings with great zoom. The russian one in particular is pretty much the best site in the game (PK-A) if you want the triangle or if you prefer the ballistic the M145 is your go to guy
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Post by kirbyderby on Nov 11, 2011 13:46:22 GMT -5
The Kobra is not any worse then any other site dunno why people dont like it. Russian holo is great but its the 3.4x zoom sites that are the best because they have fast ADS timings with great zoom. The russian one in particular is pretty much the best site in the game (PK-A) if you want the triangle or if you prefer the ballistic the M145 is your go to guy The Kobra doesn't have any statistical disadvantage, but the sight itself is ugly. I prefer the Holo for just about everything but bolt snipers.
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Post by Danthemanpr on Nov 15, 2011 8:40:28 GMT -5
I can't quite understand why they made the dot so fat on the RDS - it's worse than irons when you're making long-range shots. The holo seems more useful in that regard.
I love the Kobra, but I can understand why others wouldn't (it's strange). Mainly, I like that it doesn't obscure the target at all. I also really dig the PKA-S holo for the RPK - it's my favorite sight in the game.
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Post by Lexapro on Nov 15, 2011 9:19:04 GMT -5
I like both the RDS and the Kobra. The Kobra is nice for having a thinner bezel, so it obscures less of your target and the open space in the middle of the T actually help keep eyes on target.
I'm always a big fan of Eotechs when they make it into games. The one in BF3 is nice and doesn't suffer from the glow issues that were present in the beta. The PKA-S has thinner red dot and red circle and covers up too much of the screen I feel. Also, it looks ugly, which is a major turn off.
Little Off Topic, but I think the best sight in the game for general purpose use is the PK-A. Quick ADS speed, almost as much zoom as the ACOG, and a really nice simple chevron sight that is easily visible while rarely covering up the target. It also looks nice on your gun and doesn't obstruct as much of the screen as an ACOG (which I think is the second best sight) and doesn't look out of place on US weapons the way some other Russian sights do.
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Post by sleep on Nov 15, 2011 10:29:15 GMT -5
yeah i like the PK-A a lot for the semi-auto battle rifles.
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Post by didjeridu on Nov 15, 2011 20:15:20 GMT -5
The PKA-S is kinda ugly, I agree. It looks nice on some guns though. My only real problem with it is that when not ADS, its tallness takes up too much of the screen. Although sometimes the tallness is a boon, since it usually stands above any part of the gun that may have been an obstruction before. The main thing I like about it is the tightness of the circle and dot. Use the dot for precision, and the circle for spraying. The (American) Holo's circle is so wide that it serves no purpose but to get in the way.
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Post by ZeroKelvin^ on Nov 30, 2011 9:58:08 GMT -5
all those different optics confuse me, I need a chart for them alone :/
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Post by thelane on Nov 30, 2011 14:22:04 GMT -5
all those different optics confuse me, I need a chart for them alone :/ battlelog.battlefield.com/
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Post by ecchi on Dec 1, 2011 7:39:23 GMT -5
I read somewhere that RDS has 0.15 seconds to ADS and HOLO 0.20 but there was no source to back it up. Is anyone aware of that?
Is there, besides magnification, looks and reticle, any other behavior that might point ones preference to the one or the other? Like speed of moving the reticle around?
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 1, 2011 10:52:55 GMT -5
Just from playing the game (PS3) moving the reticle is inversely proportional to the zoom of the optic used. For example, if you're using an ACOG, it would take you 4x as long to turn 180 degrees than if you were using RDS/iron sights. It makes the aiming feel consistent.
I would also like to know ADS times for different optics. I'm trying to find the perfect balance between fast sight in and decent magnification.
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Post by didjeridu on Dec 1, 2011 15:52:04 GMT -5
I would also like to know ADS times for different optics. I'm trying to find the perfect balance between fast sight in and decent magnification. Same here. At the moment, I'm just going off the assumption that the 3.4x is the optic of choice, based on BF3 tooltips claiming that it has a fast ADS. That works for me, seeing how I love 4x personally, and I'll gladly trade a measly 0.6x for faster ADS. My personal flavor of the month is M39 4x. I can't wait until I unlock 3.4x, since I mainly fight at close to medium range, and the faster ADS would sure come in handy. I remember in the Beta how the SKS 3.4x was my top weapon, and it was sure fun to use. In the end, I'd say the Holo, 3.4x, and 4x are the only sights I'd ever use. 6x would be fun to play with on certain weapons, but it's not worth the glare.
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Post by SheWolf on Dec 1, 2011 16:52:58 GMT -5
i also like the crosshairs of the 3,4 a lot better. thin black lines help me more than the goofy chevron somehow.
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Post by doctorbrain on Dec 2, 2011 11:21:57 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that almost all of the Russian sights are inferior to their NATO counterparts. The single exception is probably the SV98's default scope - I actually like the chevrons with that, for some weird reason.
I don't use the RDS sights, mostly because the US one is too bulky, and the Kobra is just flat-out terrible (I hate that open T). I have to agree with those who posted before me; the US holographic sight and the 3.4x are probably the best.
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Post by Danthemanpr on Dec 2, 2011 11:48:22 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed: the "relative size" of the dots on the sights changes from gun to gun, because of where the sight is mounted. On the carbines and SMGs, they end up being much closer to your face, and so the red dot is fat.
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Post by novanleon on Dec 7, 2011 12:36:35 GMT -5
I don't really have much feedback on the RDS vs. HOLO debate since I haven't used either extensively, but for the mid-range zoom scopes, here are my thoughts: US- Reflex (RDS) (1x)
- Holographic (HOLO) (1.5x)
- M145 (3.4x) <- I like this one for LMGs, but it just doesn't feel right for the other weapons.
- ACOG (4x) <- I like this one alot, but sometimes it feels imprecise compared with the PSO-1. Something about the red chevron isn't "sharp" enough for my eyes visually during the heat of battle. I'm still torn about this one.
- Rifle Scope (8x)
Russian- KOBRA (RDS) (1x)
- PKA-S (HOLO) (1.5x)
- PK-A (3.4x) <- Fast ADS and near-ACOG level zoom with big viewable area. Another personal favorite.
- PSO-1 (4x) <- Even though the sight is admittedly ugly, for some reason I feel more precise with this one than the ACOG, even thought I like the ACOG in every other way. I'm still torn on this one.
- PKS-07 (7x) <- Personal favorite out of the "glint"-rifle scopes. For some reason the chevrons do a good job for me.
Both- Ballistic (12x) <- Personally I find this one great for bolt actions sniper rifles, at any range, where getting that headshot is so important.
- IRNV (1x)
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