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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 22, 2011 23:31:37 GMT -5
I wonder how the MP7 is with just grip.
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Post by mannon on Nov 23, 2011 0:15:03 GMT -5
I wonder how the MP7 is with just grip. I think I can probably handle that one for you right now. There you go. Graphed... ;p
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Post by psijaka on Nov 23, 2011 2:33:16 GMT -5
O,O Wow... I want this game now just so I can play with the MP7. That looks deadly! P90 also looks to me like RF definitely improves the spread. ;3 Though I suppose if you run the simulation a few times you might get a few different patterns, but notice that both the blue and green groupings look to be more narrow, at least horizontally. Hooray for Science! >,> Well, math anyway. heh I ran the simulation several times, and there is some slight variation, but the plot I posted is pretty representative. Occasionally you get some stray bursts that deviate from the main body of the plot, but that is random numbers for you. I tried increasing the number of bursts but this spoils the look of the plot, and I'm not sure anything is gained by seeing the few random stray bursts. And yes, P90 definately has reduced spread with RF. BUT.... It may be similar in max x/y distance from center, but the non-RF P90 will recenter in one of the two much more often. You can see it has a nice upside down T while the RF version does not. Also, see what I meant about the ACR + proof of them putting thought into it? The guns with RF will definately recenter less frequently than non RF guns. The much reduced number of green dots on the axes clearly shows this. Important when longshotting. Yup, looks like they did put some thought into the ACR; looks quite deadly for medium range work with Kick. Assuming that the 20% viewkick reduction figure is correct, of course.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 23, 2011 4:13:50 GMT -5
I wonder how the MP7 is with just grip. I think I can probably handle that one for you right now. There you go. Graphed... ;p whoops.. I mean kick.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 23, 2011 8:23:41 GMT -5
I wonder how the MP7 is with just grip. I'll do some plots tonight, and add it to the post on page 3.
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Post by moses on Nov 23, 2011 12:49:30 GMT -5
Thanks for fulfilling my request! I have a few more, based on what I feel people would really want to know when debating which gun they'd like to use of the "good" guns.
PP90, P90, and MP7 with Kick. AK-47, G36c, and M4 with Kick.
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Post by asasa on Nov 23, 2011 12:55:47 GMT -5
It's looking like you might as well make 2-4 plots for every gun Psijaka.
ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF LMGs std&w/grip&/orw/kick
I know that's a lot but that's ultimately what these requests are boiling down to.
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Post by eLantern on Nov 23, 2011 13:00:04 GMT -5
Just wondering what the plot would be for the CM901 with the Shotgun/GL attachment, as those boost the RoF, and then what it would be like with the Recoil Proficiency on top of that?
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Post by psijaka on Nov 23, 2011 13:34:34 GMT -5
It's looking like you might as well make 2-4 plots for every gun Psijaka. ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF LMGs std&w/grip&/orw/kick I know that's a lot but that's ultimately what these requests are boiling down to. I will start on the SMGs. I don't have info on the effects of Grip yet. EDIT - I think I am going to hold off just a bit longer, just to gain confidence in the interpretation of Kick and RF. It is quite a a bit of work, and I want to be sure that I am on the right track before I start. And I would like to get centerspeed info on Grip + other attachments. It is still early days yet.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 23, 2011 14:06:16 GMT -5
I wonder how the MP7 is with just grip Kick. Have also added this to the SMG plots on page 3 of this thread. The Skorpion is dead; long live the MP7 !
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Post by psijaka on Nov 24, 2011 2:54:00 GMT -5
OK, so I have started adding plots showing the effects of Kick, RF to the OP. There are a lot of blank spaces; please be patient.
Any comments on layout would be welcome; there is a lot to cram in. Is a row of 6 plots too wide, for instance?
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Post by bobo on Nov 24, 2011 10:45:25 GMT -5
The Skorpion is dead; long live the MP7 ! I want my Skorpion back. I liked it's recoil with RF better. I use RF and extended mags on the MP7 and it kicks upwards pretty hard. I don't like the irons as much either. I'll try it out more, but I was hoping it'd be the new Skorpion for me, statistically it should be better I guess. I just don't know why they had to turn the Skorp into crap. It was never that popular in the first place.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 24, 2011 12:07:37 GMT -5
The Skorpion is dead; long live the MP7 ! I want my Skorpion back. I liked it's recoil with RF better. I use RF and extended mags on the MP7 and it kicks upwards pretty hard. I don't like the irons as much either. I'll try it out more, but I was hoping it'd be the new Skorpion for me, statistically it should be better I guess. I just don't know why they had to turn the Skorp into crap. It was never that popular in the first place. I haven't tried it but I would be tempted to go for MP7 + Kick; without RF. I have always favoured accuracy over spamming lead. Edit - and I too mourn the passing of the BO Skorpion. Used to love longshotting those snipers, as well as spraying people down at close range.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 24, 2011 13:27:42 GMT -5
ARs + Kick added to OP.
More to come!
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 24, 2011 17:06:28 GMT -5
I wonder how the MP7 is with just grip Kick. Have also added this to the SMG plots on page 3 of this thread. The Skorpion is dead; long live the MP7 !What about dual wielding skorps?
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Post by psijaka on Nov 24, 2011 17:14:52 GMT -5
It's looking like you might as well make 2-4 plots for every gun Psijaka. ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF LMGs std&w/grip&/orw/kick I know that's a lot but that's ultimately what these requests are boiling down to. ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF completed and added to OP Don't know centerspeed reduction for LMG grip, but will add Kick.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 25, 2011 12:46:12 GMT -5
New versions of all plots added to standardise format, and to make gridlines less intrusive. Comments please.
Edit: LMGs + Kick added.
Any other requests?
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 25, 2011 13:03:57 GMT -5
I'm a little confused.. How was the kick value applied to the guns? What formula did you use for kick? I'm assuming that , will you put grip + kick as well as rapid fire on lmgs eventually too then.. Other than that, if your graphs are true, some guns actually seem to be better off with rapid + kick vs no kick + rapid fire..?
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Post by psijaka on Nov 25, 2011 13:30:20 GMT -5
^ yes, guns behave in different ways with RF added. With some it makes little difference or makes the spread worse, but with others it actually improves (tightens) the spread,
But RF will always reduce the proportion of shots that are recentered when the next round is fired. As asasa stated earlier in this thread.
The information on this forum is that Kick reduces the viewkick figures by 20%, and that is what I have applied. I must add this explanation to the OP.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 25, 2011 15:30:56 GMT -5
which guns are actually improved in spread w/ RF?
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Post by psijaka on Nov 25, 2011 16:02:27 GMT -5
which guns are actually improved in spread w/ RF? The plots in the op should show this. P90 and PM9 look as if spread is reduced with RF MP7 worse (but still very tight) Edit - take a look at mannon's long post on page 3 which describes why RF can sometimes reduce spread.
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Nov 25, 2011 18:48:20 GMT -5
It's looking like you might as well make 2-4 plots for every gun Psijaka. ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF LMGs std&w/grip&/orw/kick I know that's a lot but that's ultimately what these requests are boiling down to. ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF completed and added to OP Don't know centerspeed reduction for LMG grip, but will add Kick. I forget who but someone was saying grip is 10% view kick reduction and 25% center speed increase.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 25, 2011 19:22:34 GMT -5
ARs std&w/kick SMGs std&w/kick&/orw/RF completed and added to OP Don't know centerspeed reduction for LMG grip, but will add Kick. I forget who but someone was saying grip is 10% view kick reduction and 25% center speed increase. Thanks; yeah, I think I saw that somewhere. But I'd like to know the source before I start plugging those numbers in.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 26, 2011 15:58:02 GMT -5
Just wondering what the plot would be for the CM901 with the Shotgun/GL attachment, as those boost the RoF, and then what it would be like with the Recoil Proficiency on top of that? OK, I'll add this. Do you have a figure for the rof with underbarrel?
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Post by wantonRULE on Nov 27, 2011 12:19:43 GMT -5
+1 psijaka, nicely done.
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Post by psijaka on Nov 27, 2011 13:49:37 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by asasa on Nov 28, 2011 1:06:15 GMT -5
PP90M looks more tempting every time I get killed by it. That 6 shot kill beyond max damage range is a real turnoff though.
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Post by xcary on Nov 28, 2011 16:12:59 GMT -5
well i guess this shows why i put down the acr for the g36 and why i scream fire teh lazer everytime i squeeze the trigger with the mp7 jk about the everytime.. its a sometimes thing
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Post by c98 on Nov 29, 2011 1:46:44 GMT -5
Excellent. I'd like to see the burst ARs with RF and RF + kick. I feel like the 3rd shot on the type 95 with RF goes way off sometimes
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Post by psijaka on Nov 29, 2011 8:33:07 GMT -5
Will do the RF plots for the 3 round burst fire guns. Is this info correct? Rapid Fire AttachmentThe Modern Warfare 3 Rapid Fire Attachment increases the speed at which a weapon fires by 20%. It therefore raises a weapon’s damage per second capacity but consumes ammunition much more quickly and also makes the recoil more difficult to control. It can be used on the M16A4 and Type 95 assault rifles, sub machine guns, and light machine guns. Both of the assault rifles you can attach it to are burst fire weapons. The advantage here is that it makes the grouping of the shots tighter than normal increasing the odds of all 3 bullets hitting the target and resulting in a one burst kill source: modernwarfare3maps.com/guns-weapons-and-equipment/attachments/rapid-fire/Edit - also found this: Rapid Fire The Modern Warfare 3 Rapid Fire Attachment increases the speed at which a weapon fires by one third. It therefore raises a weapon’s damage per second capacity but consumes ammunition much more quickly and also makes the recoil more difficult to control www.callofdutystrategyguides.com/mw3-weapon-attachments-guide/
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