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Post by Protolisk on Dec 1, 2011 8:12:40 GMT -5
So I've been playing around in jets and helicopters. But are they really worth it?
I know that the jets aren't like how they were in BF2 but it seems like in this they can only really take out choppers and other jets. The mini gun seems more useful than the heat seeking missiles in taking down other jets.
Helicopters on the other hand seem a bit more useful as they can be used against infantry and some ground vehicles.
Although it seems like the AA vehicles just dominate aircraft in general.
So what does everyone else think? Are jets worth it? Helicopters useful? Or is it better to just avoid them unless you want to muck around?
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Post by ZeroKelvin^ on Dec 1, 2011 9:24:08 GMT -5
Jets are fun but not worth it
I believe that removing the jets in BF2142 was a brilliant idea which contributed to it being the best Battlefield of all times witha superb balance. It is simply a balancing and mapping nightmare to properly do jets and it requires a lot of resources.
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Post by AndrewPast on Dec 1, 2011 10:43:24 GMT -5
Actually, jets are worth it... eventually. You need the later unlocks to an effective multi-role aircraft. Imo, the best setup is air radar (spots ground vehicles too), rocket pods to take out tanks, and flares.
For dog fighting, heat seekers aren't needed. One good burst of the main cannon can easily disable, and even kill a jet. Rocket pods can disable tanks (and then some) in a single run. The main cannon can actually damage tanks a great deal, especially from behind. Flares because they are simple and effective. Extinguisher is good for 1v1 dog fights, but is not good for multiple heat seekers and stingers.
Also, attack helicopters are extremely powerful with a proper pilot/gunner team. This should be a jet's primary target and is the biggest reason as to why the jets are useful.
Attack choppers are incredibly powerful. Easily the most influential vehicle in the game. It requires a good team, especially for cycling flares. Again, the later unlocks are ideal. Both guided rockets and TV missiles allow a chopper team to snipe vehicles from across the map. This is especially useful for neutralizing AAVs from a safe distance. Even at a closer range, unguided rockets and the gunner cannon tears vehicles apart.
Perks wise, always do flares for both gunner and pilot, guided rockets, and TV missiles. Yes, TVs bounce due to a bug atm, but you can still aim in front of tanks to bounce the TV missile up into the tank.
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Post by tomat on Dec 1, 2011 11:15:10 GMT -5
+ 1 to the previous poster, it's not always directly obvious but the knock-on effect on the attack chopper is huge with a pair of dominant jets. I often fly attack choppers and if my teams jets are either unused on the ground or inserted in trees seconds after takeoff I'll generally spend all my time using air radar to try and sidestep enemy jets lining up attack runs over and over. The added guided missile every 30 seconds also doesn't help in addition to ground stingers and the enemy chopper. Points/kills-wise it is a fairly thankless job but if it takes the enemy jets out of the equation it allows your teams chopper (provided it's not flown by idiots) to dominate (and steal all the points )
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Post by sleep on Dec 1, 2011 11:31:49 GMT -5
Points/kills-wise it is a fairly thankless job but if it takes the enemy jets out of the equation it allows your teams chopper (provided it's not flown by idiots) to dominate (and steal all the points ) indeed. as soon as you get flares you can stay in the air to contend with enemy jets (most importantly to keep them dead and/or not bothering your choppers) and kill enemy choppers; as soon as you get rocket pods you can start destroying enemy armor too.
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Post by natsuterran on Dec 1, 2011 17:24:07 GMT -5
As posted in another thread, I let a gunner in my havoc get 57 kills and 0 deaths. That seems worth it to me. We were ravaging their tanks and infantry. I was using the TV missile while he was flying in the previous game on Caspian. I would launch it onto the hilltop and get a double kill each and every time. Choppers are ridiculously powerful once you get the hang of it.
Same goes for jets. Although the learning curve is pretty ridiculous at first. The only setup that is *ever* worth using is air radar, flares, and rocket pods. Air radar is required to dog fight. I mean, you can go without it, but you have to manually keep tabs on their jets and maintain constant vigilance. The instant you go for a tank run they might sneak behind you and you will never ever know it until it's too late. I just about never get shot down by other jets anymore now that I started using radar. I'll even let them go and allow them to get behind me just to have fun reversing it on them; I've got several tricks up my sleeve that most people can't follow me through.
The rocket pods are better than missiles because they can hit not only the tanks, but also the people outside repairing them, choppers if you run out of bullets while attacking it, infantry bottled up in high traffic areas, and even blow up the occasional AT mines. Guided missiles can be good with beam scanner, but it really isn't worth it. Especially since people can just abandon tanks to cancel lock. I haven't used the missiles with laser targeting but I really don't think it is worth it to use. Missiles with the radar locks on too slowly. With rocket pods you can get a full burst of machine gun on top of the rockets. But you have to really work fast to get any bullets on target if you are running missiles.
But anyways yes, jets are definitely worth it if you really know what you are doing. I've played games where I get over 30-40 tank kills. I've seen some people end the game going 25-0 as far as their K/D's go, and I'm sure they wrecked and disabled countless amounts of vehicles. They aren't for just having a little 1v1 in the sky all game while the conquest round goes on underneath them, which is what I initially presumed before I got better at it.
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 1, 2011 19:23:11 GMT -5
am i the only one who uses extinguisher here? I especially use extinguishers in jets since most other jet flyers don't expect me to come back around after they disable me my loadout Stealth; which usually provides me enough time to get below radar/ out of lock on range. I usually notice other jets dog fighting and let my team spot ground vehicles Extinguisher: because a burning jet is a dead jet Rocket Pods: because they are "legit"
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Post by sleep on Dec 1, 2011 22:26:17 GMT -5
am i the only one who uses extinguisher here? I especially use extinguishers in jets since most other jet flyers don't expect me to come back around after they disable me my loadout Stealth; which usually provides me enough time to get below radar/ out of lock on range. I usually notice other jets dog fighting and let my team spot ground vehicles Extinguisher: because a burning jet is a dead jet Rocket Pods: because they are "legit" haha. yes, rocket pods are very very legit i read a lot about people switching from flares to extinguisher, but i'm not good at dodging missiles. i do use the fast-repair thing whatever that's called, so maybe i should switch back to stealth and try extinguisher again. also i've managed to land and repair a <50% jet twice in the past two days, but that's rare, for me anyway.
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 1, 2011 23:44:57 GMT -5
i don't know how to dodge missiles either- but sometimes if i afterburner really hard and strafe (what ever it's called when you turn in a jet staying horizontal) near the ground the missiles go away or something
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Post by natsuterran on Dec 2, 2011 0:09:50 GMT -5
Extinguisher is simply not an option for me. I can dodge a few missiles here and there with an immelman if I know where it's coming from. But in my games I usually have the lock on tone sounding off from the moment I'm in the air to the time the game ends. I don't die from missiles when I have flares. I time them just right to always be safe. It allows me to swoop in, bomb targets, then get out and flare on the way out. With extinguisher, when I am moving in for a run on a tank and I hear the tone, I simply have to turn around and head back to base, abandoning the run. If I bomb the tank and try to eat the missiles, it will always be like 2 mobile AA missiles, 2-4 heatseekers from scout/AH choppers and jets, and 6-8 stingers. All of that mess collides with me at once and renders the extinguisher completely worthless. I also hate how long it takes to build your health back up after you are at 53%. Not using air radar is not an option for me. I never look at anything in the air, just focus on killing tanks and infantry with rocket pods. I rely on air radar to let me know when it's time to dog fight. I am a very defensive pilot when it comes to other air. I pretty much frolic amongst their jets and choppers. I really don't care to fight them. It's the land vehicles I enjoy killing.
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Post by Protolisk on Dec 2, 2011 1:40:35 GMT -5
Hmm, after experimenting with a xbox 360 controller, i realised that the sensitivity was really low. I had trouble lifting off from some air strips.
I couldn't find where to change the controller sensitivity, so I went back to mouse and keyboard.
This vid seemed pretty helpful.
Essentially he uses mouse and keyboard and assigns the spacebar to pitch up, that way he can turn at the maximum rate.
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Post by Danthemanpr on Dec 2, 2011 11:44:51 GMT -5
Attack choppers are very worth it, naturally. The scout choppers and blackhawks are not quite as dominating, but are also a step up from other vehicles.
Jets I have mixed feelings about. Left to their own devices, they are fairly efficient at killing helicopters and tanks. But they are very rarely left alone by other jets. It feels like you have to spend the supermajority of your time dogfighting, rather than helping your team on the ground. I don't mind that they're in the game, though.
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 2, 2011 17:54:23 GMT -5
sneaking behind enemy choppers with little birds = COMPLETE DOMINATION hell even using the blackhawk is super effective if you can flank enemy choppers, even by yourself you just change seats while slowly landing and spray them down
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