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Post by Usagi on Dec 18, 2011 14:39:12 GMT -5
I figured I'd ask, because PC bros seem to be be a minority here. For anyone who doesn't play Killing Floor, I encourage you to look it up, it's the best zombie game I've ever played (Yes I have played L4D). Killing Floor is a co-op wave-based survival game where you start out with just a 9mm pistol and a knife. You have to kill all the zombies on the first wave, gaining money for each kill. When you kill all the zombies in that wave you go to the trader and spend the money you've gained on armor, better weapons, etc. You repeat this process and more zombies and more powerful types of zombies appear with each wave. After the 10th wave, it's time to fight the boss, the Patriarch, armed with an absurd amount of health, the ability to cloak and heal, and a rocket launcher and a minigun mounted on his arm. There are also 7 classes you can play as that each play a different role and get bonuses to specific types of weapons. These classes are Commando (bonuses to assault rifles and can see zombies' health bars and see cloaked zombies), Medic (can heal much better and has much more effective armor), Berserker (melee weapon specialist, resistance to damage, speed boost), Firebug (resistant to fire damage, bonus to flamethrower, grenades set zombies on fire), Sharpshooter (bonus to rifles and pistols, less recoil, more headshot damage), Support (bonus to shotguns, welds doors faster, can carry more than others), and Demolition (bonus to grenade launchers and rockets launchers and pipe bombs, resistance to explosive damage). You can level up the classes to get better bonuses. The best part is that you can play with 5 other people, it's tons of fun even with randoms. Now that I'm done selling the game to you if any bros play the game already, we should play together sometime. My Steam ID is 'immerschauen' without the quotations and not capitalized.
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Post by Den on Dec 18, 2011 15:13:29 GMT -5
I'M WELDIN DIS DOHR!
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 18, 2011 19:08:25 GMT -5
MONEY MONEY MONEY! hostilepuppy- although i dont go on steam much anymore with BF3 DAMN YOU EA!
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Post by mannon on Dec 22, 2011 18:09:23 GMT -5
Puttin' the wood in the 'ole, guv'nor!
One of my fav's. My GF and I tried it for the free weekend and had to buy it. We enjoy it quite a bit except she's gotten very dismayed that we seem unable to play the game on normal even though it's gotten far too easy on beginner. The disparity between difficulty levels is a bit too steep leaving us in a spot where it's not really as much fun to play the game right now.
I think what really hurts us is that you simply have to kite the zeds on Normal with only two players because you won't be able to simply hole up and fight them the way we like to, and she's not very keen on playing with strangers. I'm a bit better at kiting so I do better in solo on normal. ;-( I love the game design, though. I just think it could REALLY use a difficulty level between beginner and normal.
I was actually going to mention Killing Floor on here myself, but just hadn't gotten around to it. heh The other thing I love about this game is the fact that it generally runs really well on my computer! lol Thank god for old UT engine games. hehe I can't run any new FPS games for crap, but this and Source engine stuff usually runs fine. mmmm... I've missed PC first person shooters.
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Post by Usagi on Dec 23, 2011 15:45:48 GMT -5
LOADS A MONEY! I'll agree that it's quite a leap from beginner to normal, but only because beginner is a cakewalk, no offense mannon. You can kill the Patriarch with a single double-shot from the hunting shotgun on beginner. I've got nearly 250 hours of playing time under my belt so I know what I'm talking about. I know you bros love your stats so I highly advise that you take a look at the wiki here kf-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page if you haven't already. I'll give you some tips that will hopefully help you out. - Know which Perk is best suited for each map (ex. Support for Biotics Lab, Sharpshooter for West London) - Be careful with Explosive weapons (don't use them is a Zed is too close or if a teammate might walk in front of you) - DON'T SPAM GRENADES (you will kill yourself 9 times out of 10) - Memorize where the Trader spawns are on each map (it's not as hard as it sounds) - Remember where ammo and weapons spawn the map (they have set spawn locations) - Don't back yourself into a corner - Always have an escape route - Heal other players not yourself (see here for an explanation kf-wiki.com/wiki/Medical_syringe) - Scrakes are highly resistant to explosives - Fleshpounds are resistant to assault rifles, but are weak against explosives - Learn how to aim without ADSing (essential when backpedaling) - The Crossbow is a badass mofo, but pathetically weak unless you can get headshots consistently - Find more people to play with (4 players in a team is optimal) I can't think of anything else ATM. If you need some help or another player don't hesitate to ask me. Hopefully that helps. "heh The other thing I love about this game is the fact that it generally runs really well on my computer! lol Thank god for old UT engine games. hehe I can't run any new FPS games for crap, but this and Source engine stuff usually runs fine." I'm starting to have this problem as well. I bought Deus Ex recently and it I couldn't play it even on lowest settings! Boy did that make me feel stupid. At least I can play MW3 thanks to its ancient engine. I can play BF3 but only on lowest settings or else I start dropping frames.
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 23, 2011 20:41:24 GMT -5
my favorite part of the game is being able to carry a LAW and an AA12 at the same time. hip firing the mac10 as a firebug is fun too, probably the most efficient way to kill enemies at long range too
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Post by mannon on Dec 24, 2011 7:33:23 GMT -5
Scrakes aren't actually resistant to explosives, it just seems that way because Fleshpounds are weak against them. Explosives aren't terribly effective, though, given their high HP. I've been reading the wiki quite a bit. ;3
I don't know if we're going to make the jump to Normal from beginner. The problem is we're just not dedicated enough. We'll play generally one or two maps a night when we play it, and never the same map twice in a day. In fact we've only played a few of the maps more than once, so that's probably our biggest problem right there. Map knowledge... We don't know the maps well enough to be able to hit the trader and get into a good position before the next wave hits. Sometimes we do, on maps we know a little better, or just because we got lucky... or because I actually insisted on kiting the last enemy or two all the way to the trader to give us the maximum amount of time.
The problem is that there's no in between. My GF doesn't want to play with strangers so that means it's really going to be just the two of us, and we don't really play enough to have map layouts memorized. On top of that she doesn't kite well, in pretty much any game. I dunno why... It's not a question of killing the Patriarch. Usually we get wiped out on round one. Our best so far has been about 3 waves, then we get overrun because we cannot possibly kill them fast enough, and one of us gets grabbed and surrounded, then it's over.
I'm certain that if we kept playing we could learn how to handle these situations better and pull it off, but the problem is that my GF thinks it is simply impossible and it is NOT fun for either of us, so we've given up trying. Why grind away on something that's not fun? This is where there really should be a difficulty level between Beginner and Normal, because at this point Beginner is so easy it's not much fun either, though it is a bit more fun than the suprise buttsecks raping of playing Normal.
I think what it's going to take for us to play on Normal is finding some location we can actually get to that we can hold with just two players for an entire game. I know that having an escape is pretty much manditory, but that's a bit of a problem when one of us doesn't kite well. Escape is not much of an option for us. MAYBE if we had two defensible locations I could toss grenades to clear a path for her and we could evacuate from one to the other and back and forth or something. I don't really know.
I have suggested we go play with a full team and watch what they do, but she won't do it. I think we're just destined to be stuck in beginnerville unless we can get more people we know to play the game. Maybe I can get her to commit to learning one particular map inside and out. I dunno...
Maybe I can setup some sort of normal mode we can actually handle in sandbox mode for practice, though we won't get any XP for that. ;-(
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Post by Usagi on Dec 24, 2011 12:12:05 GMT -5
If your GF doesn't want to play with other people that's kind of a bummer because that's where most of the fun is. Playing with just two people is a challenge because the Zeds have more health and there are more of them. As you said before it's easier to win going solo. As for a place to hole up, I've got an idea. Have you played on West London before? On it there are two tunnels: one with the double-decker bus, and the other with a bunch of wrecked cars. The tunnel without the bus is a great place to hole up because it's pretty spacious and there are only two places that Zeds can come in, perfect for you and your GF. There's a car right smack-dab in the middle that you can jump up on top of that serves as a great vantage point. As for an escape route, you'll have to make one. Just push through whichever end of the tunnel is less populated or has the weakest Zeds. Things might get hairy if there's a Fleshpound on both ends of the tunnel, but focus on one end then the other, you don't want to get sandwiched by two or more raging FPs while Sirens rape your ears, definitely no fun and very frustrating. That reminds me, ALWAYS KILL SIRENS FIRST. I'm also in the same predicament minus the GF and going from Normal to Hard. Normal seems too easy and I can win every game unless I have totally inept teammates, but Hard is incredibly rage-inducing. Having a more experienced player to lean on helps a TON. Even if you die every wave they can usually finish the wave and give you some dosh(lol) to experiment with loadouts and learn a lot along the way. As for the sandbox mode, go for it. It doesn't matter if you don't get XP, it's practice anyway.
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 24, 2011 13:29:36 GMT -5
mannonYou guys should try using the sharp shooter class. Take your time and aim for the head. Even if you miss, don't panic. Take your time and make that lethal headshot- 1 headshot taken in even 2 seconds is better than 10 spammed shots in 2 seconds. It's all about self discipline, this game is only spray and pray when using fire bug and commando- and even commando benefits alot from headshots HEADSHOTS!!!!!!
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Post by mannon on Dec 24, 2011 16:09:25 GMT -5
Yeah and pyro... >,> I mean firebug ;3 has to conserve ammo when using the flamethrower. It's fun as heck though. I love burning them.
Honestly at this point I'm less afraid of fleshpounds than scrakes due to their weakness to explosives. It's not that hard to stack grenades on them, that is if you don't have a tone of lesser specimens to knock the grenades back in your face, in which case you're pretty much game over except in beginner where you can basically just tank. ;p
So far I think sharp shooter is probably my best class. I love using dual handcannons or 44's as a sharpshooter. Practically no recoil and sense I mark the center of my screen with a dry erase marker moving the guns to the sides actually just clears my view. They are actually still pretty accurate dual wielded. I think making heads explode is my favorite thing in the game, though I do have fun with all the perks...
Well... I've barely tried berserker. I'm not a big fan of the melee combat in this game. L4D did melee better. In KF you don't really get that much of an arc and I think you literally only get a headshot if you are looking directly at their head. It does have some appeal, though. I've been spending lots of first waves as a berserker and using the alt attack to decapitate scabs. I've spent a couple of games as a berserker now and I guess it's fun and has it's place. But the guns are done quite well in this game and I tend to gravitate to them.
I'm very much wanting to play more as a medic. But unfortunately playing with just 2 people, and on beginner where damage is low and body armor blocks most of it anyway, it's fairly pointless. I do still heal her whenever I can for the medic XP, though. Mebbe I should play some on my own in pubs but just do medic so she doesn't get upset about my perks advancing so much faster than hers. >,> She's already kinda jealous of me in that regard, or rather it makes her feel bad. I just kill more zeds I guess... It's not like it's her fault, it's just that before she met me she was definitely more of a casual gamer and I don't think she understands what it is like to have grown up playing Doom and Quake ect... I'm not anything like a pro or even a "good" FPS player because I don't play enough to stay in practice, but I'm not bad and I kinda know what I'm doing, at least in a general way.
We did try that tunnel once with a friend who we had playing with a guest pass. Sure as hell wish those lasted more than 2 days, or that he could get more than one of them. ;-/ hell we have 3 left, but no point giving one to him now. Maybe my bro will play... If we can just get a crew. heh Anyway the tunnel mostly went okay except she was way too far forward on the wide end. I think she was there so she could shoot down the road a ways, but then the guys coming around the corner were a bit of a problem. Our friend took the car and sharpshootered the back and I flitted back and forth cleaning up as a commando trying to keep them from getting overrun.
I've heard Mountain Pass is quite easy due to the loooonng sightlines on the highway and had some success there in solo, but with my GF we got overrun very quickly, I guess because more zeds spawn. I'm not really sure where the good places are there, but not, apparently, where we were at the end of the road where it breaks off. ;p (In solo I did pretty well there and only died because I was stupid and walked off the edge. heh)
Anyway. FUN game... We'll just have to keep trying.
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Post by ParaGoombaSlayer on Dec 24, 2011 20:02:45 GMT -5
1.) Scrakes don't charge at you if you don't damage them. Pick off everything around them and then focus fire them down one at a time.
2.) After using the syringe you can cancel out the obnoxiously long reload animation the thing has by switching weapons.
3.) Mountain Pass, Farm, and West London are fairly open maps that are easier to play on.
4.) Normal isn't that hard.
5.) The game is simply better with more people and your girlfriend is just going to have to deal with it.
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Post by saddaminsane on Dec 24, 2011 22:40:09 GMT -5
Why exactly doesn't she like playing in pubs? I can understand if you guys use voice chat and guys start harassing her over the fact she's a female playing the game, but even that shouldn't deter her from having the most fun she can in game. Most players in the KF community are pretty mature too, if not just silly/friendly trolls
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Post by Usagi on Dec 25, 2011 19:59:52 GMT -5
mannon Sharpshooter is definitely my favorite perk. I like the dual Deagles but a single Deagle is better because a single Deagles gets a reload speed bonus, but if you dual wield them they do not. The .44 is quite nasty, in a good way, but it does not get a reload bonus (unless they patched it in), so if you're trying to win, stick to the M14 or the Lever Action.EDIT: Tripwire patched these. Berserker is the worst Perk in the game by far. Even at max level it's still only effective up to wave 6. Melee weapons suck, and if you want the big speed boost you're better off playing Medic. Medic is the best tank class by the way, at max level you can just stand in front of Fleshpounds and Scrakes while they tickle you. Mountain Pass is a great solo map but it's easy to get swarmed on the highway in multiplayer, plus there really isn't a good place to fight the Patriarch. West London is the most beginner friendly map in the game. It's basically just a big circle so it's easy to kite no matter what class you are. I suggest you stick to a very small pool of maps until you find success. Try to play only maps made by Tripwire, the community-made maps tend to be more difficult. When I first started I played West London exclusively until I got the hang of the game. If your GF absolutely refuses to play with others, playing in public servers without her to get better at the game is really your only choice, but I see why she might get upset if you play without her. The choice is up to you, as I am totally inept when it comes to women.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jan 31, 2012 14:04:55 GMT -5
My steam is "LegitBeastin" . Totally up for KF bros. PS: LODS EMONE
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Post by Usagi on Feb 12, 2012 10:27:51 GMT -5
I haven't been able to play for the past week or so bros. I can't connect to any servers even though plenty show up in my server browser. I can still play solo but it's just not as much fun. Can anybro help a bro out?
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Post by mannon on Feb 12, 2012 13:50:04 GMT -5
hmm... Maybe those servers haven't forwarded their ports? That's the only times I've had that problem. I only play on private games where I or someone I know host and we had to forward the ports the game tells you to or the games weren't joinable.
Haven't played much lately. We've been hoping my brother would get the game, but he picked up Skyrim so... >,> ;p
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Post by Usagi on Feb 14, 2012 15:11:33 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that every server doesn't have their ports forwarded. There are always people on the servers so this must not be the case (I think). BTW, Killing Floor is on sale for $3 on Steam as of this morning for anyone who was thinking about picking it up.
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Post by mannon on Feb 15, 2012 2:23:36 GMT -5
THANK YOU for mentioning that! I never really notice when it goes on sale. I'll be pimping it out to my brother and anyone we know that plays PC games. ;p
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Mar 1, 2012 14:31:40 GMT -5
Did you try uninstalling then reinstalling the game? That worked for me when I couldn't play Solo.
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Post by mannon on Mar 4, 2012 14:42:00 GMT -5
I'm currently playing this game with my girlfriend most evenings. We usually play two long games on beginner which takes us about an hour and a half. Though I'm starting to itch to move up to normal as neither of us are really even challenged anymore by beginner. It's all we can do to keep ourselves in check so that we don't hog all the kills, in fact. ;3 But normal is still pretty hard for us and we haven't tried it much because it's not fun losing. (So far we have managed to get to the Patriarch a few times, though usually with a few deaths along the way in our party, but the Patriarch always kills us outright.)
At any rate I'm wondering if any bros would care to play with us. I still don't know if I can convince her, but I know she is getting a little bored of just the two of us and occasionally a third in our friend Ethan. We usually play around 10pm Central. If any bros are interested and wouldn't mind playing with a couple players who are still beginners, though not total noobs just hit me up or add me.
In fact any bros are welcome to add me. Steam name = mannonc
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Post by Usagi on Mar 8, 2012 8:40:14 GMT -5
I got it to work again, turns out it was the firewall on my router. I made a DMZ for my computer and now it woks fine.
I'd be happy to play with you mannon, although you might have to play a bit earlier. I live in the Eastern time zone so 10 pm where you are is 11 pm where I am, and because of classes I try to be in bed by 11 if I have classes the next day. Is that your Nickname or your Steam ID? I need you ID to add you.
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Post by raxcoswell on Mar 9, 2012 0:32:11 GMT -5
I got it to work again, turns out it was the firewall on my router. I made a DMZ for my computer and now it woks fine. What's this btw? Currently having router firewall issues w/a different game and am curious as to how you fixed it on topic - i now own this and am up for playing. New and v bad! Playing sharpshooter and support specialist currently. What should I be doing wrt classes? Levelling one up then moving on? Bit of everything? (those level ups are loooooong) Any classes I want to be focusing on? Also been a little bit of medic and commando.
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Post by Usagi on Mar 12, 2012 11:23:27 GMT -5
raxcoswellTo be honest, I don't really know. I'm not really a computer nerd, but I know enough to get by. A friend of mine helped me out so I'm sorry that I can't help you. I would suggest going to the official forums of the game you're playing and find a tech support thread. That's always the first thing I do. Anyway, regarding help in KF, first read my posts above if you haven't already. The tips I listed are for all players. Since you seem to be focused mainly on class selection, the most important tip I can give you is pick your class based on the map you're playing. I cannot stress enough how important this is. Picking your class based on the map is arguably the most important skill you need, aiming aside. This is mostly common sense though, no tremendous feats of logic needed here. Just as an exercise, I give you a list of maps and you tell me which class is best and give me your reasoning. Keep in mind that more than one class can appropriate on one map. 1. West London 2. Biotics Lab 3. Mountain Pass 4. Manor 5. Offices
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Post by mannon on Mar 13, 2012 3:50:26 GMT -5
I'm still kind of a scrub since my friends and myself have yet to complete a full game on normal difficulty due to the HUGE jump in challenge, though we have made it to the Patriarch. (He's pretty much slaughtered us every time. Need a good place we can pipe bomb his ass, but still survive through the other waves.) I've been playing and leveling a while, though so I'll weigh in.
First off I won't quite say I disagree with Usagi, but I'm not totally down for the Map X = Perk A, B, & C. I think it gets a little more complicated for two main reasons. Firstly lots of maps are not exactly homogeneous. In other words there are plenty of maps that have a variety of open areas, choke points, and both long and short sightlines. So it's not just a matter of what map, but what strategy you'll employ on that map and in what areas. For example in West London do you try to kite in the streets or hole up in the church? Those are two very different scenarios. For another thing I thought at first that the weapons were strait up linear upgrades over each other like in Dead Frontier where more expensive generally means better gun. But even though there are some cases of that I've found that in many cases the cheaper weapons may excel in certain areas. In other words not all the weapons for a given perk work exactly the same way, particularly for sharpshooter, support, firebug, and demolition. Heck I'd even lump in berserker considering the chainsaw is vastly different from the other weapons. Medic and Commando are sort of the exceptions since their weapons for the most part don't do anything unique. (Though the AK has irons instead of a sight so I guess that's some variety.) Taking a different loadout can really change how you play your class.
That's not to say you should ignore the map. Actually it's that much more important to think it through. Consider your map and what strategy you and your team might employ on the map, then decide on what perk to take and how to build it out to work for that situation. Honestly I don't think there are any maps where any of the perks are completely useless. I think there's a valid way to play each perk on each map, with the right team, loadout, and strategy.
As an example a firebug can really seem to shine with nice chokepoints to light on fire whole clumps of enemies, but open maps work well too since you can pop or burst fire the mac10 and light 'em up at long range to take loads of damage over time while they try to cross the distance. Sharpshooters obviously excel at long range firefights sniping off targets at a distance, but can also be massively powerful with a short to medium range choke and a pair of hand cannons to kill off specimens with loads of headshots. Demolition generally needs some range or he'll blow himself up, but you can detonate regular grenades around corners and if a teammate can act as a distraction you can blast away fairly safely unless friendly fire is turned on. There are quite a few options, though you have to sort of learn by trial and error how much you can carry to know what weapons you can mix.
As for levelling up perks. I think it's best to mix pushing a perk you enjoy and trying them out. If you really knew that all you ever cared about was Sharpshooter then I guess you'd be best off just sticking to it, but leveling up works pretty much like RPG's in that the higher levels take that much longer to attain them. Sticking to one perk too long usually makes it feel like a horrible grind. I don't recommend it. Instead push for a level or two in something you think you like a lot, then just go play the others for a while for fun without worrying about leveling. It also helps you learn the perks and how they play, and you never know, you might enjoy one of them even more than you thought. I usually swap between just playing what I think is fun at the moment to working on whichever perk I think is closest to it's next level, though with a bias towards what I find most fun.
Also, playing with friends can be a huge help. I usually try to create some sort of synergy with whatever my GF is doing at the time. For example when she wanted to work on berserker I decided to go medic. I basically just healed and let her kill everything and she didn't use body armor except for the boss. I think I got more than half of level 4 that way and she got tons of melee damage since I only killed stuff when it was a nuisance or a threat.
(It almost broke the game in an odd way. We generally pushed me back into a corner with her out front so they'd aggro her, but not get between us and prevent my healing her. With two medic guns and the needle I could outheal pretty much anything on beginner as long as I could heal her. The specimens got all packed up and had trouble getting to her or through doors. It was weird. Sometimes made it hard for her to kill them.)
Also don't be above doing some off perk leveling. For example I almost never played medic until working on level 4 because it's fairly pointless on beginner. With body armor players don't need medics to keep them alive so it's kind of a waist to use the perk. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't heal them. NINJA HEAL! You do more healing when you heal each other instead of yourselves, and you gain medic XP, regardless of what perk you're using. So my GF and I try to never heal ourselves unless we absolutely have to, and I ninja heal her pretty much anytime her health is below 100% and I'm not otherwise occupied, though usually just healing her at the trader is enough. I got to level 3 almost exclusively on off perk healing. I also have been known to pickup a bullpup for a backup weapon and pick off stalkers to support commando, and I'm not above switching to my pistol and headshotting dudes which counts towards sharpshooter regardless of what perk you're actually using. It's sort of a secondary XP source, especially for classes where damage counts since those perks get damage bonuses, but it's gonna happen whether you plan for it or not so you might as well take advantage.
Keep with the leveling. The perks don't really come into their own until leveled up. That's when they start to shine and really show their differences.
No real suggestions on what to focus on other than try to find a balance between what's fun, and what works. They're not always the same thing, but try to grab the best overlap you can. Personally I couldn't stand berserker for a long time, but once we had more experience and thus I wasn't quite so on my own and I got the hang of taking off heads with the chainsaw I started to enjoy it a bit more, though it's still only level 2.
I would also say... When you can... it's probably best to move up to normal. My GF and I have not had good experiences with the difficulty curve (more like sheer cliff, there really should be a level between beginner and normal... it'd almost be better not to play beginner as it gives you completely false expectations for how normal will play). Anyway, at this point my GF and I are both so nonthreatened by beginner that we have to purposefully try to balance out the kills so we both gain XP since either one of us could solo the entire game on beginner. On normal there's not only more specimens, but they have more health. That means you and your teammates will be busier, but you'll also be doing more damage and getting more kills per game, and that means much faster leveling... Provided of course, that you manage to hold out. It's just sooooo much harder! lol Though I think my GF and I may be almost ready now.
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Post by mannon on Mar 13, 2012 23:16:07 GMT -5
Yay we finally killed the patriarch on Normal! ;3 West London medium game as Pyro and Support. Church worked well. Was hard to get our gear up until late, but flamethrower and AA12 cut through pretty much everything. We couldn't kill him until he stopped running away, but it's all good. ;3
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Post by Usagi on Mar 14, 2012 23:29:31 GMT -5
Well done bro! ;D Although I must say Support and Firebug are a weird combo, but if you think about it they go together pretty well. MAC10 semi-auto for Zeds at long range, then cut through them like butter with a shotty of your choosing. Wordy bastard indeed. You've learned a hell of a lot. So much that I'm surprised at how little success you're having (but what sweet, sweet success it is ). Generally there's only one place on the map that you should hold up at. BTW the church in West London is a really bad place to hold up, too cramped. Stick with the big tunnel opposite the spawn. I'm so proud of you. <-- manly tears
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Post by mannon on Mar 15, 2012 1:17:51 GMT -5
The tunnel kinda worked when we had three players but got fubar very quickly trying to hold them off from both ends with just the two of us. The church worked well if we welded the back door and killed everything at the choke. Usually the back door would hold out until nearly the end and then we would either retreat to the back of the church or shoot our way out one of the doors and finish the wave in the street.
I think normal was such a pain that we kinda gave up on it and really we haven't played it much at all since then. In the meantime we have learned a lot and leveled up a good bit too so yay! It's still a challenge, but hell we didn't even die and although it was tense it was a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to bumping up more.
Yeah I guess Firebug + Support does seem odd, but it kinda worked out. She actually used the flamethrower instead of mac10, (though I did make her buy a mac10 for backup vs husks since they take forever and a day with flamethrower). Generally the flamethrower was pretty good at killing off all the little stuff and it helped crisp up the big dudes to make them easier to kill. Shotty of course is good for crowds and as long as it's not half empty is also pretty damn good at high DPS for the scrakes and fleshpounds. (I also stacked grenades for the fleshpounds so they were usually pretty easy.)
She went with Firebug because she's been doing quite well with it lately and I mainly wanted an answer to scrakes and fleshpounds but was unsure of my ability to headshot them reliably when the shit hit the fan. I think our perks are probably the main reason the tunnel wasn't so great for us since we were both using weapons that work best when you can choke down the horde and hit a bunch at the same time, though mac10 is pretty boss at range with a firebug.
Anyway, good times.
And yeah... I don't lie about being a wordy bastard. lol I try to tl;dr myself fairly often, but... yeah... ;p
I do have a question. I haven't really played medic much because in Beginner it's basically pointless except for strait up powerleveling, but in Normal I feel like I need to contribute more offensive power for the team. I can't just hang back and heal my GF, we'll die horribly. Not that she's bad, she's okay, but I don't think she can handle doing all the killing herselvf with any perk. Also the medic guns themselves are kinda rubbish since they go out of ammo in about 2 seconds.
So... my question is. How do you play a medic effectively with a small (usually 2, maybe 3) team? Should I consider getting some off perk weapons? Handcannons, mebbe? Should I buy both medic guns to max out my healing or just one and something meatier? I'm not even sure how much I can carry, not much I assume.
I'd kinda like to play medic and it's my only level 4 perk, but as yet still not sure how to play medic (on Normal) and us not die horribly.
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Post by SheWolf on Mar 15, 2012 5:10:19 GMT -5
@ medic: you don't. since the medic doesn't get any damage bonuses, you will get manhandled really quickly, no matter how quick you can heal. the main improvement the medic gets by leveling up is the speed in wich he can spam healing stuff. wich is nice for large groups, but if it's just the two of you, you don't need all that additional capacity. you need bad people to go dead, and quick. and that just won't happen with that puny mp5 and no damage bonus whatsoever.
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Post by Usagi on Mar 15, 2012 10:25:48 GMT -5
Mannon, playing Medic with such a small group isn't exactly the best choice for a perk. If you really want to, here's what you should do.
As SheWolf said, Medic doesn't get any damage or reload bonuses to any weapons. This is both a good thing and a bad thing. On the bad side, the Medic isn't proficient with any weapons obviously. The good thing about that is that you can use any gun you want without suffering the cost of not using a gun that suits your perk choice, making weapon choice for a Medic a jack of all trades, master of none affair. I suggest you pick a weapon that lets you use the Medic's huge movement speed bonus to your advantage, e.g. powerful weapons with long reloads. The Xbow is usually my go-to gun for a Medic. The Xbow is very expensive however, mostly because of it's ammo, so a better route would be to ask your partners to buy you a gun that they get a discount on. The downside of all of this is that you need to be very good shot and very comfortable using all weapons, which I don't think you are at this point. (no offense, bro.)
The second point is one that I sort of made earlier. Because of the Medic's big speed boost, and not having any damage bonuses to any weapons, it's best to keep moving and using your speed to your advantage. However, you run the risk of leaving your partners in the dust, something which is very bad for a perk that relies on helping teammates.
The third point, which is a big one, is to use yourself as a human shield. The Medic has ridiculously powerful armor. Whenever I play Medic, I throw myself in front of any Scrake or Fleshpound that is running towards my teammates. The result: the Scrake/Fleshpound is dead, my teammates took no damage, and I walk away with little more than a scratch. Plus, your big discount on armor makes it painless to repair you armor, which is VERY important. You only get more powerful armor, and once it is gone you're as vulnerable as a newborn, but that's what your speed bonus is for. When using this strategy the MP5M becomes quite capable because you can spray at the Scrake/Fleshpound that's playing pattycake with your intestines and get 64 headshots in a row, but you'll spend most of your mag doing so.
You should be focusing more on healing your teammates, and only going on the offensive when your bros are in deep shit. Hope this helps bro.
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Post by mannon on Mar 16, 2012 11:33:47 GMT -5
hmmm... Yeah I probably should use the body armor to tank some damage, but I see the point. I was hoping there was a way of playing medic in small teams but it's looking like it's really not a very good option.
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