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Post by brightknight141 on Dec 24, 2011 4:02:42 GMT -5
So I've been a big COD player (over 20 days played over last 2 cods) and I was wondering what basic things I should know before jumping in to BF3. Although I don't have it yet, I will most likely be getting it in a few weeks after exams are over. So basically, I'm wondering if 1) I should buy the game 2) if I should buy this game, what a large differences between BF3 and COD 3)General all around tips 4) more tips involving shotties/snipers cuz thats what I plan to do. If this should be moved to the Hey, Guy then somebody do that You are my bro,bro
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Post by turdferguson on Dec 24, 2011 10:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by mrite on Dec 24, 2011 11:40:00 GMT -5
With the snipers the bolts are not useful for anything other than extreme ranges, as that is the only place that they can really outdo the high damage semi-auto's. In addition the only differences between the pump and semi/full auto shotguns is the spread, otherwise the damage per pellet is equivalent for all. That said, if you want to try to play a special ops role ( the general place for one who likes snipers and shotties) you should be using the support class and it's unlimited C4 for the shotties, and MAV abuse for the sniper class with close range semi autos. If you really want to try to use the bolts just ritually aim for the head and prepare to get frustrated by lag and bad hitboxes.
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Post by dog on Dec 24, 2011 15:18:22 GMT -5
1. Really depends on you 2. Other than vehicles, BF's infantry maneuverability is much more restricted compared to CoD.
Got bored of CoD. Gave BFBC2 & BF3 a try. Found out that neither of them are my cup of tea. So I uninstalled both BFs, lend my BF3 to a friend of mine, and left my BC2 to collect dust in some lonely corner.
I think that the fact that I suck at BF contributed to my dislike against it. I mean, how fun can the game be if I spend half of my playtime waiting in the respawn menu?
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Post by slowriot on Dec 24, 2011 15:27:47 GMT -5
i will be buying BF3 soon as well, and as a long time COD player as well as BC2 and ARMA, i can tell you :V is right that player movement restriction may be what makes you love or hate the game. in other words, try it out a little first for yourself because its something you have to 'feel'.
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 24, 2011 15:46:04 GMT -5
I'm curious... What exactly are you guys referring to when you say "player movement restriction"? Run/movement speed? I mean, being able to open up your own path through buildings doesn't seem all that restricting, so I'm sure I'm just missing what you're referring to.
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Post by slowriot on Dec 24, 2011 15:50:18 GMT -5
the differences between COD player movement and battlefield movement are pretty pronounced. not easy to get used to for some. "being able to open up your own path through buildings doesn't seem all that restricting" -now im curious, what do you mean by that? the destruction of buildings?
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Post by dog on Dec 24, 2011 16:25:23 GMT -5
I'm curious... What exactly are you guys referring to when you say "player movement restriction"? Run/movement speed? I mean, being able to open up your own path through buildings doesn't seem all that restricting, so I'm sure I'm just missing what you're referring to. No lean (compared to CoD4/BO) Slow transition between stances. Inability to strafe run. etc.
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 24, 2011 16:39:15 GMT -5
Ah, I see guys, thanks. I wasn't sure exactly what you meant, so thanks for that.
It definitely is a more "cumbersome" feel, lumbering from prone to standing and whatnot, so I can see how people who are used to CoD's lightning-fast stance changes and stuff would have a hard time adjusting.
And Slowriot, I was definitely referring to destruction. I never play Recon really, so I pretty much always have a way to blow open a wall if the door is covered or if I need access to a room from behind, etc. In CoD things move so fast (movement and stuff) and the maps are so small that it's not a huge delay going from one entrance to another, but in BF3 it might take you 10 seconds of running around exposed to find the side entrance or whatever; So having the ability to "make" a door is pretty key - for my playstyle at least.
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Post by slowriot on Dec 24, 2011 17:38:27 GMT -5
destruction is Wicked Rad. battlefield is so sick it makes me cry. i love everything about that game. one day, COD, ARMA(with extreme realism like the ACE mod, where wind can have an effect on trajectories, for example, not just gravity), and BF will make love and give birth to The Best gosh darn golly gee whiz Game Ever. EDIT: always forget about the BrotiusWordFilterOfHiliarity
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Post by brightknight141 on Dec 24, 2011 19:27:41 GMT -5
Any shotgun tips? and thanks for the advice so far!
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 25, 2011 2:42:07 GMT -5
one day, COD, ARMA, and BF will make love and give birth to The Best gosh darn golly gee whiz Game Ever. Indeed, and it shall be a glorious day indeed. It's glory shines forth like a burning beacon from high atop Mount Olympus, giving us occasional glimpses of what the future might bring. I, and those like us, await this day; And when it comes we shall all rise up, and usurp the pretenders thrones, and crown The One True FPS.
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 25, 2011 2:46:47 GMT -5
Any shotgun tips? and thanks for the advice so far! Oh yea, the original topic. Uh, my advice with shotguns? Either master the 870 (which is a beast in the right situations) or wait until you get some of the later shotguns. The middle ones just kinda suck right now. Or at least until they fix the 1014 to have the smaller spread it's supposed to.
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Post by brightknight141 on Dec 25, 2011 4:20:26 GMT -5
Any shotgun tips? and thanks for the advice so far! Oh yea, the original topic. Uh, my advice with shotguns? Either master the 870 (which is a beast in the right situations) or wait until you get some of the later shotguns. The middle ones just kinda suck right now. Or at least until they fix the 1014 to have the smaller spread it's supposed to. So 870, then Dao-12, then the Saiga
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Post by brightknight141 on Dec 25, 2011 4:21:44 GMT -5
Also, what is the most useful Shotgun Ammo (Overall)
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Post by kirbyderby on Dec 25, 2011 6:58:24 GMT -5
Also, what is the most useful Shotgun Ammo (Overall) Flechette's a good general-purpose ammo, but I hear the USAS tears shit up with frag rounds.
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 25, 2011 10:52:52 GMT -5
Yea, the USAS w/ frag rounds is stupid good on the right map.
I personally wasn't a big fan of the DAO, but I know some people like it. I just roll w/ the 870, but I'll probably switch to the 1014 once they buff the spread. The USAS is too good lol.
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Post by tiesieman on Dec 26, 2011 6:36:57 GMT -5
The USAS is probably the best buckshot and without doubt the best frag round shotgun
The 870 for slugs and flechettes (flechettes are actually getting buffed to get tighter spread for all shotguns though)
All other shotguns are pretty obselete right now, thanks to weird rates of fire and not offering a big spread advantage over the fast USAS DAO is kinda usefull as a poor man's USAS-frag though
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 28, 2011 9:22:57 GMT -5
I've only used 870 so far. Like it too much to bother switching
I don't really like flechettes. The odd kill I may get at longer ranges is outweighed by the frustration of failing to kill guys up close. I didn't equip this shotgun for its range. Buckshot all the way for me. Not really given the slugs a try though.
Also, try a taclight on it. The light is mostly useless for other guns I find, and they benefit more from other attachments. You're pretty free to pick whatever you like with the 870, and the moment of hesitation you get from the torch can give you kills where you'd otherwise get deaths. Hard to measure exactly how much it helps, but in one game on metro I've made 4 of the other team switch to the 870/taclight themselves after being beaten by it.
Also shotguns are obviously situational. They're no good on certain levels. As a rush player, I like them on Operation Metro stage 2 onwards, Damavand Peak stages 1+2 (+4), Seine Crossing stages 1 + 3+4, Grand Bazaar stage 1. Don't know conquest or the new maps well enough shotgun-wise to speak on it. That's mostly when I use them, but don't be afraid to try them out elsewhere, just don't expect the world either. Also get used to using your pistol. Pick a type and stick with it (eg spammy semi autos - recommended - or the big power revolvers or w/e). Don't use the g18. Shotguns are great fun in this game.
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Post by pankrazius on Dec 28, 2011 10:36:22 GMT -5
there's already a lot of info in this thread, but looking for some advanced guide for myself i found this and figured i'd best share it with you guys: www.reddit.com/r/battlefield3/comments/npq17/the_christmas_noobs_resource_guide/lots of good stuff there (symthics site is also linked there :), but i recommend the higher level strategy discussion (even the replys are full of very usefull information). let me know when you get that same feeling as i that you have been acting by that stuff unconciously, like responding to flow, etc. enjoy
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Post by rubionubio on Dec 29, 2011 0:14:28 GMT -5
That's a great link Pankrazius, thanks for that!
Internets +1 to you sir!
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 30, 2011 6:25:21 GMT -5
Yeah those 3 big posts were pretty swizz reads, quite pleasing to read some guy talking 'with authority' about the same concepts/tactics I've roughly hammered out by myself, and giving them all names etc. Some good points etc, at least going by what chimes with my own experiences.
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Post by vulgar on Dec 30, 2011 18:32:06 GMT -5
I'm curious... What exactly are you guys referring to when you say "player movement restriction"? Run/movement speed? I mean, being able to open up your own path through buildings doesn't seem all that restricting, so I'm sure I'm just missing what you're referring to. No lean (compared to CoD4/BO) Slow transition between stances. Inability to strafe run. etc. It's sluggish in general compared to COD. Not nearly as smooth or precise. But I keep playing BF3 more than MW3 despite this. If they somehow made the movement/controls like COD, it would be the greatest game eva.
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Post by kirbyderby on Dec 30, 2011 22:17:24 GMT -5
No lean (compared to CoD4/BO) Slow transition between stances. Inability to strafe run. etc. It's sluggish in general compared to COD. Not nearly as smooth or precise. But I keep playing BF3 more than MW3 despite this. If they somehow made the movement/controls like COD, it would be the greatest game eva. I would rather not have drop-shooting in Battlefield, tyvm.
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Post by raxcoswell on Dec 31, 2011 5:21:37 GMT -5
I would have rather had it in the first 2 weeks when my muscles involuntarily made me hit the ground at the start of every fight
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Post by GoHarvard on Jan 7, 2012 15:25:08 GMT -5
I wish this game had a private match mode so new players can learn the maps and how to fly choppers etc.
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Post by rubionubio on Jan 7, 2012 22:59:37 GMT -5
I wish this game had a private match mode so new players can learn the maps and how to fly choppers etc. Just go join an empty server mate. Might take a few tries to find one that has a minimum start of 1 player, but once you do you should have it to yourself for a good while.
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Post by GoHarvard on Jan 8, 2012 3:16:03 GMT -5
I wish this game had a private match mode so new players can learn the maps and how to fly choppers etc. Just go join an empty server mate. Might take a few tries to find one that has a minimum start of 1 player, but once you do you should have it to yourself for a good while. I'm on 360, I've tried joining empty servers but they all require at least 8 players.
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Post by rubionubio on Jan 8, 2012 15:35:10 GMT -5
As soon as I posted that I just knew that you were going to say that.
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Post by raxcoswell on Jan 8, 2012 16:12:25 GMT -5
No replacement for actually doing it anyway. You can look at the map, even walk around it, and you wont really know how it plays until you play it. A lot. Same with the helicopters. You can learn how to go up and down and turn, but you'll figure that out in two minutes anyway. How to actually get stuff done and kill players, there's nothing like actually doing it. Just come to terms with the fact that you won't be totally amazing right from the start and just dive in headfirst imo.
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