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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 13:48:25 GMT -5
I've been playing CoD:BO & MW3 for the last 2 years (played CS:S before that) and I thought I'd look for a new game, especially with all the BS in MW3.
Which FPS is pretty realistic, fun (unlike AA) and plays good (like CoD)? I heard about ARMA but I'm not really sure how it is. Also I'm not sure how fun BF3 is because of the slow pace, plus I heard it's not fun when you play solo, and I usually play alone. BTW I'm on PC.
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Post by psijaka on Feb 11, 2012 14:28:06 GMT -5
Yesterday I installed BFBC2 on my new PC, and I'm having an absolute blast with it, even though I am regularly getting slaughtered by the pros (but I'll learn soon enough).
Some maps can be a bit slow, but others can be fairly intense; with great gun battles. Depends how you play the game, as well as the map. I'm not one of those wookies who will sit up on a hillside with their sniper away from the main action, or one of those nubs who will sit around at base waiting for a heli.
And the graphics are just fantastic!
Cost £11.18. Bargain. And no malign presence of Origin lurking in the background, as with BF3.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 15:01:13 GMT -5
I watched a lot of BFBC2 & BF3 gameplays on youtube today and it looks really cool, much more real and exciting than CoD, although I thought that it might not be as fun because afaik there are no killstreaks and it looks like you don't know when you're about to die and it seems so hard to stay alive.
Anyway, how does it work on PC? through Origin? I thought I would get BF3 but people say Origin is really annoying.
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Post by mannon on Feb 11, 2012 15:39:53 GMT -5
My only experience with BF3 was the beta and it was pretty frustrating at first and felt like you just died instantly at any arbitrary moment. But eventually I learned the maps and how to spot distant enemies and how to anticipate certain things and it got a lot better, plus if you ever suspect there might be an enemy looking to ambush you from a location you just aim ait it and spam the spot butt. If he's there, even behind cover, you'll spot him and put the orange wedge over his head. Then even if he's in bushes and you can't see him at all you can actually aim 100% via the orange wedge on your hud and spray him down. You'll at the very least suppress him and ruin his day if not get the kill outright.
I always ran solo. Spotting may really only come into it's own with teamplay but I found it immensely useful even as a solo player. Also you can often spot a guy and duck behind cover while your team kills him or even if he kills you watch the killcam (which in BF3 shows your enemy in 3rd person realtime instead of 1st person replay of your death) and smirk to yourself as your team kills him for you since you spotted him down before he got you.
You have to sort of recalibrate your situational awareness for BF3, but once that is done dying didn't feel any more arbitrary to me than in MW2 or BO. In fact I rather prefer the BF3 sniping because unlike CoD you actually do often have some warning in the form of the scope glint and/or a laser sight glare. Even if they still get you that feels a lot better than the first hint being a bullet through your skull.
But then, I only played the beta, and it is a totally different game in SO many ways. Still... Personally I'm more keen to pickup BF3 than MW3 when I can get the chance at some point.
I don't know any other good military arcady but not goofy shooters out right now, but I'm not really up on things since I can't afford many games lately. You might give something like Tribes: Ascend a go, though. It's in beta but you can get a key just by liking their Facebook and it's going to be free to play, but it looks like a great shooter. Yeah it's a sci-fi shooter but this is NOT a halo clone. It also doesn't suffer from consolitus like most FPS shooters these days as it is a PC exclusive (as it should be). Sadly I doubt my PC can handle it.
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Post by phale on Feb 11, 2012 16:06:34 GMT -5
If you don't care about the most up-to-date graphics and shiny features, you can go back to some of the older Tom Clancy games like Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon. Personally I played Vegas 2 and Advanced Warfighter 2; they both felt significantly more realistic than CoD and arguably more realistic than BF, and Vegas 2 at least maintains the fast-paced action of CoD. Plus, you can pick them up dirt cheap cause they're like 4 years old.
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Post by mannon on Feb 11, 2012 16:56:55 GMT -5
Sadly my favorite part of Rainbow Six was removed after the first game. ;3 I adored the planning phase. For me it was like having the best of both worlds between a tactical turn based strategy game and a tactical shooter, because it was both. I used to obsess over missions planning and replanning them. Back when I only had the demo I replayed and replanned that mission over and over until I could complete it just with Ding Chavez alone. ;3 Good times.
After that I grew less enamored of the series and find most of them pretty generic. I got a couple handed down to me on xbox, but couldn't get into them, though the one with voice was spookily cool the 30% of the time you could get it to actually acknowledge your voice commands properly.
I missed the first Vegas but played Vegas 2 with my bro and enjoyed the hell out of that. Great co-op game. I really love planning a breach with a teammate. In fact breaching is pretty much my favorite thing in RB6 as it's almost wholly unique to the series, but utterly realistic. I love having that moment to collect your thoughts and plan ahead followed by adrenaline pumping action. You don't get that in many shooters. They usually try to be all action action action action ACTION MOTHERFUCKINGACTION! There's little regard for pacing a lot of the time and that just makes me get bored of the action.
I never played any of the rainbows online, sadly. Though from what I've heard the original was pretty brutal to play online considering it kept a fairly realistic damage model for the players as well as the NPC's... unlike Vegas where you're basically superhuman, but still die fairly quickly as in most modern FPS's.
I had GRAW2 on 360 and liked it but traded it in for BO. lawl! Meh I'll prolly pick it up again at some point, it's dirt cheap and I wasn't playing it at the time.
Personally I'd love to play something like Arma that's dedicated to realism, but I'm kinda iffy on it. I dunno if it's really worth the pricetag for me when I have no idea how fun it really is to play. It could be excruciating... I had wanted to try out America's Army for the longest time but that appears to have died before I managed it. heh Oh well... I'm always behind the times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 17:12:10 GMT -5
Vegas 2 sounds epic - I love the strategic aspects of a FPS game, but haven't ran across many multiplayer games who had it. I did not play America's Army too, but I have tried it out couple of months ago after my brother told me how much he has played it back in the days. It was awful, but he really enjoyed it. ARMA sounds very professional, but I think it's more of a war game with a lot of communication and planning. It sounds like it's extremely hard to be all stealthy and sneaky with the spotting in BF, but other than that BF3 looks really fun to play, I hope I'll get a chance to buy it this week and see how it is.
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Post by mannon on Feb 11, 2012 19:54:09 GMT -5
Vegas 2 co-op with my bro was pretty damn fun. I should mention that we beat it in like two days and never played it again, though. (Although I personally would totally play through it again, preferably on a harder difficulty setting. Game feels hard at first because it's not as forgiving as lots of other shooters, but really it's not so bad and it even has regenerating health so aside from a few bang head into wall moments of punishment overall it didn't seem all that challenging and I wish we had played on hard. My bro wasn't as into it. ;p Sadly I didn't have my own xbox back then so I didn't even get any chievs. heh)
In my brief experience with BF3 beta actually being sneaky was probably a lot easier than in CoD because you actually could use bushes and foliage for camo and you have much longer distances and a far less obvious profile. Sure the spotting can make you pretty obvious but in CoD you already have the red nametags unless you're CB:Pro or Ghost:Pro. Also spotting isn't automatic in BF3 you have to press a button and while you can spam it a few times there's a cap to how many times you can spam it and then it has a cooldown so you can't just spam the horizon over and over, you have to pick a spot where you think somebody is at first and try to spot them.
The sniper scope glints are also pretty much necessary just due to the huge distances involved. It also gives snipers a reason to wait for targets before they bring up the scope. It felt more or less balanced to me going solo in that you'd be able to know where the snipers were and that they were aiming in your direction, but they are still pretty F'ing dangerous if you poke your head up unless they are suppressed and that is temporary, so unless you have a counter sniper you need to get out of their killzone somehow.
No killstreaks though that is both positive and negative in my book. The vehicles are interesting though I didn't get to play with any. I will say that I REALLY liked the attachments system because sights and scopes are a different attachment slot than your other attachments so you aren't punishing yourself for taking a reflex sight that is purely visual instead of something more functional like you are in CoD. (I do like the RDS and Holo, but I always just stick with irons in CoD for that reason which made the custom sights in BO pointless...)
As for being sneaky you do kinda have to learn by trial and error what works. There are places that would be great sneaky spots except they are just way too obviously good for that and thus everybody knows about them and they kill the noobs there all the time. You can still catch people out, though and it gets easier the more experienced you get. I never played against any well coordinated teams, though. Prolly near impossible to be sneaky there. You might ask the bros on the BF board about it since they've played the full game. I think it has many redeeming qualities. I LOVE mantling things in BF3. In CoD I feel like a poorly designed robot when I try to jump over a ledge and it sends me into a 3 minute long weaponless first person cinamatic... Okay that may be an exagerration, but it's slow and clunky and leaves you hella vulnerable. I try to never ever ever do it in multiplayer if there's an enemy within a half mile radius. But in BF3 you just whooosh over things, it's pretty awesome.
I dunno. Fun game, that's for sure.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 12, 2012 4:33:12 GMT -5
Vegas = awesome ideas, awful execution for the most part. The AI was either pretty stupid or they were dark shadowninjawarriors of the night that managed to spawn in any corner you were currently disregarding (this is mostly for the terrorist hunt mode though, which is basically a horde mode). Online was meh-ish thanks to it being prone for major lag. It's probably deserted anyway
For now, BF3 is most likely the way to go for an active FPS. Just try to be a little less concentrated on the amount of kills you rack and you should be fine. The statistic that's probably the "best" representive of skill in any battlefield is score per minute / SPM; though even that is kinda skewed since some people who only play on 64-man servers on small maps ought to have a higher SPM than others. But you can't be K/D-minded when you're SPM-minded, right?
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Post by psijaka on Feb 14, 2012 15:49:24 GMT -5
My only experience with BF3 was the beta and it was pretty frustrating at first and felt like you just died instantly at any arbitrary moment. But eventually I learned the maps and how to spot distant enemies and how to anticipate certain things and it got a lot better, plus if you ever suspect there might be an enemy looking to ambush you from a location you just aim ait it and spam the spot butt. If he's there, even behind cover, you'll spot him and put the orange wedge over his head. Then even if he's in bushes and you can't see him at all you can actually aim 100% via the orange wedge on your hud and spray him down. You'll at the very least suppress him and ruin his day if not get the kill outright. I always ran solo. Spotting may really only come into it's own with teamplay but I found it immensely useful even as a solo player. Also you can often spot a guy and duck behind cover while your team kills him or even if he kills you watch the killcam (which in BF3 shows your enemy in 3rd person realtime instead of 1st person replay of your death) and smirk to yourself as your team kills him for you since you spotted him down before he got you. You have to sort of recalibrate your situational awareness for BF3, but once that is done dying didn't feel any more arbitrary to me than in MW2 or BO. In fact I rather prefer the BF3 sniping because unlike CoD you actually do often have some warning in the form of the scope glint and/or a laser sight glare. Even if they still get you that feels a lot better than the first hint being a bullet through your skull. But then, I only played the beta, and it is a totally different game in SO many ways. Still... Personally I'm more keen to pickup BF3 than MW3 when I can get the chance at some point. I don't know any other good military arcady but not goofy shooters out right now, but I'm not really up on things since I can't afford many games lately. You might give something like Tribes: Ascend a go, though. It's in beta but you can get a key just by liking their Facebook and it's going to be free to play, but it looks like a great shooter. Yeah it's a sci-fi shooter but this is NOT a halo clone. It also doesn't suffer from consolitus like most FPS shooters these days as it is a PC exclusive (as it should be). Sadly I doubt my PC can handle it. Have you played BF BC2 mannon? I bought it dirt cheap back in October only to find that my lame laptop couldn't handle it. But now that I have a half decent gaming PC I'm having a great time with it (when I'm not involved with the Firefall Beta, that is ). Still plenty of active servers around, and great maps. I would kind of like to know how BF3 compares with BC2. I was totally taken by early youtube footage of Caspian, but don't really like the idea of having to put up with the malign presence of Origin. Or paying top dollar for it when I am enjoying BC2 so much. Is it worth it, in other words?
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Post by psijaka on Feb 14, 2012 15:59:15 GMT -5
I watched a lot of BFBC2 & BF3 gameplays on youtube today and it looks really cool, much more real and exciting than CoD, although I thought that it might not be as fun because afaik there are no killstreaks and it looks like you don't know when you're about to die and it seems so hard to stay alive. Anyway, how does it work on PC? through Origin? I thought I would get BF3 but people say Origin is really annoying. BFBC2 is Origin free, I'm glad to say. BF3 requires Origin for multiplayer. I just so much prefer BF to COD. Even BF Play4Free had a much more serious feel to it, despite it being so ruthlessly Pay2Win (ruined by drastic changes in Dec - don't even think about going there - I've learnt my lesson). In BF i just feel as if I am involved in a much more realistic battle than COD, and the classes are much more designed with teamwork in mind. I don't miss Killstreaks at all, and they jsut keep getting more stupid in COD, IMO. Juggernauts for goodness sake! And they only encourage selfish play. There seems to be less of a focus on K/D in BF as well, winning the match seems much more important than worrying about K/D slipping 0.01. Some of my best moments in BF are when I sacrifice myself by laying mines under the tracks of that troublesome tank capping a flag, or using C4 against tanks in a suicide attack.
I would also encourage Bros to sign up for the Firefall Beta; something a bit different, and the game has great promise. www.firefallthegame.com/home
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Post by mannon on Feb 15, 2012 2:38:03 GMT -5
Mebbe I should check it out. I'm particularly interested in the MMOish aspects, though I doubt my PC can run it until I get a new video card.
Then again I used to really like Planetfall and the sequel is coming!!! >,< *hopeitdoesn'tsuckhopeitdoesn'tsuck!* Also I think Planetfall is going play for free like tribes... really hope it's not gonna be pay to win like BFP4F...
MMO + FPS is just yummy, but there are so few games to do it decently. I tried out CrimeCraft on Steam because it was free and uuhhggg.... Didn't like that at all. It doesn't even qualify as MMO if you ask me it just gives you an in game hub for launching matchmaking battles... bleh. Didn't much care for the actual combat either. In fact... it was actually 3rd person to boot. I always raise an eyebrow at games that give you first person style shooting and combat but then force you to play in third person. It rarely seems to work very well and generally seems unnecessary. GoW is a bit of an exception because of the emphasis on using cover. That is the game's primary gimmick and they really do hit you over the head with it, repeatedly. But I actually rather liked it so I didn't mind so much. (Though I've only played the 1st one so far. *shrug* Funny story, my sister's BF plays GoW3 with his friends and they wand to go all tryhard and do tournaments. I'm like... GoW tournaments? lol That's even sillier than CoD. *doubleshrug*)
I've completely lost my train of thought by now... Oh yeah heading over to see if a looser like me can get in the Firefall beta.
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Post by -3055- on May 3, 2012 13:25:35 GMT -5
.......perfect dark..?
I literally played that since I was 5. I wouldn't say I was amazing at it, but.... heh. I'm pretty damn good.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on May 5, 2012 18:29:07 GMT -5
Doom 3
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Post by mannon on May 7, 2012 14:10:09 GMT -5
tl;dr Couldn't get into Doom 3 for being attacked constantly from behind no matter what you do.
Doom 3 bugged the hell out of me. I only played a little of it, but I was really annoyed that it played nothing like Doom. I don't really appreciate monsters magically (okay so they came out of some vent) appearing behind me on scripted triggers. That just ticks me off. When I clear an area I like it to stay clear... generally speaking. Or for there at least to be a system to it.
For example Bioshock respawns enemies so you can clear an entire map and new enemies will keep popping up if you hang around. But they don't spawn within line of sight of you and you pretty much always can hear them stomping around or muttering to themselves from miles away.
I dunno... Doom 3 just ticked me off. On the one hand I'm not that big on being scared in games. It's too immersive. Movies never really scare me anymore, but even fucking Minecraft can scare me if I think I'm perfectly safe and then SUDDENLY CREEPER! ;p But I do appreciate horror in games. In fact I think (some) games have done horror a lot better than movies have lately. But I don't think that's it...
I think what I don't like about Doom 3 is I don't know how to play it. Usually in FPS games I carefully exterminate every single enemy clearing each area before moving on. I'm methodical about it. An encounter may get pretty crazy, but once I kill them off I know it'll be quiet until I move on again and I'll know which direction to be watching. I don't like getting attacked from behind. In fact that's my #1 complaint about CoD and the reason I prefer Dom to TDM. At least then there's some structure to the spawning. In Doom 3 you are GUARANTEED to be attacked from behind over, and over, and over.... It got old and I quit playing it. ;p
In fact it's almost so bad it seems like anytime it's all quiet you'd actually be better off just facing backwards as you progress so that you're already facing the monster that will inevitably appear behind you.
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