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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Feb 26, 2012 21:05:33 GMT -5
The AS VAL, my personal favorite gun in BF3, is becoming a whole new weapon after the patch, basically:
Positives:
-Addition of Extended Mags -First shot multiplier mega-reduced from 2.0 to 0.5
Negatives:
-Vertical recoil increased -Strafe-shooting goes from bad to terrible - ADS move spread min goes from 1.0 to 1.5 -Range dropped from 8 - 50 to 6 - 40 -Center speed dropped from 22 to 18
Neutral:
-Min damage increased from 16.7 to 18.4 - not enough to impact TTK or BTK, so essentially does almost nothing
What do you guys think? are all those nerfs worth those 2 new positives? Is the gun getting overall better or worse? Will you even use it anymore?
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Post by didjeridu on Feb 26, 2012 22:15:46 GMT -5
Only reason I liked it was as a non-crap alternative to carbines. Now that it's getting an overall downgrade and the SCAR is usable again, I don't care for it as much. Plus the VAL will likely retain having one attachment slot, so using extended is just as bad as it is good. In my opinion, the VAL needs the laser pretty bad, and the fast reload speed makes the 10 extra rounds not necessary anyway.
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Post by fazzmania on Feb 26, 2012 23:01:15 GMT -5
It's not a downgrade, have you guys seen how crisp the shot placement charts look?
Don't forget the grip is getting an overall nerf and the VAL doesn't have it. 50% more clip is amazing.
At the end of the day, the VAL is a tactical weapon that excels at crouched bursts, not at ramboing around like you would with an AR. Don't forget it's an all-kit weapon.
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 27, 2012 5:25:01 GMT -5
"@somedudeontwitter: You never achieve the full 1.5, as it's a linear relationship between min and max speed. So it'll be like 0,75"
From Demize himself about the val on twitter. Don't ask me how this works, and if this goes for other weapons, but 0,75 doesn't sound bad
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Post by mrite on Feb 29, 2012 17:46:04 GMT -5
does anyone else think the first shot multiplier change is a ridiculously large buff?
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Post by tiesieman on Feb 29, 2012 17:56:04 GMT -5
does anyone else think the first shot multiplier change is a ridiculously large buff? I think 0,5 is (a big) typo. It probably should be 1,5; still a buff but not as big
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Mar 1, 2012 21:35:35 GMT -5
"@somedudeontwitter: You never achieve the full 1.5, as it's a linear relationship between min and max speed. So it'll be like 0,75" From Demize himself about the val on twitter. Don't ask me how this works, and if this goes for other weapons, but 0,75 doesn't sound bad that was actually me that he replied to on twitter, lol does anyone else think the first shot multiplier change is a ridiculously large buff? I think 0,5 is (a big) typo. It probably should be 1,5; still a buff but not as big I don't think it's a typo. 0.5 does seem appropriate for the AS VAL to be honest... it is a considerable buff, the the v-recoil is going up to 0.4 (to put that in perspective, F2000 is 0.3) and the center speed is also being reduced at the same time from 22 to 18. So anything more than 3 or 4 full-auto shots from the AS VAL will be near uncontrollable. Then combine that with the 1.5 strafing ADS spread, the gun will only be good for short, stationary bursts. Anything outside of that will suck. Remember the bullet velocity on the AS VAL is the slowest in the game at 300m/s, with its bullets disappearing at 450m, so it's hardly even good for counter-sniping.
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Post by rudybojangles on Mar 2, 2012 12:42:58 GMT -5
If you aren't within 450m of a sniper, you may just be doing it wrong with the VAL
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