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Post by LeGitBeeSting on May 27, 2012 21:45:39 GMT -5
Where those fire rates I posted correct? :3
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Post by tiesieman on May 28, 2012 1:52:07 GMT -5
So are these the correct RoF? M1014-210 Saiga 12K-200 DAO-220 USAS-275 (I heard it was reduced slightly but not sure) How much more accurate does the LAZOR make you're shotty again? These are right and I'll add some 870MCS- 109 (for some reason it's slightly faster with buckshot; I think 100) MK3A1- 255 I think semi auto frags is 180 for all shotguns, and 220 for autos. Not 100% sure though Not sure where you're pulling that garbage from. It's never taken me more than 3-4 shots to kill with any shotgun (excluding frags, but that's another story). And quite frankly, your 10, or 8 if you want, shot argument makes no logical sense whatsoever. Even assuming through some unholy luck you only hit with one pellet per shot at max range, the most it would take to kill someone is 7-8 shots. And you'd have to be downright stupid to engage with a buck/flechette shotgun at that kind of range. I can only assume you're trying to divide shots fired by kills and accuracy. That doesn't work at all. For one, it doesn't take into account any time you wound an enemy and don't get credit for the kill, or die in the process. Second, it doesn't take into account any time you fire the weapon without an enemy target. Lastly, I can only assume given the ridiculous shot number that shotguns count each pellet as a shot. I do love me some shotguns, but there's no way I've fired every shotgun 5000+ times each. Edit: And for the record, I don't touch Touch. Yeah, in BC2 some shotguns (or maybe only the SPAS-12) counted each pellet as an individual shot so your accuracy always sucked Here's my current 870MCS stats Kills 149 Headshots 18 ShotsFired 849 Accuracy % 84.8 And my Xbox account Kills 792 Headshots 123 ShotsFired 9205 Accuracy % 35.4 (I think I randomly fired alot, cause I don't think you can account 50% extra accuracy to pc master race ) I'm still not saying I think shotguns are particularly strong but in no way can you need 8 unless you're engaging things you should not engage. The m1014s stat tracking might be borked or didj just fires at the sun alot (which is understandable ) Right now, slugs are the best option anyway. Buckshot and flechette even more are so hurt by the suppression that your complete shot can miss, even with these blunderbuss-shotguns (which kind of shows how ridiculous suppression is right now). Slugs are hurt too of course, but they're much more reliable as long as stay a bit back and you can hurt stuff outside of 10 metres
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Post by Marvel4 on May 28, 2012 2:14:58 GMT -5
870MCS- 109 (for some reason it's slightly faster with buckshot; I think 100) 100 is slightly faster than 109? I think it's 120 with buckshot.
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Post by tiesieman on May 28, 2012 3:26:00 GMT -5
870MCS- 109 (for some reason it's slightly faster with buckshot; I think 100) 100 is slightly faster than 109? I think it's 120 with buckshot. I just woke up, bear with me
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Post by didjeridu on May 28, 2012 9:20:52 GMT -5
But that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Compare shotguns to automatic weapons and you'll see how useless they are, since you need the same or more shots to kill someone at a much lower rate of fire and much lower range. Maybe that's the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't come across that way at all. Yeah, in a worst case scenario, pellet shotguns are crap; especially considering that this is BF, and large(er) maps are the name of the game. Still, at optimal range, it requires up to 3 shots, depending on how unlucky you are. And just one glance at buckshot's max damage shows you how lethal it can be. It's not the norm, but you can still easily OHK people with shotguns, with no "aim" required. 10 shots is just a ludicrous thing to claim. I do believe that shotgun stats are/were borked though. At launch, the only shotguns I used were the 870 and M1014. They had crap accuracy, even though I hit with the majority of my shots. After a patch or two, I finished off the rest of the shotguns. My playstyle and aim never changed, yet the rest easily had absurd levels of accuracy. To this day, my M26 still has 100%+. I've used the 870 and M1014 a lot since then, and they're not even close to the accuracy my other shotguns have. But anyway, yes, automatic weapons are almost always better. I don't know about other people, but I use shotguns because they're fun, not because they're effective. Likewise I use the M1014 because I like the shotgun itself, not because it's any good. And I find that with the new suppression, all type of shotgun are awful now. For pellets, your spread goes through the roof, and you'll be lucky to land 1-2 pellets per shot regardless of range. For slugs/frags, you get the sniper rifle effect. You rely on that one projectile, and that one projectile now shoots sideways. Good luck with that.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on May 28, 2012 21:08:49 GMT -5
I think it's 120 with buckshot. You have changed my life....
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Post by tiesieman on May 31, 2012 12:41:26 GMT -5
> Improved the recoil and accuracy of the M26 to match the 870. > Reduced the impact suppression has on shotguns. Shotguns are still affected by Suppression but it should no longer significantly impact their accuracy from the hip as it previously did. > The 870’s pump speed has been increased slightly from 0.55 seconds to 0.48 seconds. The empty reload time for the 870 has also been reduced slightly. > Improved the accuracy of aimed shotguns when on the move. > The Saiga’s recoil has been reduced. > The M1014 now fires 10 projectiles. The other semi auto shotguns have 9 pellets, and since the M1014 has a lower mag size and a slower reload it now fires 10 pellets to give it some edge. > The USAS-12 now fires 7 projectiles. > The MK3A1 now fires 8 projectiles. > Fixed so the weapon’s fire mode is saved between spawns.
My god, Demize really hates shotguns doesn't he
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on May 31, 2012 13:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by tiesieman on May 31, 2012 13:43:59 GMT -5
They didn't, but they were supposed to have though. They probably forgot it.
The USAS and MK3A1 are both horrible now. Less accurate as well as less damage. Let's see if there's any unmentioned changes (the last patch was full of them)
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Post by didjeridu on Jun 14, 2012 20:47:15 GMT -5
Digging up a subject to provide info. I know for a fact now that the shots fired stat in Battlelog is borked, and it seems it isn't limited to shotguns. As an example, lookie here (I think this link works for people other than me, and I don't think I'll be using the SCAR much anytime soon): battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/Didjeridu/iteminfo/scar-l/236670853/pc/Just got done using it, killed 3 guys quickly and shot at another, for a total time used of 1m 8s (including running around). At a guess, I have fired a maximum of 30 rounds. Only 3 kills, and given the lolaccuracy of a gun still in its virgin state, there's no possible way I've fired 98 shots.
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