wittyscorpion
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 14, 2012 2:22:30 GMT -5
(Note: this is an effort for a collaboration based map guide. All I am doing is to start the thread and include an overhead map with callouts. Hopefully other bros can chime in by posting their insights using the callouts, and organically grow this thread into a useful discussion). Hardpoint locations:
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wittyscorpion
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 14, 2012 4:49:51 GMT -5
This map is one of my most favorite map, but it does not seem to be the case for other players. Any bros here also like it?
IMHO, it is well designed by melting many different design elements together into one smooth map. Players with different styles / weapon choices can all fit in.
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Post by wwaa on Dec 14, 2012 5:16:55 GMT -5
Nice map, in my BO2 top 3 probably. Feels like a “classic COD” map, comparing to MW3:Downturn or Interchange for example.
I prefer “Sculpture” and “Middle” areas, but feel good anywhere ... comparing to Interchange where I feel I am at wrong spot regardless where I am.
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Dec 14, 2012 10:09:37 GMT -5
I like it. I can snipe on it, I can run around with an SMG. Might be my favorite map. I think it's the only one I ever actually vote for. Every other map I end up voting for random, which is pretty sad, even in MW3 I had preferences, I wasn't in love with the maps but still I'd have Seatown, Resistance, Lockdown, and maybe Hardhat which were pretty decent and would get my votes. From the DLC Black Box was pretty fun, Sniper + FMG Akimbo style sitrep domination of the house at the top.
This game though... Grr. I really hope the map packs are good.
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Post by Shakerag on Dec 14, 2012 12:46:08 GMT -5
Another map I like. Expect Middle to be hot nonstop. Lobbing grenades south from Patio over the wall (or southwest toward the stairs from Tub) is frequently rewarded. NOPE is often camped.
Gallery and Laundy attrack campers frequently, as well as the nook southwest of Coke. Strangely, I don't often see anyone in Bedroom Top.
I hate hanging around B Dom, because those pillars really fuck up your sight, so it's hard to tell what's going on in Middle.
You can sneak around Laundry to the east, but it's not exactly a secret. The area west of Garage is almost never frequented from what I see, and is a good way to get in or out of Garage depending on circumstances. Also a good area to drop care packages as long as you're careful.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 14, 2012 13:11:14 GMT -5
Not my favourite map, but lots of nice nooks and crannys to make it interesting and fun
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Post by moses on Dec 15, 2012 14:22:53 GMT -5
Normally I love Raid, but it's actually pretty campy if the players want it to be. Specifically, the cover on the A Flag side is pretty potent and can effectively cut off the C Flag team in precisely three routes, while there are more like applicable entrances from A. I find the only route you can have a chance at getting through from C Flag is going to Sculpture, which can potentially give you cover quick enough to not get camped out.
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Post by honeybunch on Dec 15, 2012 20:25:46 GMT -5
Hate that pool over to the left of the map. Means that when rushing through that area at the start of a match, an enemy on overwatch from the window above can predict almost exactly where you're going to go. You're basically forced out to the right of the bar. Running through the pool is just not a viable option. Slows you down and has absolutely no cover.
One thing I've found pretty effective is to dart behind the bar, then dash over to the steps to the right of the tub, but don't actually go all the way up the stairs, because that's destined to get you killed. Instead, just circle around the other side of the pillar, and pop back down the stairs. Generally, once you start going up the stairs whoever's on overwatch writes you off as soon as you go up the stairs, and isn't expecting anyone to come back that way, especially early in the match.
Still, wish that pool wasn't in my way.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 15, 2012 21:24:45 GMT -5
Hate that pool over to the left of the map. Means that when rushing through that area at the start of a match, an enemy on overwatch from the window above can predict almost exactly where you're going to go. You're basically forced out to the right of the bar. Running through the pool is just not a viable option. Slows you down and has absolutely no cover. One thing I've found pretty effective is to dart behind the bar, then dash over to the steps to the right of the tub, but don't actually go all the way up the stairs, because that's destined to get you killed. Instead, just circle around the other side of the pillar, and pop back down the stairs. Generally, once you start going up the stairs whoever's on overwatch writes you off as soon as you go up the stairs, and isn't expecting anyone to come back that way, especially early in the match. Still, wish that pool wasn't in my way. The pool side is a definitely bit campy city. But the overwatchers at Bedroom are quite predictable and can be easily taken out with AR/SR/LMG. If you want to get through that area with a CQC weapon like SMG, the best route might be out of Coke room window -> stairs to Middle -> Bottom Bedroom.
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Post by honeybunch on Dec 15, 2012 21:33:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I tend to run SMGs or shotties the majority of the time. More SMGs than shotties on Raid, though.
Anyhow, I find running through Middle to be a seriously dangerous activity. Might be a little different in domination since people are paying more attention to B-Dom, but I'd say in TDM odds of surviving a run through Middle are no more than 50%, at best.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 15, 2012 21:40:41 GMT -5
Middle is a very dangerous territory. The safest (relatively speaking) way to enter is from the stairs on the Tub side.
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Post by Rothilial on Dec 15, 2012 23:18:25 GMT -5
You are incorrect. The middle is the most advantageous section.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 16, 2012 1:12:25 GMT -5
I'll have to agree up there; you hold down the center from either NOPE or Patio, you'll control the flow... particularly in Domination games. The HAMR and Assault Shield combo is my best friend forever on this one. :3
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 22, 2012 21:00:39 GMT -5
You are incorrect. The middle is the most advantageous section. We are pretty much saying the same thing, different sides of the same coin :-) The reason why I consider Middle as "dangerous" is because it is difficult to enter when it is held by enemies. In other words, holding it would give a team great map control. Tub stairs offers a good way to break into it: because you can use the ascending stairs for peek-and-retreat recon. On a different but related note: the think wall that separates Middle and Patio is deceptive: it only provides a visual barrier and does little to bullets. This means: 1) Blindly shoot through left or right walls from Middle can often give you hitmarkers and kills, because enemies like to hide behind them, oblivious to the danger of doing such; 2) Position yourself to the right of the right walls will give you angle through the entire patio, to the stairs and all the way towards C-DOM. What you can do is to first jump up to check if enemies are coming, and if yes simply shoot through walls. It is a long line of sight that is not obvious at first due to the existence of the wall.
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Post by Tyzerra on Dec 22, 2012 21:27:31 GMT -5
Raid is best pony Black Ops II multiplayer map.
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Post by hardline on Dec 24, 2012 2:27:53 GMT -5
Great map, every weapon works and theres a lot of good sight lines. Plus those dirt paths around the edges of the map are great for easy kills on campers.
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Post by Tyzerra on Dec 24, 2012 4:39:20 GMT -5
On the whole, I like most of the maps on Black Ops II. Raid is my favourite though because it's one of the few maps that actually has a nice structure to it. Apart from a few odd routes, Raid seems to throwback to the MW2 map style of 'Left flank, mid-route, right flank' which I really like. Every other map in this game just has so many routes from one place to another, you can't predict where players are going to be very effectively at all (unless you're running a team).
My point: Raid has a nice structure and I can predict enemy movement easier on this map.
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Post by osvald2020 on Dec 24, 2012 17:40:20 GMT -5
The worst map in the game. It's so camper friendly.
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Post by Tyzerra on Dec 24, 2012 18:20:21 GMT -5
The worst map in the game. It's so camper friendly. If you had ALOT of free time on your hands, you could probably piece together all sorts of information from my 10,000-odd posts here, and see that there's a correlation between my play-style and what you said just then But in all seriousness though, I play more aggressively on Black Ops II that I have done in any COD previously. (Ignoring Black Ops 18 months after release, of course. You can use your dick as a weapon on that game and go 50+ now).
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Post by Broadband on Dec 24, 2012 18:31:29 GMT -5
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Post by Tyzerra on Dec 24, 2012 18:50:48 GMT -5
What the... I have no idea what's happening
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Post by ElysMustache on Dec 25, 2012 14:52:17 GMT -5
What the... I have no idea what's happening You said "alot" when you meant "a lot" and that's all I know.
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Post by Tyzerra on Dec 25, 2012 16:48:28 GMT -5
Oh, because 'alot' should be two words as 'a lot'? I always thought you could use 'alot' but obviously not.
Hey, that rhymes!
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Post by bm01 on Dec 26, 2012 11:46:19 GMT -5
My English corrector doesn't seem to like the word alot.
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Post by Pentaza on Dec 28, 2012 8:18:19 GMT -5
On the whole, I like most of the maps on Black Ops II. Raid is my favourite though because it's one of the few maps that actually has a nice structure to it. Apart from a few odd routes, Raid seems to throwback to the MW2 map style of 'Left flank, mid-route, right flank' which I really like. Every other map in this game just has so many routes from one place to another, you can't predict where players are going to be very effectively at all (unless you're running a team). My point: Raid has a nice structure and I can predict enemy movement easier on this map. Raid is one of my favourite maps too, and you've hit the nail on the head with the overall structure with the three main routes through from A to C. What I also like about Raid is that you can play the map with a variety of weapons and styles. In domination I like to post up with an LMG and guard the B flag (I just love that chuga chuga chuga sound as I hose the choke points). However, you can be equally as effective with an AR or SMG, because Sculpture provides good cover to get from one side of the map to the other, take out the LMGs / snipers and push the enemy spawn.
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Post by Tyzerra on Dec 28, 2012 9:15:46 GMT -5
Raid is one of my favourite maps too, and you've hit the nail on the head with the overall structure with the three main routes through from A to C. What I also like about Raid is that you can play the map with a variety of weapons and styles. In domination I like to post up with an LMG and guard the B flag (I just love that chuga chuga chuga sound as I hose the choke points). However, you can be equally as effective with an AR or SMG, because Sculpture provides good cover to get from one side of the map to the other, take out the LMGs / snipers and push the enemy spawn. Yes, yes, yes. In games like Dom where I'd prefer to hold a spawn trap or lock the enemies on one side of the map, I'll run an AR like the AN-94 or Type 25, whereas in games like Kill Conf or Hardpoint I'll use an SMG like the PDW or MSMC. Raid is great for versatility.
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Post by bigal093 on Dec 31, 2012 1:49:44 GMT -5
I play Domination, and I find that Raid is very dependent on how good your team is. I snipe almost exclusively on this map, and I've found best way to do so is to sort of go back and forth patrolling the 2 flanks. But when my team gets pushed back and starts getting overrun by the enemy, there isn't much I can do, and I often get killed in or near my own spawn, or killed from behind.
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Post by jackaltornmoons on Dec 31, 2012 2:30:15 GMT -5
Sentry guns in the middle are a beautiful thing. I find holding NOPE side to be more advantageous.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Dec 31, 2012 2:41:16 GMT -5
Sentry guns in the middle are beautiful indeed. I think the garage side is the better one, though. It has use mind bulletses to watch both of the outside lanes (bedroom and art gallery windows) and the central lane has less visibility into the spawn. The other side has a good vantage point over the sculpture in laundry, but nothing poolside analogous to bedroom. You can shoot into the NOPE pretty easily. There's also a sun roof over it, so there is much less killstreak protection on that side (the other side has art gallery, bedroom, and the weightroom).
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Post by danoski666 on Dec 31, 2012 6:21:38 GMT -5
A really delicious, but tough to play map if your team-mates suck. It`s also of pretty simple design, since enemies will always be on: A&B: Gallery, Pato, Bedroom and Tunnel. C&B: NOPE, Tiles and Bar. It`s overall very easy to manage if you constantly have a VSAT/UAV up, which usually happens when your team is good.
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