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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 21:27:31 GMT -5
I suppose "counter strike doesn't have unlocks" may be one but it still has shitty weapon balance. Wat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 23:21:03 GMT -5
The weapon balance is fine in the sense that everything is roughly worth its price tag. The issue is that the increments of money offered on a loss/win seldom allow for any variety in weapon setups; either you're planning on an overload, a buy, or a save. Any gun that isn't designed for saving, buying, or loaded players isn't exactly useless but just used less. The only time a professional CS:GO play will use a shotgun or SMG on a save round is because he's slightly less broke than his teammates. Even then pistol armor or grenades would be more common choices at that point. I mean... maybe future iterations of CS:GO could have the cash rewards slowly ramp up as the game progresses. That could make things interesting in the early rounds of the half.
Of course, we're not stuck at AKs/M4s dominating the meta because the eco weapons are bad. Scoped ARs are good weapons, it's just that their value is worse than the AK/M4s. If we made these weapons good the AK/M4 would become the new FAMAS/Galil, and the money needed for a buy round would be too high. On the flipside if we made eco weapons good enough... hm. It probably wouldn't be too bad; though there will be bad weapons no matter what.
LMGs are just bad and beyond redemption. For the high level player it seems like these guns were supposed to spray through cover/smoke feeling around for some free damage. The only problem is that assault rifles are already good at spraying back; even the M4A1-SD. The high price tag doesn't even begin to justify the high kill reward; I don't know what could be done with these weapons. Maybe an IR scope to nullify smoke screens? No, wait, forget that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 1:28:40 GMT -5
keep in mind i said weapon balance to refer to balance between the weapons themselves. Either I am overthinking this or you missed something here.
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Post by 42 on Mar 26, 2015 6:46:14 GMT -5
so in other words, its got shitty weapon balance keep in mind i said weapon balance to refer to balance between the weapons themselves. The overall meta is fine. i dont give a shit about how many guns are worth touching if all it adds is another viewmodel to look at. Yeah, I'm not getting what you mean, Mousey. Do you mean the weapons should be balanced against each other or something?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 18:16:09 GMT -5
But if the game's higher level meta is better off for deliberately keeping certain weapon non-viable in any situation, then why tag it shitty?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 3:49:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 15:46:49 GMT -5
CS:GO's getting rebalanced.
TL:DW version: -Smoke nades have been tweaked. To spectators they have been tweaked so that what's seen by the players lines up with what the spectators see. For players it's significantly harder to see under a smoke if the nade lands in an elevated position above one's line of sight. -De_nuke has been pulled- possibly for renovations since it's a carbon copy of CS:Source's Nuke. -Tagging values have changed so that weapons with high rates of fire slow targets down more upon subsequent hits. -M4A1s price increased by $100. It's now slightly more expensive than the M4A4, and that alone might encourage more usage of the M4A4. Maybe. -The most used terrorist pistol has been nerfed. The magazine size of the Tec 9 has been shaved down to 24 and the damage falloff takes effect sooner. No more sniping players across the map. -MP9, MP7, and the Mac 10 received an accuracy buff; SMG play is more viable but run-and-gun against a professional team probably isn't the best idea. -Movement acceleration when looking down the sights of an AWP has decreased. Corner shots of any kind are impossible to pull off, which is nice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 22:33:09 GMT -5
Someone's working on Dust2 at night. Night maps are never not cool. EDIT: AFAIK it's not official.
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Post by jaedrik on Jun 14, 2015 23:16:09 GMT -5
HEY, GUYS. I GOT THIS GAME. IT'S PRETTY FUN TBH.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 0:05:47 GMT -5
HEY, GUYS. I GOT THIS GAME. IT'S PRETTY FUN TBH. Biceps be with you.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 26, 2015 13:50:51 GMT -5
interesting read
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 26, 2015 15:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 16:07:59 GMT -5
what are you talking about this thread is shit A car crash is shitty, but intriguing none-the-less.
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Post by Aphoristic on Jun 26, 2015 20:30:24 GMT -5
I've never ran into more cheaters than I did on Xbox when MW2, WaW, and CoD4 cheats were at their peak. Literally made the games completely unplayable. No PC game I've played has had anywhere near that level of cheating. Finding a cheater is an extreme rarity.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 27, 2015 18:33:55 GMT -5
Well thats wonderful IW. As someone who actually plays them though its not remotely common as the console fanboys seem to try and make it out to be. I think I've actually seen you complain about hackers in MW2 on this forum more times than I've seen actual hackers while playing on PC. Though MW2 would already be higher if i just thought to count the number of messages i got for hacked lobbies in exchange for Microsoft Funcoins. Granted I don't play CoD or CS and to my knowledge thats where the biggest portion of hackers seem to be. They have pretty shitty communities all around though and I think it has something to do with it. Stand down there Mousey, i come from PC gaming roots. Didn't really play consoles until 2007/2008, so my roots are long..... I am older than you, so i'm going back. For the record, I did have a console for Halo in '01 or '02?, the original xbox but i really didn't use it that much, less than my computers. Both Mac and P?C. My favorite games (out of dozens i played) were Unreal T, Quake, and Medieval Total Warfare. MTW, still might be my most favorite game of all time. And yes, i have played CS, and CS-GO....not really a fan of either. Just couldn't get into them. MW2 was a god awful mess. Worst cheating game of any that i have ever played, console or PC. Not even close. A mess. What's funny though is you go over to the CoD forum, and almost every person posting on that board talks about how it was the greatest CoD of all time, with most of them saying they never saw any cheating. Still not a fan of PC gaming these day though. Sorry.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 28, 2015 7:24:22 GMT -5
MW2 was bad. I saw to many to count lobbies with Chopper Gunner glitches, under the rock bs, and other stuff that did affect my gaming. But i don't view that as so much an indictment against consoles, but more so IW and it's owners simply giving the players a big old 'F U' when they abandoned the ship. If no one is home to run stuff, the game will suffer.
As far as insulting you....all i said was ..."this is why i don't play PC games"
That's hardly an insult to you personally. And for me, it's just how i feel. I'm sure it's less than what that article makes it seem like, but from someone who isn't doing really any PC gaming these days, the thought of dealing with that stuff, finding servers, setting up the system, all that stuff, ...it's enough to make me say "I'll just play the console" I guess to some degree, i'm grouping my Apple fanboy stuff in there too and virus hating too. I hate dealing with PC's, with all the viruses and other junk too. Our work system is always getting hit with that shit, same with home systems before. So we just say all mac's now. I've never gotten a virus on any of our mac's in 14 years (four laptops, 2 towers, countless phones, a few iPods)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 20:06:04 GMT -5
Fine then, a better comparison is someone going into a cod thread and saying that they hate it because of frag grenades being overpowered. That person has woken up drenched in sweat after playing CoD4.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 29, 2015 5:24:08 GMT -5
Fine then, a better comparison is someone going into a cod thread and saying that they hate it because of frag grenades being overpowered. they were OP in MW1. Way to OP. Triple grenades. Try another analogy.
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Post by Aphoristic on Jun 29, 2015 5:52:06 GMT -5
woosh
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 29, 2015 5:57:09 GMT -5
was that the sound of the third MW1 grenade being tossed over my head?
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Jun 29, 2015 6:54:20 GMT -5
I've never ran into more cheaters than I did on Xbox when MW2, WaW, and CoD4 cheats were at their peak. Literally made the games completely unplayable. No PC game I've played has had anywhere near that level of cheating. Finding a cheater is an extreme rarity. I guess you didn't play the PC version of MW2 then. But COD does prove the point that there are cheaters everywhere. As a counterpoint to COD, I can't think of a single cheating incident on console Battlefield for me. Granted, I didn't do a lot of BF3, but I have done a ton of Hardline and BF4 on both Xbox One and PS4. PC versions of BF3 and BF4? I've definitely been aimbotted. Aimbot is usually obvious, but then you get into the ESP crap, combined with no killcam, and it can be an unfun environment. Not knowing for sure if your opponent is cheating is worse in a way than knowing. Most PC games I play have a constant stream of hacking accusations in the text chat. Even if most accusations are bullshit, it doesn't make for a good environment. I think it's fair to say that cheating is more common on PC because it's fundamentally easier to cheat there. Both consoles and PC have gotten better in general though. I get maphacked way less in Starcraft 2 than I did in Warcraft 3, that's for damn sure. Games on console trending away from player-hosted servers has cured a lot of the low-hanging fruit type of cheats that plagued Xbox Live in the earlier days.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 29, 2015 7:38:15 GMT -5
I sort of view MW2 as more out an anomaly with console gaming. What I saw happen to that particular game (the sheer volume of cheating), I've never seen in any other console game.
I do remember one other CoD game having some issues. World at War. One of the maps had a few issues with going underneath it. The problem persisted for about a month or two before Treyarch resolved it. I'm not sure if that is really a hack though. It seemed more like an exploit in the game, that people took advantage of. But it was one that was easy to handle, as it was like a fly-trap. The entry spots to the exploit were known to all. You didn't really need to find people on that map (bunch of Asian looking buildings). All you needed to do was park your butt near the exploit entries, and wait for the obligatory 1/3 of the cheaters to go running there to get in, and shoot them.
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Post by iw5000 on Jun 29, 2015 9:42:01 GMT -5
they were OP in MW1. Way to OP. Triple grenades. Try another analogy. are you actually this thick or are you just screwing with me I should ask you, are you actually this serious about PC gaming?
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jun 29, 2015 16:58:44 GMT -5
No, you shouldn't because it's inconsequential to the conversation at hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 1:26:10 GMT -5
Alright. So let me get this straight:
-IW5000 posts an article about a guy who bought hacks, stomped some people to relive his days playing CS in college, and gets banned 2 hours later. He adds that "this is why I don't play PC games".
-Mousey answers that hacking is "not remotely common as the console fanboys seem to try and make it out to be", noting that hacking is often centred around CoD and CS.
-IW5000 mentions that he was a PC gamer in around 2007/8.
-Mousey notes that anti-cheat got better, most of MW2's hacker lobbies were often prestige hacks. Moreso his point of discussion is highly off-topic.
-IW5000 points out that MW2 did have a lot of malicious hacks/bugs/glitches; the game was poorly supported across the board. He interpret's Mousey's slightly terse tone and interprets Mousey to have been insulted.
-Mousey throws out an analogy. I hate using analogies. It's like going to rule 34 paheal for good porn. I mean, maybe someone out there likes Sonic inflation auto-paizuri vore out there, but that's not my scoop.
Beyond that point I'd say nobody really knows what's going on anymore. Look, I don't know why IW5000 is in a CS:GO thread talking about hacking in MW2. Nobody knows. He's iw5000.
As Mousey noted VAC's ability to hunt down and lock out hackers has been much snappier as of late. The guy in the PCgamer article mentioned that he was banned within TWO HOURS of getting his hacks up. He spent $15 on a game he can't play again on an account he'll never get back.
To add onto that CS:GO recently added an Overwatch program. Experienced members of the CS community can review demos and pick out hackers if they are caught beyond a reasonable doubt. Popular CS Youtubers have even made videos about their judging process:
If anyone is that concerned about hacking; modern military shooters as a whole carries that downside on every platform. That's just something we all have to deal with, it's relatively easier to hack and be subtle about it in this subgenre over any other game. RTSes, MOBAs, and TCGs don't really have this problem. In fact some games like TF2 are unique in the sense that if a hacker does come along their threat isn't unanswerable.
But as Mousey inferred, since we already established that CS:GO isn't your cup of tea, it seems that this conversation should be picked up in another thread.
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Post by probaddie on Jun 30, 2015 12:08:06 GMT -5
This thread is bad and you should all feel bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 14:16:49 GMT -5
But as Mousey inferred, since we already established that CS:GO isn't your cup of tea, it seems that this conversation should be picked up in another thread. uh no i am past the point on bothering also id try rereading the convo or something because some stuff seems to have flown past you But oversimplification and selective fact representation is my forté. Have a giant sugar shaker. That, or it's meth. We don't know how big it really is.
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Post by tiesieman on Jun 30, 2015 16:04:16 GMT -5
This game sucks go play dirty bomb like all of us csgo rejects
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Post by iw5000 on Jul 1, 2015 8:57:57 GMT -5
Beyond that point I'd say nobody really knows what's going on anymore. Look, I don't know why IW5000 is in a CS:GO thread talking about hacking in MW2. Nobody knows. He's iw5000. Are you that dense? Mousey brought up MW2, not me. Why here? Because as I said...I have played CS before. Recently even played CS-GO on the console version on Xbox a while back. Tried for a week or so. And yes, back in the day, I had some hacking annoyances. That was real. One of the reasons I stopped. So what? Why is that so difficult for you and others to understand? Oh..you are 'beav', ok. What's your deal now? You are the last defender of what is a 'TWUE PC CS' player? And mousey...go shut the Foxtrot up. You were complaining about this thread being 'shit' as it was. I jumped in to read it because of the CS stuff, made a few comments and the first was that I found the thread 'interesting'. I liked it. YOU told me it was a shit thread, whining about that. The rest of my comments? Were not THAT big of a deal. That I had some hacking issues in the past, why I stopped. Really? That upset some of you THAT much? Good lord. Get off this board and go get some fresh air.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Jul 1, 2015 13:43:21 GMT -5
Really? That upset some of you THAT much? No one was upset.
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