Dumien
True Bro
Black Market Trader
No engrams. Only disappointment.
Posts: 3,292
|
10x10
Jan 15, 2013 20:01:52 GMT -5
Post by Dumien on Jan 15, 2013 20:01:52 GMT -5
So today I finally hit 10th. I'm not some super stat tracker and I don't keep up with the intricacies of what I perform best with. What I do keep track of my favorite classes I have used during prestiging.I've done that for every CoD since MW2. However this is the first year that I haven't played primarily SnD.
Instead, I've been playing a healthy mix of dom, KC, FFA, HQ, and Hardpoint. My classes have become less about utility and more about "how fast can I level up" This means I have been generally geared towards SPM, which is reflected in my stats. So, now I am willing and ready to slow down a bit and bring some utility to my class list.
Instead of having 8 classes geared towards one game mode with focus to make sure that all the gaps are covered, I am going to be going for a broader range of classes. Here are my favorites consolidated. I will be adding more detailed descriptions to each one over time. Keep in mind that I have used each of these with success.
The goal of this thread is to either discuss your own 5-10 cohesive classes (if you are done prestiging) or to comment on any of these classes.
Here are my 10x10
#1 Objective SMG (high octane SPM whore...at least I admit it)
PDW Primary Gunfighter Silencer Extended Mags Stock Lightweight Fast Hands Dexterity C4 Tac Insert
#2 Objective SMG/Assault Shield Hybrid (take that BDom + Mindgames in enemy spawn)
PDW Stock Extended Mags Lightweight Fast Hands Dexterity C4 Tac Insert Overkill Assault Shield
#3 Objective Anti-Streak Hybrid (this one has some cool math behind it,,, emp+AN94)
AN-94 Grenade Launcher Fast Mags SMAW Fast Hands Engineer Tactician EMP Grenade EMP Grenade Tac Insert
#4 FFA Slayer (keep rolling and collecting free kills)
NonShotgunPrimaryX Primary Gunfighter LS QD Stock Hardline Scavenger Dexterity Claymore Shock Charge
#5 Stealth Slayer (KC and TDM. Break away from the pack. Take the enemy down from the flanks)
MSMC/PDW Silencer Stock Perk 1 Greed Perk 3 Greed Lightweight Ghost Toughness Dexterity Awareness
#6 Popshot (works on specific maps as counter sniper/long sightline tactical loitering)
MK48 Rapid Fire Laser Sight Overkill Assault Shield Flak Jacket Fast Hands Dexterity Trophy System Trophy System
#7 So Much Stuff (scavenger Abused to the Max)
FAL Quickdraw FHJ Perk 2 Greed Scavenger Fast Hands Danger Close Claymore (I used Betties) Claymore Shock Charge
#8 Arsenal (Teammate Resuply Support, choice between PDW ammo or supped up AN94)
Primary Gunfighter AN94 Stock Quickdraw Extended Mags Overkill PDW Extended Mags Tac Insert C4
#9 Shotgun? (CQC Maps and Awareness abuse)
Remmington Laser Sight Long Barrel Kap40 Perk 3 Greed Lightweight Awareness Dexterity Claymore Shock Charge
#10 Rambo Mode (akimbo LMGs ftw)
QBB Laser Sight Quickdraw Overkill MK48 Target Finder Lightweight Fast Hands Dexterity Tac Insert
What are yours?
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 15, 2013 20:33:32 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 15, 2013 20:33:32 GMT -5
I am not going to share mine here because I am just a mediocre player. I do want to contribute the classes I observed from a pub stomp twitch streamer whose main goal of play is to get 100+ kills with Lodestar->K9->Swarm scorestreak setup in Ground War (mainly Dom or KC):
PDW / AN-94 w/suppressor+fast mags+FMJ (5pts) Flak Jacket + Ghost / Hardline (3pts) Scavenger (1pt) Tac Mask (1pt)
PDW for small maps, AN-94 for larger maps.
Basically, 3 weapon attachments + Scavenger all geared towards longevity, with the rest of the perks designed to be resistant to BS deaths. The setup is interesting to me because it represents certain purity of gun play and supreme confidence of winning gunfights without any help from attachments (QD, Stock, LS, LB, Grip, Sights, etc) , perks (lightweight, toughness, Dexterity etc), equipments and secondary.
It is a stark contrast of my try-hard classes, which strive to get all the help I can get from loadouts to win gun fights :-)
|
|
Robospy
True Bro
Look at that lovely cock
Posts: 723
|
10x10
Jan 15, 2013 20:37:46 GMT -5
Post by Robospy on Jan 15, 2013 20:37:46 GMT -5
= 100
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 14:15:23 GMT -5
Post by RageHulkSmash on Jan 16, 2013 14:15:23 GMT -5
Congrats Dumien There are two classes I always fall back to when things aren't going my way. M8A1 + Stock/MMS FAL + SF/Stock/MMS I've had two custom classes saved for these every prestige, plus another one for the usual stealth + anti-air setup. Nearly all of my classes use the same perks/equipment lightweight and/or ghost scavenger tactical mask and/or dexterity 2x EMP grenades
|
|
danoski666
True Bro
"He ran off the wall like a ninja!"
Posts: 2,484
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 14:23:15 GMT -5
Post by danoski666 on Jan 16, 2013 14:23:15 GMT -5
I could post some of my classes, but they are propably the same as the usual. Lightweight(Gheist if I have it) Toughness/Scavenger Dexterity
I run that exclusively on most classes along with C4. SMG Laser/Fastmag+Silencer AR Stock+Silencer MK48 RF+Laser+TF/Silencer Shotgun Fastmag/LB+Laser Sniper(?!) Variable zoom+Nothing?
|
|
Tyzerra
True Bro
Stay sharp.
Posts: 10,989
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 14:28:48 GMT -5
Post by Tyzerra on Jan 16, 2013 14:28:48 GMT -5
What's your play time Dumien? I'm on my way to 10th prestige for the first time. Currently I'm at Prestige 7, lv 35 with ~5 days, 5 hours game time. I'm interested in how we compare Also: PDW w/ Silencer, Stock Ghost, Hardline Fast Hands Dexterity Concussion x2 Perk 1 Greed
|
|
Dumien
True Bro
Black Market Trader
No engrams. Only disappointment.
Posts: 3,292
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 15:53:33 GMT -5
Post by Dumien on Jan 16, 2013 15:53:33 GMT -5
Congrats Dumien There are two classes I always fall back to when things aren't going my way. M8A1 + Stock/MMS FAL + SF/Stock/MMS I've had two custom classes saved for these every prestige, plus another one for the usual stealth + anti-air setup. Nearly all of my classes use the same perks/equipment lightweight and/or ghost scavenger tactical mask and/or dexterity 2x EMP grenades These are two strong set-ups do you feel overpowered at close range by SMGs? I could post some of my classes, but they are propably the same as the usual. Lightweight(Gheist if I have it) Toughness/Scavenger Dexterity I run that exclusively on most classes along with C4. SMG Laser/Fastmag+Silencer AR Stock+Silencer MK48 RF+Laser+TF/Silencer Shotgun Fastmag/LB+Laser Sniper(?!) Variable zoom+Nothing? The lightweight/toughness/dex combo is probably the strongest perk combo for straight up winning gunfights. I fall back on it all the time. What's your play time Dumien? I'm on my way to 10th prestige for the first time. Currently I'm at Prestige 7, lv 35 with ~5 days, 5 hours game time. I'm interested in how we compare Also: PDW w/ Silencer, Stock Ghost, Hardline Fast Hands Dexterity Concussion x2 Perk 1 Greed This is pretty cool. Hardline over Lightweight works out for you? Also... 6 Days 18 hours.Prestige 10 level 29 P.S. I got my first nuclear 15 minutes ago in one round of dom rushing with the second class (the assault shield one) shown up there (minus one emags and plus one LS). Most of my kills ended up coming from multiple picked up skorpions/s12s and the 30th kill came from the svu-as....lol. Plus we had them triple capped almost the whole time. Never underestimate the power of the mobile use head glitch.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 16:28:26 GMT -5
Post by wcparker on Jan 16, 2013 16:28:26 GMT -5
Witty: That class is remarkable. Anti-trihard player as you said. Did he make good use of FMJ? That's the most perplexing choice in my mind.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 16:44:28 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 16, 2013 16:44:28 GMT -5
Witty: That class is remarkable. Anti-trihard player as you said. Did he make good use of FMJ? That's the most perplexing choice in my mind. He had FMJ on for the peace of mind of able to shoot through cover when needed (say when the opponent is strafing into cover). In recent streaming however, for PDW class he replaced FMJ with LS (only used in emergency scenarios for surprise encounters at extremely close range). Also, for PDW he is now using Toughness instead of Scavenger, as PDW provides him enough bullets to get to Lodestar and beyond. If you want to check out his game play with these classes first hand, you can go to and select any videos with word "Swarm" in the title. Although occasional 100+kills mean nothing as bros have pointed out in iw5000's "YouTube KD Whore videos" thread, what's impressive about this guy is his ability of doing that consistently, on live streaming, against different opponents. As I said in my Twitch TV guide post, I found it an useful learning experience by watching such game play videos. Because his setup does not rely much on gunfight help from loadouts, you can see how he handles the key game play elements more clearly (opening move, route selection, gun play, evasive maneuvers, sprint vs. walk vs. pre-ADS, periodic flank check when on the move, what spots to look at for potential camp ers, multi-kill, etc).
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 17:07:50 GMT -5
Post by wcparker on Jan 16, 2013 17:07:50 GMT -5
Watching his clips the main thing I'm wowed by is how he achieves so much accuracy on Xbox. My kills look much sloppier.
Edit: These videos also illustrate the difference between Twitch and Youtube. He eats rockets, guys spawn behind him, what can you do? But on average he's amazing.
|
|
Dumien
True Bro
Black Market Trader
No engrams. Only disappointment.
Posts: 3,292
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 17:18:22 GMT -5
Post by Dumien on Jan 16, 2013 17:18:22 GMT -5
Actually the class is very suited to his marketing game witty, almost nothing more. Kontrol freaks improve twitch aiming while on maximum sensitivity, whereas playing to the SMGs strong points (stock/LW) require aiming with ADS strafing. His playstyle demonstrates the effectiveness of kontrolfreaks.
I'm not bashing it. He does demonstrate supreme confidence, but imo the negative form of it: arrogance.
That said, flak/tac are very cool and underutilized perks on a slayer set-up. Worrying only about bullets and not C4-over-walls, shocks, or stuns is nice.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 16, 2013 18:05:54 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 16, 2013 18:05:54 GMT -5
Actually the class is very suited to his marketing game witty, almost nothing more. Kontrol freaks improve twitch aiming while on maximum sensitivity, whereas playing to the SMGs strong points (stock/LW) require aiming with ADS strafing. His playstyle demonstrates the effectiveness of kontrolfreaks. I'm not bashing it. He does demonstrate supreme confidence, but imo the negative form of it: arrogance. That said, flak/tac are very cool and underutilized perks on a slayer set-up. Worrying only about bullets and not C4-over-walls, shocks, or stuns is nice. Rest assured that the arrogance is abundant from people who put on a show of pub stomping on a regular basis :-). I am not bothered as long as there are something useful to learn from. Yes, these classes are only for situations that a player can crash through others on his paths. I am sure that he will be using some variants of the try-hard classes we talked about if he is playing against himself. The point I was trying to make when mentioning such setups is to offer a complete opposite angle to "try-hard": the pub-stomp angle. The loadout designs take a totally different direction when this is a dominant consideration. In reality, people's loadout mixes will be somewhere between "try-hard" and "pub-stomp".
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 8:30:07 GMT -5
Post by iw5000 on Jan 17, 2013 8:30:07 GMT -5
Actually the class is very suited to his marketing game witty, almost nothing more. Kontrol freaks improve twitch aiming while on maximum sensitivity, whereas playing to the SMGs strong points (stock/LW) require aiming with ADS strafing. His playstyle demonstrates the effectiveness of kontrolfreaks. I'm not bashing it. He does demonstrate supreme confidence, but imo the negative form of it: arrogance. That said, flak/tac are very cool and underutilized perks on a slayer set-up. Worrying only about bullets and not C4-over-walls, shocks, or stuns is nice. Rest assured that the arrogance is abundant from people who put on a show of pub stomping on a regular basis :-). I am not bothered as long as there are something useful to learn from. I watched a few of his videos Witty, based on your recommendations. A few thoughts.Like dumien, I found his arrogance a bit annoying. I think that's part 'theater', so I suppose that's ok....but what I didn't find ok was his gay bashing stuff he routinely seems to put into his videos as part of his schtick. No need for that. I draw a very very hard line there.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 10:34:36 GMT -5
Post by wcparker on Jan 17, 2013 10:34:36 GMT -5
I use KontrolFreaks. They're not that impressive. Kinda nice if you have large hands. Accuracy-wise he's doing something else as well.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 11:28:23 GMT -5
Post by iw5000 on Jan 17, 2013 11:28:23 GMT -5
Witty,
I watched one of your links to a live feed. Where PSTAR supposedly is entering in random lobbies live, and just rolling up consecutive 100 kills games. So i watched three games then i skimmed a bit. He did get over 100 kills in each game. A KC, then two Dom games. Something like 105-4, 118-9, and then 107-2. They won all the games. ON the surface, just reading what i wrote, it seems super impressive, but i there are some other things going on...
- Modded controller. No need to say more there.
- He's not running solo like he states. He's partly grouped up and running with guys from his clan.
- In the three games, I did not see him play what i would call even a remotely difficult/skilled lobby. Every game had at least half or more of the opponents 1st prestige or lower. Does he back out of hard lobbies? Hard to say, as every post game lobby always seems to be blanked out, the screen hidden. This kind of ties into the next point.....
- There's nothing special about his tactics and it would have been interesting to see if his Killwhore strategy actually would work on a lobby that didn't have 4 to 6 rookie players. With Dom...he's just doing the very typical KDwhore tactic. Skip the flags, and circle the perimeter in a wide fashion, come in behind the enemy spawn, don't cap...and just post up, getting kills in their area, while patrolling a zone. Do this until you get your 10/11 kills...and get your KS's going.
- On the surface, a big game like his second one, 118-9 Dom game, seems great (well, they are great games, no doubt) But these scores are all based rolling and utilizing BO2's new scorestreak system. Get one Lodestar/Dogs combo...the swarm comes next for free. In the above 118-9 game, that triple KS rolled up around 80 kills for him. His actual gun KD kills were around 27-8. The first game was no different. 105-4, with that triple streak getting around 76 kills or so. Basically.....a 29-4 game that turns into 105-4. Is that really that impressive, to be calling yourself one of the world's greatest CoD players like he claims?
- It is impressive he is good at getting that 'combo' (Lodestar/Swarm) on a consistent basis. But it's not that impressive as 75% of the work is being done by the computer generated killstreaks. Not saying he sucks, he most certainly doesn't...but his big scores are a bit exaggerated by his Killstreaks.
BO2 is extremely hourglass shaped in terms of streaks. The bigger ones are harder to get....but when you get them, ....they are ridiculously overpowered. And if you are willing to adjust your style to 'big-game' hunt for them....once you get them up (in his case, using three)...your Killstreak kills to other kills is going to get ridiculously boosted. It is a bit ridiculous. On average, in the above three games, he's getting around 25 to 30 gun kills....and then having the streaks pick up an average of 75 kills.
Lobby shopping for retard players doesn't exactly hurt either.
But the KD boost in BO2 is incredible. Watching his videos illustrated that. Let me use an example with myself., an average Joe player. When I played on MW3...my ratio of Killstreak kills to the rest of my kills (guns, grenades, equip, etc..), was around 30%. So I used to average 25 gun kills a game, and then averaged around 6 to 7 killstreak kills per game. A ratio of 25 to 7...around 30%. In the above games with PSTAR...the BO2's streaks are ridiculous. He's averaging around 30 kills per game (which is around five more than me)...BUT......his killstreaks are averaging 75 killstreak kills per game....300% boost...not 30%. BO2 is really trippy that way.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 13:50:17 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 13:50:17 GMT -5
iw5000: I have watched this guy since MW3 days and I can clarify a few things: 1) Modded Controller. All he did is to put KontrolFreeks on his controller, Not sure if you consider this unacceptable. I do that too, they are cheap and not really raise a player's game to a whole new level. For me personally a nice headphone does so much more. 2) KD Whoring vs. Objectives. Yes, he plays for kills in Dom games, and you can see from his route selection that B flag is not his initial priority. However, based on my observations he will jump onto flags when the game is on the line, unless he is close to his scorestreaks, in which case he will go for that. I do not see anything wrong with that, because as soon as he can hit Lodestar and set off the chain, his team can easily double and triple cap. Many games are turned around due to that. 3) Lobbies. Unless he has a magic button that we don't know about, he is completely at the mercy of the matchmaking system for what lobbies to be matched into. Also, I have never even once seen him backed out of a lobby, which I approve because many other streamers rage quit all the time. BTW, this is why I prefer twitch over YouTube, because you can see the guy live without BS editing. He does run into tough opponents sometimes. There was this one game his team got VSAT->K9->Swarmed. So he actively tried to hunt down the KD whore on the other side as a way to try to turn the game around, while at the same time capping the flag because his team was in a huge hole. In the next game he switched to CUAV->VSAT->EMP to counter the other guy, but the guy quit half way through the game. 4) Solo or partying. It seems to me that he plays GW when he has 1 or 2 friends to play with (which are not super impressive), or FFA when solo. Overall, he does have a 72% W/L ratio despite that he never plays with full parties. Keep in mind also that his games have a much higher dashboard rate because it is hard for anybody to withstand even 1 round of Lodestar->K9->Swarm, let alone multiple rounds. In summary, other than his arrogance, all other areas are well within my definition of an "honorable" player :-)
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 14:02:38 GMT -5
Post by iw5000 on Jan 17, 2013 14:02:38 GMT -5
Witty
I really don't know much about teh Kontrolfreak thing. I was going on what dumien said and that...most players don't have those. I would love to hear your thoughts on it though. More of what you think. Please do elaborate on that.
I also didn't find anything dishonorable about his tactics. Let me clarify that a bit. I just said I found nothing necessarily unique or different about them, that makes him stand out. They are standard KDwhore tactics imho (but I don't mean to call him that necessarily). You, me, everyone sees these tactics almost every single game you play. What he does, is doing, ...is literally what we see in almost every Dom game we play when a higher KD guy comes in the lobby. Ten times a night? Twenty times a night? Circle the perimeter, ignore flags, try to win the game with the Killstreaks. Obviously, he can pull this off quite a bit, so that tactic works for him (at least in the videos he shows). If you are winning games doing this tactic, then it's valid. I suppose that's the difference? That versus a guy who ends up 50-6, one cap, and loses the game.
If anything....it's not his tactics that are impressive to me...it's his almost aimbot skill level aiming. He almost never whiffs on a shot.
As far as the solo stuff...I don't watch him like you do. I was just making a comment that in his live feed, he ran his mouth on about doing 100+ kills solo......but when I looked at the people in the lobby with him, there were a few guys who stayed around game to game. And when I then went and spent 30 seconds looking at his Elite profile > recent games > player list......lo and behold,....some of the same people (er, 'randoms') from a few days ago, he was playing with last night. I think that's a little bit more than coincidence.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 14:13:59 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 14:13:59 GMT -5
Witty I didn't find anything dishonorable about his tactics. Let me clarify that a bit. I just said I found nothing necessarily unique or different about them. They are standard KDwhore tactics imho (but I don't mean to call him that necessarily). You, me, everyone sees these tactics almost every single game you play. Obviously, he can pull this off quite a bit, so that tactic works for him. If you are winning games doing this tactic, then it's valid. I suppose that's the difference? That versus a guy who ends up 50-6 at the end of a 20pt loss, and he only has 1 cap? If anything....it's not his tactics that are impressive to me...it's his almost aimbot skill level aiming. He almost never whiffs on a shot. As far as the solo stuff...I don't watch him like you do. I was just making a comment that in his live feed, he ran his mouth on about doing 100+ kills solo......but when I looked at the people in the lobby with him, there were a few guys who stayed around game to game. And when I then went and spent 30 seconds looking at his Elite profile > recent games > players on his team....lo and behold,....similar people showed up again. That's a little more than coincidence. Regarding lobbies: what you observed is likely due to his viewers trying to stream join, which is something streamers really hate. Basically, the stream joiners try to join the game of a streamer, and rely on the extra intel from the stream to give them an advantage to take the guy down. The way stream join works is the following: 1) Spot a player who is in the lobby of the streamer; 2) Be-friend that player; 3) Join in progress; This is why you'll see almost all streamers would block the screen as much as possible to make 1) difficult. For example, the streamer will not show the lobby screen before a game starts (this guy usually puts up his scorestreak screen or his after action report). I truly believe that his accuracy is real. If you check his weapon stats, his automatic weapon accuracy is around 25%, which is well within the reasonable human limit. Regarding KD whoring: well, that's how streamers get their audience. If you were ever to try to stream for money, you would be forced to do that too :-). As long as this guy still takes W/L very seriously, I don't have a problem with that. I watch his stream to try to get tips about gunfight. If I want to learn how to play Dom more effectively, I'll simply go to theater and watch my more skilled friends (e.g. you :-)) at work.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 14:49:23 GMT -5
Post by wcparker on Jan 17, 2013 14:49:23 GMT -5
I'm mystified by the accuracy. I have 25% accuracy on my AN-94 (most used automatic). But my gunfights just look different. I see myself overcompensating, or whiffing 5 shot in a row without correcting, or kicking over someone's head. He always seems to snap to target and stay there.
Edit: I feel the same way when I watch XboxAhoy. I know those clips have more editing, but even in the extra footage, he just never seems to miss.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 16:42:07 GMT -5
Post by iw5000 on Jan 17, 2013 16:42:07 GMT -5
Witty I didn't find anything dishonorable about his tactics. Let me clarify that a bit. I just said I found nothing necessarily unique or different about them. They are standard KDwhore tactics imho (but I don't mean to call him that necessarily). You, me, everyone sees these tactics almost every single game you play. Obviously, he can pull this off quite a bit, so that tactic works for him. If you are winning games doing this tactic, then it's valid. I suppose that's the difference? That versus a guy who ends up 50-6 at the end of a 20pt loss, and he only has 1 cap? If anything....it's not his tactics that are impressive to me...it's his almost aimbot skill level aiming. He almost never whiffs on a shot. As far as the solo stuff...I don't watch him like you do. I was just making a comment that in his live feed, he ran his mouth on about doing 100+ kills solo......but when I looked at the people in the lobby with him, there were a few guys who stayed around game to game. And when I then went and spent 30 seconds looking at his Elite profile > recent games > players on his team....lo and behold,....similar people showed up again. That's a little more than coincidence. Regarding lobbies: what you observed is likely due to his viewers trying to stream join, which is something streamers really hate. Basically, the stream joiners try to join the game of a streamer, and rely on the extra intel from the stream to give them an advantage to take the guy down. The way stream join works is the following: 1) Spot a player who is in the lobby of the streamer; 2) Be-friend that player; 3) Join in progress; This is why you'll see almost all streamers would block the screen as much as possible to make 1) difficult. For example, the streamer will not show the lobby screen before a game starts (this guy usually puts up his scorestreak screen or his after action report). I truly believe that his accuracy is real. If you check his weapon stats, his automatic weapon accuracy is around 25%, which is well within the reasonable human limit. Regarding KD whoring: well, that's how streamers get their audience. If you were ever to try to stream for money, you would be forced to do that too :-). As long as this guy still takes W/L very seriously, I don't have a problem with that. I watch his stream to try to get tips about gunfight. If I want to learn how to play Dom more effectively, I'll simply go to theater and watch my more skilled friends (e.g. you :-)) at work. That's interesting with the lobby thing. I didn't realize that. I'm not planning on streaming for money anytime soon...I would be broke.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 16:58:49 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 16:58:49 GMT -5
I'm not planning on streaming for money anytime soon...I would be broke. You never know. I for one would be really interested in watching you streaming Dom strategy based game plays :-), much more so than these KD whore ones.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 17:01:23 GMT -5
Post by iw5000 on Jan 17, 2013 17:01:23 GMT -5
I'm not planning on streaming for money anytime soon...I would be broke. You never know. I for one would be really interested in watching you streaming Dom strategy based game plays :-), much more so than these KD whore ones. You know...if i tried to run PWNSTAR's tactics with the people i usually play with, ...everyone's ears would be bleeding from people cussing me out. I can hear TommyC now going apeshit..... Hey...I want to hear more about this controller thing you have. How does it work? the cost? Does it help?
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 17:11:32 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 17:11:32 GMT -5
You mean KontrolFreeks? They are just cheap plastics you put on your RT (and LT if you choose to do so): www.kontrolfreek.com/ldr/fps-freek-classic-b.aspWhat it provides to you is finer control of your aim (and movement if you also put them on LT) when I first started using them, I personally found them quite useful. Nowadays I have been so used to them to the point that I can't play without them. Do they provide "dead on" accuracy? It must be player dependent. While for me my accuracy did improve with vs. without, I still suck (BO2 & MW3: at ~14%). tl;dr: quite useful, but nowhere near "magical" as their marketing is trying to make you believe.
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 17:53:12 GMT -5
Post by brutalonslaught on Jan 17, 2013 17:53:12 GMT -5
That guy is very average in terms of reading the game. It shows that if you are aggressive and use the best weapons available to you and get in a shit lobby then you will do well.
I don't know why some people are surprised that the beast setup is a primary + 3 attachments, flak jacket, scav and tac mask. Maybe they don't play very often....
And you may criticise his kill whoring but if you want to win domination then having one guy racking up the big killstreaks is most definitely a clever idea. You know, when you've got dogs or swarm out, people aren't capping...
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 17:57:43 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 17:57:43 GMT -5
That guy is very average in terms of reading the game. It shows that if you are aggressive and use the best weapons available to you and get in a doo-doo lobby then you will do well. I don't know why some people are surprised that the beast setup is a primary + 3 attachments, flak jacket, scav and tac mask. Maybe they don't play very often.... And you may criticise his kill whoring but if you want to win domination then having one guy racking up the big killstreaks is most definitely a clever idea. You know, when you've got dogs or swarm out, people aren't capping... People are not surprised by Flak Jacket / Scav / TM, nor 3 attachments, but his choices of the attachments: Silencer + FM + FMJ is indeed a showing of arrogance: "I am not going to use any gun fight enhancement attachments like QD, Stock, LS, Sights, etc. along with helper perks like LW, Toughness, Dexterity, etc, and I am still going to beat you up in gun fights". He did replace FMJ with LS and Scav with Toughness on his PDW class recently, so down to earth a little bit now...
|
|
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 18:05:54 GMT -5
Post by brutalonslaught on Jan 17, 2013 18:05:54 GMT -5
FMJ is phenomenal in this game. You can shoot through 9ft concrete slabs with normal bullets and given the number of dweebs who use mind bullets camp it's vital.
What else would you use? Quickdraw? Why bother there's barely a delay and you should be preaiming. Target Finder? LOL, maybe if you are blind. Select Fire? Pull the trigger faster. Some kind of sight? Learn to aim.
I usually run FAL/M27 for long distance power engagements then pick up the first PDW I find.
Laser sight would replace fast mags on an SMG, I'd still use FMJ or stock...
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 18:15:46 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 18:15:46 GMT -5
FMJ is phenomenal in this game. You can shoot through 9ft concrete slabs with normal bullets and given the number of dweebs who use mind bullets camp it's vital. What else would you use? Quickdraw? Why bother there's barely a delay and you should be preaiming. Target Finder? LOL, maybe if you are blind. Select Fire? Pull the trigger faster. Some kind of sight? Learn to aim. I usually run FAL/M27 for long distance power engagements then pick up the first PDW I find. FMJ is indeed useful against mind bullet camp ing, no argument here. However, you can't deny the following enhancement attachments (+ perk helpers) do give a player significant advantages in gun fights: 1) QD: 100ms reduction is quite significant; 2) LS: aim tracking is a lot easier when firing from hip and LS improves accuracy significantly; 3) Stock along with LW will give the opponents a lot of difficulty to track you; All of these enhancements are effective in all gunfights, while FMJ is very situational. You mentioned that you are picking up PDW from the ground, that's smart (because let's face it: they are everywhere :-) ). So you do get many of these enhancements for free.
|
|
Dumien
True Bro
Black Market Trader
No engrams. Only disappointment.
Posts: 3,292
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 18:32:05 GMT -5
Post by Dumien on Jan 17, 2013 18:32:05 GMT -5
Wow.
This got off topic.
|
|
wittyscorpion
True Brorange
All warfare is based on deception.
Posts: 8,598
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 18:47:56 GMT -5
Post by wittyscorpion on Jan 17, 2013 18:47:56 GMT -5
Yeah, it was off by a mile :-) Thanks to brutalonslaught however, we are now back on track (sort of) to loadout discussions.
|
|
Dumien
True Bro
Black Market Trader
No engrams. Only disappointment.
Posts: 3,292
|
10x10
Jan 17, 2013 19:38:15 GMT -5
Post by Dumien on Jan 17, 2013 19:38:15 GMT -5
naw bro, that wasn't even it. This was the topic in the OP.
"The goal of this thread is to either discuss your own 5-10 cohesive classes (if you are done prestiging) or to comment on any of these classes."
but its cool. I get that not everyone is near max prestige yet. I just really like the idea of comming up with a cohesive group of classes that support each other.
|
|