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Post by 42 on Nov 4, 2013 19:23:16 GMT -5
Glad to see the shotguns are terrible. I can understand why people are sad, but it's frustrating to play against a team of them.  What hahahahaha Really? I mean… shotguns aren't even that bad especially when everything kills fast at CoD. |
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 4, 2013 19:37:56 GMT -5
Glad to see the shotguns are terrible. I can understand why people are sad, but it's frustrating to play against a team of them. It's frustrating playing against SMG hispraying fuc ktards, yet you don't see me being all glad that they suck. Glad to see the shotguns are terrible. I can understand why people are sad, but it's frustrating to play against a team of them. What hahahahaha Really? I mean… shotguns aren't even that bad especially when everything kills fast at CoD. Everything kills fast except shotguns those things suck, just use an SMG. |
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 4, 2013 20:16:36 GMT -5
Glad to see the shotguns are terrible. I can understand why people are sad, but it's frustrating to play against a team of them. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh wait you're serious BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If you get killed by a shotgun, you deserved it. It's only frustrating if you can't keep them 25 feet away from you, which is easy if you have literally any gun |
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 4, 2013 22:42:07 GMT -5
Dear god look at the MSBullShit's 2HK range... I just vomited blood. When I get my own custom PC server, that will be the first gun on the ban list. And the PM9 (Oh I'm sorry CBJ-MS) is once again absolutely pointless when put up against the PP90M1 (Oh sorry again I meant Bizon). Aside from the integrated FMJ there's literally no reason to use that gun over the Bizon or any other SMG for that matter. And I cannot understand the R5 RGP. The AK-12 and CM901 both have the same RoF, max damage, and recoil. The R5's 3HK range is just a little bit longer, but it drops off to a 5HK while the AK never drops below a 4HK. To put the finishing curb stomp on the R5, it has a 24 round mag compared to the AK's 30 round mag. Typical IW balance... Uggghhhh. Developers need really need to start hiring teams solely dedicated to balance. Balance is the most important aspect of any competitive MP experience. IW sucks at it, Treyarch sucks at it, DICE sucks at it, almost all studios suck at it, and they never taken in suggestions from the community who usually have much better ideas about balance than the developers do. CBJ-MS actually has less range than the PM9 from MW3. /: Though PM9 got a range boost a few months before BO2 came out, right? Hoho, K7 is suddenly looking appealing.. Even with a silencer, it has the 3rd longest 3 hit and 4 hit kill range in its class(right behind MTARx and Vector. K7 having the lowest min damage is ridiculous though. Also... Marksmen rifles have much worse hipfire spread than LMGS now? WTH.. |
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Post by Amirror on Nov 4, 2013 23:34:36 GMT -5
Wow these shotgun ranges make the Executioner look top tier. Did they just change those ranges recently or were they been like that before?
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Post by randyrandy on Nov 4, 2013 23:40:20 GMT -5
Glad to see the shotguns are terrible. I can understand why people are sad, but it's frustrating to play against a team of them. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh wait you're serious BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If you get killed by a shotgun, you deserved it. It's only frustrating if you can't keep them 25 feet away from you, which is easy if you have literally any gunIt's probably more frustrating for me than others since I win the majority of 1v1 fights (4+ KD / 550 SPM in TDM). For the typical player, most of your fights could go either way. And just to clarify, I don't mind playing against 1 or 2 shotgunners, but when you've got a whole team of them it turns into a mess. |
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 5, 2013 0:34:50 GMT -5
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh wait you're serious BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If you get killed by a shotgun, you deserved it. It's only frustrating if you can't keep them 25 feet away from you, which is easy if you have literally any gunIt's probably more frustrating for me than others since I win the majority of 1v1 fights (4+ KD / 550 SPM in TDM). For the typical player, most of your fights could go either way. And just to clarify, I don't mind playing against 1 or 2 shotgunners, but when you've got a whole team of them it turns into a mess. A whole team of any one gun turns into a mess. That doesn't justify raping, neutering, killing and then spitting on the grave of shotguns. I'd rather risk a panic knife then use a shotgun in any situation with those terrible stats. |
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 5, 2013 1:14:40 GMT -5
My god the SC2010 has less recoil than MW2's ACR... and it shoots faster than MW3's ACR. It might require less skill to use than any gun in the history of COD.
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Post by cwatz on Nov 5, 2013 1:29:01 GMT -5
My god the SC2010 has less recoil than MW2's ACR... and it shoots faster than MW3's ACR. It might require less skill to use than any gun in the history of COD. Shorter range, and a 5 hit kill minimum. Its absolutely a noob gun, but I think this was there attempt of having the ACR to mechanically return while toning it down a little bit. |
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Post by sabre on Nov 5, 2013 2:29:20 GMT -5
A perfectly accurate laser gun takes plenty of skill to use. The skill comes from aiming first, faster, and more accurately. Having to adjust for recoil is not the only measure of skill...
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Nov 5, 2013 5:23:13 GMT -5
According the the Symthic charts, after adding muzzle-break to all shotguns, the FP6 has the best damage at all ranges, and longest range. Is is possibly better than the Tac-12?
Also how does steady aim work? Is it just a multiplier to the hipfire numbers? If so, anyone know the multiplier?
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Post by exxtrooper on Nov 5, 2013 6:23:11 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of the RPMs on this chart is wrong.
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Post by netherwind on Nov 5, 2013 7:01:51 GMT -5
My god the SC2010 has less recoil than MW2's ACR... and it shoots faster than MW3's ACR. It might require less skill to use than any gun in the history of COD. Shorter range, and a 5 hit kill minimum. Its absolutely a noob gun, but I think this was there attempt of having the ACR to mechanically return while toning it down a little bit. Agreed, TTK is not that great on this gun. |
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Post by corpsecreate on Nov 5, 2013 9:16:16 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of the RPMs on this chart is wrong. Based on what? Test it yourself and assuming you do the correct math, you will get the same numbers. |
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Post by citrus on Nov 5, 2013 10:01:20 GMT -5
Glad to see the shotguns are terrible. I can understand why people are sad, but it's frustrating to play against a team of them.  |
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Post by 42 on Nov 5, 2013 10:02:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Randy is definitely a noob
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Post by Amirror on Nov 5, 2013 13:51:59 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of the RPMs on this chart is wrong. We've gone over this a million times. Fire rates are tied to frame rate so you do not get accurate results when testing from hand. You do, however, get a good estimate as to what your practical fire rate would be, since consoles are typically capable of maintaining a constant frame rate. Was all this tested on PC or on console? |
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Post by Amirror on Nov 5, 2013 17:21:43 GMT -5
Bulldog shotgun and USR sniper Gameplay
Bulldog seems okay, just the range is horrible. But it is powerful. Looks like he has Muzzle Brake I think? and Extended Mags on it. Dunno what's on the USR. (Also gets a nuke)
Also does anyone here have gameplay footage of the .44 Magnum? Or have used it? Is it good?
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 5, 2013 17:31:46 GMT -5
I wonder, does the ammo crate replenish equipment? Might actually be the latters' only saving grace here.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 5, 2013 18:25:27 GMT -5
Bulldog shotgun and USR sniper Gameplay Bulldog seems okay, just the range is horrible. But it is powerful. Looks like he has Muzzle Brake I think? and Extended Mags on it. Dunno what's on the USR. (Also gets a nuke) Also does anyone here have gameplay footage of the .44 Magnum? Or have used it? Is it good? .44 has a very niche role. I've pretty much exclusively used it as my secondary and it's good really close but anything past shotgun range and you're SOL. Definitely not the .44 of past |
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Post by Amirror on Nov 5, 2013 19:41:39 GMT -5
Any idea how slugs on each of the shotguns perform? Are they anything at all like the BO2 KSG? Damage profile?
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Post by angrybeast96 on Nov 6, 2013 1:16:51 GMT -5
I wonder, does the ammo crate replenish equipment? Might actually be the latters' only saving grace here. No, it does not, only ammunition. |
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 6, 2013 1:45:46 GMT -5
I wonder, does the ammo crate replenish equipment? Might actually be the latters' only saving grace here. No, it does not, only ammunition. But who cares? MINIGUN |
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Nov 6, 2013 3:03:43 GMT -5
Any idea how slugs on each of the shotguns perform? Are they anything at all like the BO2 KSG? Damage profile? Was watching my mate try Slugs on FP6 with Muzzle Break, range was garbage, doesn't compare even slightly to BO2 KSG. So yeah, went to my mates to give the game a go. Quick thoughts below: -Shotguns are beyond useless. Only one I had any luck with was Bulldog with Steady Aim and Muzzle Break seeing its the most accurate setup available. Usable only at hallway ranges. Somehow got a quad with it lol. -Map design is crap. Lots of large maps which isn't bad, but they are poorly executed spawn wise. Maps tend to either have tonnes of long sightlines or are extremely cluttered with infinite blind corners and tactical loitering spots. -Spawns are rubbish, talking FFA level bad spawns but in team gamemodes. -Really bad connection issues, not sure if mates's internet or something else. I had lag spikes in 80% of games I played. -Very much a game of cat and mouse, shooting people in the back and hoping not to be shot. Head to head match-ups seemed to be total toss of the coin. |
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 6, 2013 3:19:05 GMT -5
You know I hear a lot of people complaining about lag...not seen but one bad instance. I don't know if they have dedis up, I've heard they don't, but I'm always first into the match regardless. Guess the connection gods have smiled upon me for now
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Post by quickbuck on Nov 6, 2013 4:37:19 GMT -5
I was playing with the FP6 most of last night, it's not unusable, but it really sucks...
Even with muzzle brake the range is terribad. Didn't have steady aim unlocked yet, but was using gambler, so tried it out quite a few times: even with steady aim, the spread is just too big; turns every encounter into a roll of the dice instead of a skill contest.
ADS is obviously better, but then if you ADS habitually you might as well just use an SMG, the point of a shotgun is to have the drop. And a spread of 5 is not a big enough advantage over steady aim to make it a compelling strategy anyway.
Also, I don't know how many points those dogs have, suspect they have a really small character model that pellets easily miss, but the speed dogs approach (you often only get one pump shot with them in range before they strike) it can be bloody difficult to take them out when that should be exactly the kind of situation where shotguns rule!
And with big maps and no TI, you are quite likely to get picked off long before you close. Incidentally, I noticed something that might warrant further testing: you do seem to be able to use the ammo crate as a form of limited TI. You always seem to spawn very close to your own ammo crate, so if you drop it close-ish to the enemy line, you get a head start. The downside is that is almost the only reason to choose the crate...
Back to shotguns: they also got shafted on attachments: muzzle brake is a necessity and then you have another slot that is completely wasted (on the pumps at least, presumably Bulldog might get a little benefit from grip, but pretty negligible). There is nothing else you can do but add a sight you don't need.
They should have added a 'self destruct' attachment, where, as you are being knifed by the guy who two shots didn't take down, you blow up your shotgun killing you both...
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Post by -3055- on Nov 6, 2013 8:27:06 GMT -5
Just give up.
Use mtar or honey badger.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 6, 2013 10:51:43 GMT -5
Do shotguns, particularly the Tac 12, get Extended Magazines at least?I wonder, does the ammo crate replenish equipment? Might actually be the latters' only saving grace here. No, it does not, only ammunition.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 6, 2013 11:00:09 GMT -5
Only the Tac-12 and Bulldog have extended mags options
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Post by Usagi on Nov 6, 2013 14:49:08 GMT -5
Does brokimbo affect damage and range like it did in BO2?
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