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Post by brokenpos on Nov 3, 2013 15:54:55 GMT -5
FAD having recoil, will almost negate its advantage at long range. At least its predictable though. Shoots straight up like the G36C from MW3. I'm just gonna go ahead and predict the most used weapons in each category... People want strong, low recoil, and fast rate of fire weapons. -With Smgs, Bizon/PP901 will likely reign supreme.. And I think MTARx will be the second most used and give the AR class a run for their money. -I think for ARs from the carts, its too early to say. FAD will get decent usage, though the vertical recoil will turn people off, especially for long range. Honey badger is gonna just be used like an smg and be fairly popular due. Though I honestly don't see the point of using Remington over AK12. They look like clones, but Remington has lower range. Blows my mind that IW didn' bother giving the highest damage guns longer range too, considering they have the slowest kill times. -Chain Saw is gonna be popular as hell. Looks fun as hell. M27-AIR looks like the new MK48 from BO2. Only one I don't see getting much usage is the LSAT, due to its terrible range.. Here's hoping its laser beam accurate. Instead of LSAT, they should have just gotten 3 hit kill 900 RPM LMG like the QBB LSW (from BO2). -Looking at the recoil profile of both I-A2 and M14.. They behave like clones. Ughh. IA-2 has a higher RPM/faster TTK, while M14 has a slightly longer OSOK to the head range. -Pistols:M9 and PDW will be fairly popular. Not sure how many people will like the magnum due to its low RPM. Not much I bet. -Shotties: Bull Dog and FP6 have pretty good stats, though we have no idea what their range is. -SRS: L115 will be the most popular due to its higher damage. Not sure about the semi auto SRs. I'm pretty sure the Remington and ak have a longer 3 hit kill range compared to the rest. Remington has less recoil so I guess that's its niche. All the iron sights on the assault rifles are horrible. Basically need rds to be used at their intended ranges IMO. I want to know what muzzle break does to range! Bizon with suppressor and extended mags is going to be everywhere. |
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Post by brokenpos on Nov 3, 2013 16:01:34 GMT -5
also more recoil vids (not mine btw)
rapid fire and pistols
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 3, 2013 16:08:17 GMT -5
also more recoil vids (not mine btw) rapid fire and pistols Rapid Fire looked like it barely affected the MTAR |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 3, 2013 16:17:33 GMT -5
also more recoil vids (not mine btw) rapid fire and pistols >See's M9's recoil. >Lame. >See's RF MTARXXX's recoil >FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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Post by 42 on Nov 3, 2013 16:31:34 GMT -5
MTAR confirmed best weapon.
/ghosts
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 3, 2013 16:46:32 GMT -5
really can't believe how horrible gold looks. troll camo confirmed.
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Post by brokenpos on Nov 3, 2013 17:59:53 GMT -5
Meh i don't think the mtarx is as special as most people think it is. It had pretty unpredictable recoil really. I think grip will suit it better. And wtf is that turd on the left side of the iron sights?
Vepr seems to be good too. Great iron sights. Huge mag. Predictable recoil. Gimme gimme
Uzi sucks again. It should of had integrated laser to give it a niche.
K7 seems awful.
Pistols seems balanced comparing the recoil with damage/mag size.
And gold is horrible yes.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 3, 2013 19:30:11 GMT -5
Bad iron sights, check. Lackluster gold camouflage, check. It's an IW game after all guys!  |
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Post by sabre on Nov 3, 2013 19:36:51 GMT -5
AK-12 has good irons, and doesnt really need a sight. The rest of the AR's have pretty bad irons, and the ones with clear irons still block lower view and have upwards recoil, which will result in your target being blocked by your gun. I think AK-12 will be the best AR, at least in hardcore. Remington RGP and SA805 might also be good.
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Post by sabre on Nov 3, 2013 19:37:14 GMT -5
AK-12 has good irons, and doesnt really need a sight. The rest of the AR's have pretty bad irons, and the ones with clear irons still block lower view and have upwards recoil, which will result in your target being blocked by your gun. I think AK-12 will be the best AR, at least in hardcore. Remington RGP and SA805 might also be good.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 3, 2013 21:26:15 GMT -5
It's MW3 balance all over again.
SC2010 is the new ACR 6.8. At least this time it has a low minimum damage. But then they compensated that with an extra 6 bullets per mag -.-
ARX-160 in the right hands could be extremely annoying. Above average RoF, lowered recoil for first 3 rounds, 3 shot kill up close, and for those who don't know yet, it has a built-in laser sight attachment giving it SMG hip fire spread (and you can add the steady aim perk to that...). Better have some real short range.
R5 is the new CM901, and this time it has a 5HK at long range instead of 4 like the AK-12, which has way less recoil. LOL.
Really pissed we have another Type 95 on our hands. Makes me a very sad panda. At least it seems to shoot a little slower this time around. What I'm really worried about is the MSBullShit in Full Auto. If it keeps that 55 damage in full auto, we have a huge problem...
K7 with 15 min damage, that might be lowest min damage of any primary weapon in the history of COD. Looks like a fun gun regardless.
MTARXXX is most OP gun in game.
all i can say about the Marksman Rifles is LOL.
2 shot kill pistols! NO WAYYYYYYYYY!!!! I really hope there's no full-auto attachment for the pistols... mostly because there's also an akimbo attachment, and combining the two would give me AIDS.
Game needs work. A lot of work. And knowing IW, that work will never be done.
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Post by 42 on Nov 3, 2013 21:28:56 GMT -5
It's MW3 balance all over again. K7 with 15 min damage, that might be lowest min damage of any primary weapon in the history of COD. Looks like a fun gun regardless. PPSH And the ARX is terrible. |
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Post by kylet357 on Nov 3, 2013 21:46:37 GMT -5
It's MW3 balance all over again. SC2010 is the new ACR 6.8. At least this time it has a low minimum damage. But then they compensated that with an extra 6 bullets per mag -.- ARX-160 in the right hands could be extremely annoying. Above average RoF, lowered recoil for first 3 rounds, 3 shot kill up close, and for those who don't know yet, it has a built-in laser sight attachment giving it SMG hip fire spread (and you can add the steady aim perk to that...). Better have some real short range. R5 is the new CM901, and this time it has a 5HK at long range instead of 4 like the AK-12, which has way less recoil. LOL. Really pissed we have another Type 95 on our hands. Makes me a very sad panda. At least it seems to shoot a little slower this time around. What I'm really worried about is the MSBullShit in Full Auto. If it keeps that 55 damage in full auto, we have a huge problem... K7 with 15 min damage, that might be lowest min damage of any primary weapon in the history of COD. Looks like a fun gun regardless. MTARXXX is most OP gun in game. all i can say about the Marksman Rifles is LOL. 2 shot kill pistols! NO WAYYYYYYYYY!!!! I really hope there's no full-auto attachment for the pistols... mostly because there's also an akimbo attachment, and combining the two would give me AIDS. Game needs work. A lot of work. And knowing IW, that work will never be done. It says in the description of the gun that Full-Auto decreases damage. And more than likely it'll have short range anyway. PPSh-41 in World at War had 14 minimum damage. Yes, two shot kill pistols. For which we have no idea what the ranges are. None of the pistols have any attachment like that. Don't see why they would. And what are you talking about? They actually fixed up a lot of the guns in MW3 if you don't remember. |
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Post by sabre on Nov 3, 2013 21:48:30 GMT -5
Assault Rifle Iron Sight Overall Quality:
1. Ak-12
2. FAD
Position 3-8 order doesnt really matter, as they all benefit heavily from a sight attachment.
3. Honey Badger
4. ARX 160
5. Remington R5RGP
6. SA805
7. MSBS
8. SC2010
Only the AK-12 and FAD have irons that are nearly as good as sight attachments. All the other rifles have pretty bad iron sights. Of particular note here is that although honey badger is at #3 for iron sight clarity, the gun seems to recoil side to side and the target can be easily blocked because the irons have no under visibility. This is even more true on the ARX160 iron sight, which appears to have good visibility, except that everything underneath your target is blocked by the gun model. This is compounded by the fact that the ARX160 recoils heavily upward, which will often make your target blocked by your gun model. Sights are definitely recommend for almost every assault rifle besides the AK-12 and FAD, and because of this I think they will be two of the best assault rifles. Good iron sights are like a free attachment.
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Post by kylet357 on Nov 4, 2013 1:22:19 GMT -5
also more recoil vids (not mine btw) rapid fire and pistols Out of all of those, I'd say Bizon and Vector are looking pretty good with Rapid Fire on (in terms of recoil). Has there been any confirmation on range effects for the attachment? |
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Post by -3055- on Nov 4, 2013 1:29:46 GMT -5
You guys are judging everything by recoil plots with a sample size of 1?
k.
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Post by netherwind on Nov 4, 2013 1:36:19 GMT -5
MTAR confirmed best weapon. /ghosts One of the worst iron sight ever. |
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 4, 2013 1:45:24 GMT -5
also more recoil vids (not mine btw) rapid fire and pistols Out of all of those, I'd say Bizon and Vector are looking pretty good with Rapid Fire on (in terms of recoil). Has there been any confirmation on range effects for the attachment? Vepr's recoil with rapid fire looks very controllable also. |
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Nov 4, 2013 2:10:08 GMT -5
MTAR confirmed best weapon. /ghosts One of the worst iron sight ever. Boy ye ever seen any of these:      |
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Post by angrybeast96 on Nov 4, 2013 2:27:19 GMT -5
One of the worst iron sight ever. Boy ye ever seen any of these: ...Images cut... I really loved the DP28's irons - they were clean for the most part, and they were not really super important - just slap SP and DI on that thing and anything in the general vicinity of the epic round mag is dying. The type 99 is similar - as long as you used it defensively, it's irons simply didn't matter, and gave an overall good view on target. |
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 4, 2013 3:02:09 GMT -5
You guys are judging everything by recoil plots with a sample size of 1? k. You can get a general idea if a gun kicks like a mule or not though. Any random wall test of the ACR will NEVER show huge random kicks. Any random wall test will never show the M60 firing like a laser. K? K |
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Post by dgcool on Nov 4, 2013 3:15:07 GMT -5
@forum bros and bras
Based on the recoil youtube vid, can anyone tell which has the better accuracy: the Ameli or the M27? I can't seem to make the call. Thanks.
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Post by angrybeast96 on Nov 4, 2013 3:19:29 GMT -5
Wait 24 hours. It's still too early to tell with such a small sample size
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Post by quickbuck on Nov 4, 2013 4:06:56 GMT -5
Thanks for getting the shotgun range stats up guys.
But now I'm crying:
They are all on a seven pellet kill at the range where any MW3 shotgun* with damage was not even approaching the end of 3 pellet kill!
Any word on definite hip-spread for them? They look frikkin massive, and steady aim isn't unlocked until level 38.
* excluding striker, though that is just barely edged out and fired faster than any of them with the biggest mag in history...
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Post by novaball on Nov 4, 2013 4:53:46 GMT -5
Boy ye ever seen any of these: How could you forget the PKP (and to a lesser extent the L86 from the same game)? Anyways, here's what I see from the videos (note: at time of writing, charts have some numbers that don't properly line up). -MP443 is best pistol. The P226 is a close second, and works best if you have Akimbo and keep engagements up close. The M9's recoil is too high even for the better ranged damage- it loses in all circumstances to the 443 at a distance (as the 443 won't obscure your target like the M9 will) and the 226 up close due to its longer range. On that note, the magnum is more of a wildcard- for people that can actually aim it (it seems to have purely horizontal recoil) it will be the best pistol. It even has an ACOG scope, if the report is correct- a surrogate marksman's rifle for the shotgun/SMG users? (If only the M9 had something like an RDS...) -ARX160 is the new MP7. Unless there's some recoil variance we're not seeing the gun fires 3 rounds straight and then goes straight up. Oh, and it has a laser sight. Also, it + burstfire (and to a lesser extent semi-auto) will confer that advantage any time the gun is firing. Only problem: it only shoots at 750RPM and gets wrecked by even the useless FAD/R5 at any range past the MSBS' zone. -Think the MSBS is the Type 95 reborn? Think again- now you can fire it full-automatic. (On that note, I wonder if automatic fire gives a penalty to range?) -The FAD is more of a hybrid SMG and should be used with Deadeye. Look at that max damage: it's 34. Deadeye doesn't work on guns that are doing that damage... but as soon as it drops to 33 (which is in SMG range) it will turn that gun into a 3HK for quite a ways. But, then it drops to 25 (another magic bad number). But then look at the Vector and Bizon. The Bizon's benefit runs out almost immediately, then the Vectors drops, and after that the FAD runs with the probability for quite some time. -Ameli is best LMG. Don't know why the LSAT exists- with that recoil you'd be better off using the ChainSAW because that's going to be easier to aim. -SVU with burst-fire might be powerful, if you can actually hit the second shot. Ever try to use the Dragunov with ACOG in CoD 4? Yeah- like that. (Also, I don't think the shotgun ranges in the chart are accurate- if they were the FP6 would never be a one-hit kill! Also, the MTS255 looks to be useless.) |
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Post by corpsecreate on Nov 4, 2013 4:59:43 GMT -5
the damage is per pellet for the shotguns.
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Post by exxtrooper on Nov 4, 2013 5:12:27 GMT -5
Wait MSBS burst is now 895? What happend to it being 720/920 RPM?
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Foxtrots sake.
Also is it really 2 hit kill that far seems like a lot of range.
EDIT: How does the honey badger kill in 0.1001 seconds and MSBS kill in 0.1543? The MSBS burst fires 720/920/895 (only god knows) which is faster than Ameli's 600 RPM and it still kills faster at 0.1165 seconds?
This spreadsheet is full of wat.
And has anyone been bothered to test how the MSBS perfroms full-auto, and what the semi and burst mods in general does to weapons in terms of range/damage/rpm and such, of not anything?
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Post by corpsecreate on Nov 4, 2013 5:17:19 GMT -5
Marvel4 happened  Oh and yes thats an error, thanks for spotting it! |
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Post by exxtrooper on Nov 4, 2013 5:23:15 GMT -5
Marvel4 happened Oh and yes thats an error, thanks for spotting it! I was gonna say. So the whole thing with the first shit being 720 RPM and the two others being 920 (no really bothered to explain this properly, or at all really) was a hoax then. I'm glad, having a burst with one RPM makes a lot more sense. |
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Post by corpsecreate on Nov 4, 2013 5:27:17 GMT -5
B23R had two different burst RPMs
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